How do preachers or teachers explain this?

[Godsgood]

I am not a liar, and I don't think it can be right for you to call other posters on Christian Chat liars. Just because I don't agree with your strange doctrines doesn't mean I am lying.

When the Lord Jesus called the Jews “liars,” He was not referring to their physical lives but to their spiritual condition. They insisted that they knew the one true God, but the truth was that they did not.

That is why He called them liars: they refused to accept the truth that, because they did not know the one true God, they remained spiritually blind and unable to see.
JOHN 9:40-41
40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

And the Lord Jesus confirms Ecclesiastes 1:9 and Matthew 24:35.
There are people today who insist that they know the one true God.
However, they have not been given the sight to recognize that the events described in the Old and New Testaments continue to unfold.

 

[Godsgood]

I am not a liar, and I don't think it can be right for you to call other posters on Christian Chat liars. Just because I don't agree with your strange doctrines doesn't mean I am lying.

I am not a liar, and I don't think it can be right for you to call other posters on Christian Chat liars. Just because I don't agree with your strange doctrines doesn't mean I am lying.

You don’t want to be called a liar. You say that you believe in the Lord Jesus. Yet here is a very simple command from the Lord: “Work out your own salvation,” and you cannot even do that.
Where is the faith in the Lord Jesus that you claim to have?
PHILLIPIANS 2:12
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Why don’t you just speak for yourself instead of dragging other visitors into this?
Besides, it’s just the two of us talking. Why are you suddenly involving them in our conversation?
Are you afraid to face the truth on your own, so you seek the sympathy of others just to have someone on your side?

 

[DavidLamb]

When the Lord Jesus called the Jews “liars,” He was not referring to their physical lives but to their spiritual condition. They insisted that they knew the one true God, but the truth was that they did not.

That is why He called them liars: they refused to accept the truth that, because they did not know the one true God, they remained spiritually blind and unable to see.
JOHN 9:40-41
40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

And the Lord Jesus confirms Ecclesiastes 1:9 and Matthew 24:35.
There are people today who insist that they know the one true God.
However, they have not been given the sight to recognize that the events described in the Old and New Testaments continue to unfold.

But Jesus calling people who didn't believe in Him liars is quite different from you calling other posters here on Christian Chat liars. Jesus Christ as fully God, knew men's hearts. You don't. Just because I don't agree with your very unusual interpretations of Scripture, that doesn't make me a liar.

 

[DavidLamb]

You don’t want to be called a liar. You say that you believe in the Lord Jesus. Yet here is a very simple command from the Lord: “Work out your own salvation,” and you cannot even do that.
Where is the faith in the Lord Jesus that you claim to have?
PHILLIPIANS 2:12
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Why don’t you just speak for yourself instead of dragging other visitors into this?
Besides, it’s just the two of us talking. Why are you suddenly involving them in our conversation?
Are you afraid to face the truth on your own, so you seek the sympathy of others just to have someone on your side?

It is not a matter of whether I want to be called a liar or not, but whether you can possibly know whether I tell lies or not. Give me just one example of me telling a lie. (And it is not lying to say that I don't agree with your interpretations of the Bible).

 

[Dino246]

You don’t want to be called a liar. You say that you believe in the Lord Jesus. Yet here is a very simple command from the Lord: “Work out your own salvation,” and you cannot even do that.
Where is the faith in the Lord Jesus that you claim to have?
PHILLIPIANS 2:12
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

As usual, you have grossly misunderstood the passage you quote.

It is NOT saying that we each must avoid all other people as we journey through life, and eschew the assistance of others in our walk with the Lord. NOT EVEN A LITTLE.

Further, EVEN IF you had correctly interpreted the verse (which you most certainly have not!), YOU'RE STILL WRONG because I have contributed of my own accord without David having requested my involvement. You cannot rightly hold him guilty for something he has not done. So your accusation that he is a liar on this basis is empty, false, and stupid.

Why don’t you just speak for yourself instead of dragging other visitors into this?
Besides, it’s just the two of us talking. Why are you suddenly involving them in our conversation?
Are you afraid to face the truth on your own, so you seek the sympathy of others just to have someone on your side?

