The term fits what the ear tickling preachers are teaching
Claiming Christians can live in sin and will still be saved in false doctrine.
You should stop advocating for this fake gospel they call once saved always saved, aka eternal security
Shall we sin that grace may abound?
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The term fits what the ear tickling preachers are teaching
Claiming Christians can live in sin and will still be saved in false doctrine.
You should stop advocating for this fake gospel they call once saved always saved, aka eternal security
Actually that would better define a person in rebellion and acting out against other believers and trying to pretend that Jesus saved them from sin, which no doubt they do every day, but He does not save others. He has posted scripture, which you ignore and that is very obvious. No doubt you must think some of us cannot read.
I plainly said that your words are false. YOUR words against others are false.
It will also end badly for those who judge others unrighteously and try to make it seem they are going to hell. There is no such thing as a fake Christian. You either are a Christian or you are not. There is such a thing as fake love for others though and that will also end badly.
Oh there's no doubt some of you can read - It's just that some of you refuse to read, accept, and believe all the Lord teaches in His Word. I think the term commonly used for this is being a cherry picker.
Thanks so much for sharing your opinion.
That's not what Jesus said
Matthew 13:36-43
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
The word backsliding (verb) or backslider (noun) is not used in the New Testament. God uses the word through His prophets
in the Old Testament. The new and the old testaments are two different ways that God has enacted with those He wishs to
have a relationship with.
In the Old Testament, people were not sealed with the Holy Spirit or filled as the New Testament informs as believers in Christ are
ever since Christ died, rose again and lives forevermore. There is no bargain there. There is no deal and no deal-breaker.
For anyone claiming they do not sin, the Apostle John has this to say to you:
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. I John 1:8
John indicates that if a person actually denies Christ, they were not ever an actual believer to begin with. He further states that people of that group have the antichrist spirit. They wish to have positions and teach but they depart from the gospel and introduce heretical teachings and eventually they leave actual believers. That is all in scripture.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. I John 2:19
There is no human perfection. No one can truthfully sat they no longer sin See above (I John 1:8)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. I John 1: 9-10
in the Old Testament. The new and the old testaments are two different ways that God has enacted with those He wishs to
have a relationship with.
In the Old Testament, people were not sealed with the Holy Spirit or filled as the New Testament informs as believers in Christ are
ever since Christ died, rose again and lives forevermore. There is no bargain there. There is no deal and no deal-breaker.
For anyone claiming they do not sin, the Apostle John has this to say to you:
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. I John 1:8
John indicates that if a person actually denies Christ, they were not ever an actual believer to begin with. He further states that people of that group have the antichrist spirit. They wish to have positions and teach but they depart from the gospel and introduce heretical teachings and eventually they leave actual believers. That is all in scripture.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. I John 2:19
There is no human perfection. No one can truthfully sat they no longer sin See above (I John 1:8)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. I John 1: 9-10
Yes, someone believes.. in the Lord Jesus and they have eternal life. Eternal life. Not temporary, not a maybe. Definitely.
Show the post where I said what you claim above. If you cannot find it, then stop your false accusations. Telling falsehoods about others is called bearing false witness in the Bible and you are doing that over and over and over in this thread and others you
inflict with your posts.
Did you miss what I posted about what the Apostle John said/taught ? Pst 65. Does that sound like an actual believer thinks you can just keep sinning?
You are on spin cycle and making yourself dizzy.
If it possible for a believer to fall into unbelief, that doesn't mean i'm saying they SHOULD go wayward. Again, they would usually come out of continuing sin due to the Holy Spirit working on them. There will be fruit from a person being born again.
This is not saying 'go and do whatever you want'.
This is not saying 'go and do whatever you want'.
Precious friend, if so, then why do you not understand The Plain And Clear Teachings of
The Holy Spirit about God's Eternal Salvation, Under "The Revelation Of The Mystery" and
God's Pure Grace?:
"For all have sinned, and come short of The Glory of God; Being Justified
Freely By His Grace Through The Redemption that is In Christ Jesus:"
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An Unfaithful saint Example...:
"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that
the spirit may Be Saved In The [ Judgment ] Day of the Lord Jesus.”
...and Christ Denying [ wood, hay, stubble (co-laborer) works which lose ] rewards At,
Judgment, But Not God's Eternal Salvation [ prayerful / Careful re-review post # 28 ] !:
Hopefully praying someone will understand, eh?
Grace, Peace, Mercy And Love
Amen.
Yeah, so many don't get that grace, assurance and security gives confidence to be faithful back to Jesus, the Freedom Giver!
I feel that the word backsliding is only from the perpective of where they only seemed to be from.
Man calls renigning on ones repentance 'backsliding'.
God calls it the true manifestaion of a man's state.
So what ?
Th only works Paul ever wrote against were the works of the Law.
That is the unfied stance of those who don't want to obey God.
Having been reborn of God's seed, nothing gives me more pleasure that doing His will.
It is simply my newnature !
If anything, it is the manifestation of whom I have been regenerated.
I have read it: what do you have in mind ?
Perhaps Gal 2:16..."Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
Or perhaps something from Gal 5:19-21..."Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
I have not sinned since my repetance from sin/conversion.
My salvatuion will only occur if my name is still in th book of life on the last day's judgement
Are you really going to say that the disobedient will be saved ?
Through Christ, God gave us the gifts of repentance from sin and baptism in the ame of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
He gave us the ways and means to destoy the old man of the "flesh", so we can walk thereafter in the Spirit.
And He gave us is word, and prayer, and fellowship, and the gift of the Holy Ghost to keep us on track.
I'll let Jesus answer that one..."Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matt7:21-23)