Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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You foolishly think that the miracle of the clothing is limited in scope and meaning to merely what your unschooled novice mind can conjure? And you actually thought that the manna was nothing more than a free lunch? Go ahead. Say so. I dare you.

Jhn 6:31 - Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Jhn 6:32 - Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
The attitude in that statement — “you foolishly think… your unschooled novice mind… I dare you” — is exactly the kind of speech Scripture repeatedly warns against, because it replaces correction with contempt, and contempt is never a fruit of the Spirit. Scripture says: “Let your speech be always with grace.” The manna typology Jesus gives in John 6 is true — but using it as a platform to belittle someone’s understanding is not. Biblical truth is never defended by derision; it is defended by the Word, spoken in a manner that reflects the One who gave it.
The difference between your sarcasm and mine is , Scripture forbids contempt, not clarity with edge.
What you quoted — “unschooled novice mind,” “foolishly think,” “I dare you” — is reviling, and the Bible names reviling as sin (1 Cor 5:11).
It’s speech meant to degrade the person.
By contrast, when I use sharp language, it is aimed at the argument, not the person, and Scripture actually models that distinction: Elijah mocks idolatry, not the people (1 Kings 18:27); Jesus uses cutting words against hypocrisy, not honest seekers (Matt 23); Paul uses rhetorical sting to expose false logic, not to belittle brethren (Gal 3:1).
The line is clear: Scripture permits strong correction, but it forbids insulting speech.
So if my tone ever crosses into contempt, it must be corrected; but when it stays in the realm of argument‑pressure, Scripture allows it. The attitude you quoted crosses the biblical line because it attacks the person, not the claim. That said,
Nothing in your reply actually overturns the point: manna has a Christ‑typology because Jesus Himself establishes it (John 6:31–32), but the clothing miracle does not, because Scripture never builds a resurrection pattern out of garments that don’t wear out.
The manna typology works because the text gives you a direct Christ‑referent; the clothing miracle is a covenant‑preservation sign — God sustaining Israel in transit — not a resurrection preview.
And the “covering = spirit‑life” idea still conflicts with Paul’s anthropology, because he teaches the body itself will be redeemed and glorified (Rom 8:23), not replaced by a non‑physical covering.
So yes, manna points to Christ because Jesus says so; clothing points to God’s faithfulness because the text says so; and resurrection glory is defined by incorruptible embodiment (1 Cor 15), not wilderness fabric durability.
 
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The “three‑year pattern” you’re pointing to is real in Scripture — Paul’s Arabia period (Gal 1:17–18), the apostles’ roughly three years with Christ, and the lifelong study of Jewish sages — but none of those examples function as normative requirements for spiritual maturity; they’re descriptions of how God trained specific men for specific callings, not universal timelines binding the church.
Yes, they DO in fact set a precedent and pattern. That's why those entries exist to begin with.

In fact a time of training, trials and testing is entirely biblical. And well represented in both the OT and NT.

BTW, Paul spent his entire adult life in Bible study before conversion. Did you think that all of that training was irrelevant to his ministry? And did you think that it was meaningless to Christ when He chose Paul?

And Moses was literally in training for DECADES before his ministry.

And please tell me of ANY first rank Bible scholar of the Church age that got that way by being thunderstruck by Christ and reached that level instantly.

Oh I'm sure Chris Jesus is perfect capable of more than we can imagine and not limited by ways and means. BUT, it is evident that Christ has not chosen this method.
 
Yes, they DO in fact set a precedent and pattern. That's why those entries exist to begin with.

In fact a time of training, trials and testing is entirely biblical. And well represented in both the OT and NT.

BTW, Paul spent his entire adult life in Bible study before conversion. Did you think that all of that training was irrelevant to his ministry? And did you think that it was meaningless to Christ when He chose Paul?

And Moses was literally in training for DECADES before his ministry.

And please tell me of ANY first rank Bible scholar of the Church age that got that way by being thunderstruck by Christ and reached that level instantly.