I have been responding to your ignorant drivel since you first joined this site, long before David did.

He has not requested my involvement at all. I first commented at the top of page 2. Stop making ridiculous false accusations.

Further, it's NOT just the two of you talking here. This is a DISCUSSION FORUM open to all members of the site. Deal with it.

 

[decipher]

JOHN 14:12
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

John 14: 10-11 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you, I speak not of myself; but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Our reality is in the mind of the Almighty God, the Father. He is called the Father because he fathers realities. That is how He has all those qualities and powers. In a vacuum with nothing in it and nothing happening, time does not exist. In our reality time began when He placed a living being in it and calls him His Son. According to Isaiah 63: 9-10, the Holy Spirit is the "angel of His presence". Where the Holy Spirit is, the Father is. The Father's glory is His Holy Spirit. Through the Holy Spirit, the Father is able to interact in our reality through the being that He indwells with His Holy Spirit. He fills His Son with His Holy Spirit, and the Son is full of the Father's mind and power. The Son loves the Father and shows his love by obedience. That is why the Son is the image of the invisible God, the Father, sits on His right hand, and is "one" with the Father. The Father loves the Son and shows His love by creating our reality with His mind and power through the Son which He indwells and for His Son.
John 14: 18 I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you.
When Jesus went back to the Father after he lived, died, and rose again, he went back to get glorified. That means that he was given the same Glory that he had before the world was. He was given a spiritual body made up of those souls that he baptized with his Holy Spirit. The Son was then able to enter the beings he baptizes with the Holy Spirit, and when the Son enters, so does the Father who is in him. Just like Jesus spoke the words of the Father and was able to do the works of the Father because the Father was in him. We who have the Son in us will speak the words and thoughts of Christ and do his works. Jesus was going to come back when he sent the comforter and through the Comforter (the Holy Spirit). Read all of John 14.

 

[Godsgood]

It is not a matter of whether I want to be called a liar or not, but whether you can possibly know whether I tell lies or not. Give me just one example of me telling a lie. (And it is not lying to say that I don't agree with your interpretations of the Bible).

In physical life, you may be honest and may not tell lies. However, in spiritual life, simply claiming that you know the only true God, while being unable to identify who that one true God is, is already enough to show that you are not telling the truth.

 

[DavidLamb]

In physical life, you may be honest and may not tell lies. However, in spiritual life, simply claiming that you know the only true God, while being unable to identify who that one true God is, is already enough to show that you are not telling the truth.

What do you mean by saying I do not know Who the one true God is? I do know Who He is, the One true God described in the Bible. The One Who created and sustains everything that exists. The One Who is perfectly holy and cannot look upon sin, yet Who in His grace and mercy sent His Son into the world to save sinners. So please stop accusing me of lying.

 

[Godsgood]

But Jesus calling people who didn't believe in Him liars is quite different from you calling other posters here on Christian Chat liars. Jesus Christ as fully God, knew men's hearts. You don't. Just because I don't agree with your very unusual interpretations of Scripture, that doesn't make me a liar.

I am only sharing what I believe to be the truth found in the Word of God. If what I am sharing is not according to the truth, I know that God will intervene and make it known.

And I have never thought that you are a liar simply because you do not believe what I am sharing. I am not forcing you to believe what I share. Since you do not believe it, my understanding is simply that you are not among the lost sheep whom God is seeking.

 

[Godsgood]

What do you mean by saying I do not know Who the one true God is? I do know Who He is, the One true God described in the Bible. The One Who created and sustains everything that exists. The One Who is perfectly holy and cannot look upon sin, yet Who in His grace and mercy sent His Son into the world to save sinners. So please stop accusing me of lying.

Not knowing what the one true God is capable of doing means that you do not truly know Him. If you know Him, the question is: Who is He? Can you identify him?

 

[DavidLamb]

I am only sharing what I believe to be the truth found in the Word of God. If what I am sharing is not according to the truth, I know that God will intervene and make it known.

And I have never thought that you are a liar simply because you do not believe what I am sharing. I am not forcing you to believe what I share. Since you do not believe it, my understanding is simply that you are not among the lost sheep whom God is seeking.