Oh I'm sure Chris Jesus is perfect capable of more than we can imagine and not limited by ways and means. BUT, it is evident that Christ has not chosen this method.
Do you know how long I’ve trained? You talk as if I just picked this up yesterday. If that’s the case, then why haven’t you disproven anything I’ve said? Whenever someone points out flaws in your system and the lack of evidence to back it up, all they get are belittling personal jabs, which I’ve already shown are not in line with the fruit of the Spirit. And not only did you not respond to that but now you attack my years of training as though you were there. That's a lie and also not fruit of the spirit.
 
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Good morning friend😊
Dispensationalism is not the cause of blindness, rather it is already blind.
Scripture never says tyrants deceive “through Israel,”
never says supporting Israel equals supporting killing,
never says the Antichrist is blocked by a failed rapture,
never says modern geopolitics determines eschatology, and
never says loyalty to any nation sears the conscience.

What Scripture does say is simple:
many antichrists already exist (1 John 2:18),
deception comes from false teachers inside the church (Acts 20:29–30),
the man of lawlessness is future and destroyed by Christ’s appearing (2 Thess 2:8),
and the conscience is seared by departing from the faith through “teachings of demons” (1 Tim 4:1–2), not by political sympathies.

The command to “bless Israel” in Genesis 12:3 is about God’s covenant promise, not modern statecraft, and the NT applies blessing to faith‑Israel (Gal 3:7–9), not geopolitical allegiance. Your critique is replacing Scripture’s concrete eschatology with sociopolitical suspicion and turning warnings meant to guard believers into accusations meant to divide them.

Your morning is evening where I live.
I do not mind discussing these points with you, as I think I have seen some evidence that you care about truth.

Natural laws of social justice are absolutely a Biblical matter (Romans 2:14), and should guide our discernment (the fruits of the Spirit).

Following Jesus as I understand it is not a quest for unity at all costs.
Our desire for God is also a desire for justice that only God can satisfy, and I consider dispensationalist doctrine to be both false and evil in nature.
I also believe that dispensationalism was created to raise support for an evil geopolitical cause.

There is no command to "bless Israel" in Genesis 12:3, but a promise from God to bless the friends of the man Abram.
God never curses Abram, but to the children of Israel He both blesses and curses them many times.
In any case old covenant Israel was of God, and represents neither the religions of the pharisees or of the modern Israel administration.

The fact that you brought that matter up reinforces to me the religious nature of modern Israel support from Christians, although I am persuaded that geopolitical loyalties most certainly CAN seer the conscience, so long as those loyalties are given to those that do evil.
Geopolitical Jerusalem under the Pharisees was associated with "bondage" to curses of the law (Galatians 4:24), and dispensationalists predict a future return of temple sacrifice in modern Jerusalem, diminishing the work of Christ.
Supporting Israel = supporting killing if Israel is killing, and to those that believe that the future Antichrist will be ushered in by Israel it also = ushering in the future Antichrist.

On the subject of the man of sin in 2Thessalonians 2 I think that the character in Revelation that most closely matches his description is the beast that comes out of the earth in Revelation 13:11.
This beast sits in the temple and performs literal miracles, though he is two persons (2 horns), and has a first century fulfillment in the two last high priests of Jerusalem.
The legacy of this false prophet still continues to this day, and tyranny continues to rely on the support of idolatry, as people are religious in nature.
I can not prove Biblically that Satan will not use a one man world ruler in the final "Gog/Magog" war, but it is also Biblically possible that he will do it in a different way.
 
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Do you know how long I’ve trained? You talk as if I just picked this up yesterday. If that’s the case, then why haven’t you disproven anything I’ve said? Whenever someone points out flaws in your system and the lack of evidence to back it up, all they get are belittling personal jabs, which I’ve already shown are not in line with the fruit of the Spirit. And not only did you not respond to that but now you attack my years of training as though you were there. That's a lie and also not fruit of the spirit.
Friend, you are going to have to eat some humble pie and realize that the Chronisters and Fruchtenbaums of this world are leagues beyond your status.

You are bush league and that's a fact.
I have recognized this from the beginning.