So what lies were you accusing me of telling?

And I thank God that I am not a lost sheep, but a found sheep. Found by my glorious Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Godsgood]

But Jesus calling people who didn't believe in Him liars is quite different from you calling other posters here on Christian Chat liars. Jesus Christ as fully God, knew men's hearts. You don't. Just because I don't agree with your very unusual interpretations of Scripture, that doesn't make me a liar.

Read carefully why the Lord Jesus called them liars. It was not because they did not believe in Him. Rather, they claimed that they knew the one true God, when in reality, they did not.
JOHN 8:54-55
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

 

[DavidLamb]

Not knowing what the one true God is capable of doing means that you do not truly know Him. If you know Him, the question is: Who is He? Can you identify him?

But you are making an assumption there. I do know, because the Bible tells me so, that God is able to do everything that He wills to do. In Isaiah, we read these words of God:

NKJV Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me,
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, 'My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,'
Isa 46:11 Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man who executes My counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it; I will also do it.

So the one true God is the One of Whom we read in those verses in Isaiah 46.

 

[OMC]

Not knowing what the one true God is capable of doing means that you do not truly know Him. If you know Him, the question is: Who is He? Can you identify him?

Saying “you don’t truly know God unless you know what He is capable of doing” reverses the biblical order, because Scripture never defines knowing God as mastering His capabilities but as recognizing who He is—His identity, His nature, His character—and responding to Him accordingly;
Jesus says eternal life is knowing the Father and the Son (John 17:3), not cataloging divine abilities, and God identifies Himself not by listing powers but by revealing His name, His holiness, His righteousness, His mercy, and His covenant faithfulness (Exod 34:6–7);
The prophets repeatedly anchor true knowledge of God in His revealed character (“I am the LORD who practices steadfast love, justice, and righteousness,” Jer 9:24), and the apostles do the same (“God is light… God is love… God cannot lie,” 1 John 1:5; 4:8; Titus 1:2);
So the real biblical question is not “Can you list everything God is capable of?” but “Do you know the God who has revealed Himself in Scripture?”—the Creator, the Holy One of Israel, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the One who is righteous, merciful, unchanging, and sovereign

 

[DavidLamb]

Read carefully why the Lord Jesus called them liars. It was not because they did not believe in Him. Rather, they claimed that they knew the one true God, when in reality, they did not.
JOHN 8:54-55
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

True, but it is only you who says that I claim to know the one true God, but in reality I don't. You don't know me, and have never ever met me. Christians who do know me don't accuse me of only claiming to know God. I would not have been accepted int membership of my church if they did.

 

[Godsgood]

So what lies were you accusing me of telling?

And I thank God that I am not a lost sheep, but a found sheep. Found by my glorious Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.

If you are truly a found sheep, then I hope you already know the one true God and are sharing with others who the one true God is. Yet, until now, you still cannot say who the one true God is.

Can you identify Him?

 

[Godsgood]

True, but it is only you who says that I claim to know the one true God, but in reality I don't. You don't know me, and have never ever met me. Christians who do know me don't accuse me of only claiming to know God. I would not have been accepted int membership of my church if they did.

I just want to clarify whether I understand you correctly. Are you saying that you do not know the one true God?

 

[DavidLamb]

If you are truly a found sheep, then I hope you already know the one true God and are sharing with others who the one true God is. Yet, until now, you still cannot say who the one true God is.

Can you identify Him?

I already have identified Him as the God spoken of in the Bible, the Creator and sustainer of all things. What further identification are you requesting?

 

[DavidLamb]

I just want to clarify whether I understand you correctly. Are you saying that you do not know the one true God?

I am saying quite the opposite, that I do know Him.

 

[Dino246]

In physical life, you may be honest and may not tell lies. However, in spiritual life, simply claiming that you know the only true God, while being unable to identify who that one true God is, is already enough to show that you are not telling the truth.

Being unwilling to play your silly made-up game about your silly made-up identification of Jesus is NOT being unable to identify who God is. You just will not accept that people who call you "Wrong" know the Lord better than you do. As for your reasoning, it is deeply flawed. I suspect you couldn't form a valid, sound, and coherent cause-and-effect argument if you tried.