Do I agree with everything Chronister and Fruchtenbaum opine? No. No I definitely do not.

But they are IMO spot on maybe 90% of the time. And at the macro-scale, they are in very close alignment to each other and myself.

Sorry fake sorry. And if you feel the need to churn out some kind of AI generated protest, go right ahead. It won't make a bit of difference.
 
Friend, you are going to have to eat some humble pie and realize that the Chronisters and Fruchtenbaums of this world are leagues beyond your status.

You are bush league and that's a fact.
I have recognized this from the beginning.

Do I agree with everything Chronister and Fruchtenbaum opine? No. No I definitely do not.

But they are IMO spot on maybe 90% of the time. And at the macro-scale, they are in very close alignment to each other and myself.

Sorry fake sorry. And if you feel the need to churn out some kind of AI generated protest, go right ahead. It won't make a bit of difference.
"I’ve given my warnings. If your tone stays contemptuous, I’m stepping back until we can speak in a way that honors Christ."
 
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You foolishly think that the miracle of the clothing is limited in scope and meaning to merely what your unschooled novice mind can conjure? And you actually thought that the manna was nothing more than a free lunch? Go ahead. Say so. I dare you.

Jhn 6:31 - Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Jhn 6:32 - Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Jhn 6:32 - Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

exactly, accept Jesus and you will be saved.
 
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"I’ve given my warnings. If your tone stays contemptuous, I’m stepping back until we can speak in a way that honors Christ."
If your definition of "honoring Christ" is agreeing with evey hack who thinks that he is a legit Bible scholar, I'm afraid that I cannot oblige.

Did you get a chance to spend a wee little 60 minutes to audition that Chronister lecture? It's probably a good idea. Ok it's a great idea.
 
Don't worry, he will use His rod of iron when the right time comes, 2Peter 3.
Jhn 6:32 - Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

exactly, accept Jesus and you will be saved.
Amen

moses in the ot pattern

“Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭16:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus nt reality

“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses in the ot pattern

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭21:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

note it’s for those who’ve been bitten by the serpents and would die.

Jesus nt reality

“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,

even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I’m sure you’ve seen many many examples of this when comparing nt and old
 
Your morning is evening where I live.
I do not mind discussing these points with you, as I think I have seen some evidence that you care about truth.

Natural laws of social justice are absolutely a Biblical matter (Romans 2:14), and should guide our discernment (the fruits of the Spirit).

Following Jesus as I understand it is not a quest for unity at all costs.
Our desire for God is also a desire for justice that only God can satisfy, and I consider dispensationalist doctrine to be both false and evil in nature.
I also believe that dispensationalism was created to raise support for an evil geopolitical cause.

There is no command to "bless Israel" in Genesis 12:3, but a promise from God to bless the friends of the man Abram.
God never curses Abram, but to the children of Israel He both blesses and curses them many times.
In any case old covenant Israel was of God, and represents neither the religions of the pharisees or of the modern Israel administration.

The fact that you brought that matter up reinforces to me the religious nature of modern Israel support from Christians, although I am persuaded that geopolitical loyalties most certainly CAN seer the conscience, so long as those loyalties are given to those that do evil.
Geopolitical Jerusalem under the Pharisees was associated with "bondage" to curses of the law (Galatians 4:24), and dispensationalists predict a future return of temple sacrifice in modern Jerusalem, diminishing the work of Christ.
Supporting Israel = supporting killing if Israel is killing, and to those that believe that the future Antichrist will be ushered in by Israel it also = ushering in the future Antichrist.

On the subject of the man of sin in 2Thessalonians 2 I think that the character in Revelation that most closely matches his description is the beast that comes out of the earth in Revelation 13:11.
This beast sits in the temple and performs literal miracles, though he is two persons (2 horns), and has a first century fulfillment in the two last high priests of Jerusalem.
The legacy of this false prophet still continues to this day, and tyranny continues to rely on the support of idolatry, as people are religious in nature.
I can not prove Biblically that Satan will not use a one man world ruler in the final "Gog/Magog" war, but it is also Biblically possible that he will do it in a different way.
That’s really thorough and well said
 
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Amen

moses in the ot pattern

“Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭16:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus nt reality

“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses in the ot pattern

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭21:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

note it’s for those who’ve been bitten by the serpents and would die.

Jesus nt reality

“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,

even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I’m sure you’ve seen many many examples of this when comparing nt and old
Exactly, ot is the shadow, nt is the real deal. Jesus the fulfillment.
So in ot the Israelite were also kind of the shadow, in nt, the real deal is follow Jesus, a cut in the heart .
 
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Your morning is evening where I live.
I do not mind discussing these points with you, as I think I have seen some evidence that you care about truth.

Natural laws of social justice are absolutely a Biblical matter (Romans 2:14), and should guide our discernment (the fruits of the Spirit).

Following Jesus as I understand it is not a quest for unity at all costs.
Our desire for God is also a desire for justice that only God can satisfy, and I consider dispensationalist doctrine to be both false and evil in nature.
I also believe that dispensationalism was created to raise support for an evil geopolitical cause.

There is no command to "bless Israel" in Genesis 12:3, but a promise from God to bless the friends of the man Abram.
God never curses Abram, but to the children of Israel He both blesses and curses them many times.
In any case old covenant Israel was of God, and represents neither the religions of the pharisees or of the modern Israel administration.

The fact that you brought that matter up reinforces to me the religious nature of modern Israel support from Christians, although I am persuaded that geopolitical loyalties most certainly CAN seer the conscience, so long as those loyalties are given to those that do evil.
Geopolitical Jerusalem under the Pharisees was associated with "bondage" to curses of the law (Galatians 4:24), and dispensationalists predict a future return of temple sacrifice in modern Jerusalem, diminishing the work of Christ.
Supporting Israel = supporting killing if Israel is killing, and to those that believe that the future Antichrist will be ushered in by Israel it also = ushering in the future Antichrist.

On the subject of the man of sin in 2Thessalonians 2 I think that the character in Revelation that most closely matches his description is the beast that comes out of the earth in Revelation 13:11.
This beast sits in the temple and performs literal miracles, though he is two persons (2 horns), and has a first century fulfillment in the two last high priests of Jerusalem.
The legacy of this false prophet still continues to this day, and tyranny continues to rely on the support of idolatry, as people are religious in nature.
I can not prove Biblically that Satan will not use a one man world ruler in the final "Gog/Magog" war, but it is also Biblically possible that he will do it in a different way.
Friend, your entire reply shifts the category again:
Scripture never defines justice by natural law instincts, never defines false doctrine by geopolitical loyalties, never defines eschatology by historical suspicions, and never defines the man of lawlessness by Revelation’s second beast; those are interpretive overlays, not textual anchors.
Romans 2:14 does not teach “natural laws of social justice,” it teaches Gentiles sometimes do what the law requires by nature, proving the law is written on the heart — but Paul immediately says that same conscience can accuse or excuse, meaning it is not a reliable eschatological or doctrinal guide.
Your claim that dispensationalism is “evil” because it allegedly serves a geopolitical cause is not a biblical argument;
Scripture never ties doctrinal error to political outcomes, only to departing from the faith (1 Tim 4:1), rejecting sound doctrine (2 Tim 4:3), and refusing the truth (2 Thess 2:10).
Genesis 12:3 is not a command but a promise — correct — but Paul explicitly applies that promise to believers (Gal 3:7–9), not to any modern nation, which means your critique of political misuse is valid ethically but irrelevant exegetically.
Galatians 4:24 does not say “Jerusalem is bondage because of geopolitics”; it says the old covenant produces bondage, and the earthly Jerusalem of Paul’s day represented that covenant — not a future eschatological state.
Your reading of Revelation 13:11 as the man of sin fails because Paul’s man of lawlessness is one figure, destroyed by Christ’s appearing (2 Thess 2:8), while Revelation’s second beast is not destroyed at Christ’s appearing but thrown alive into the lake of fire with the first beast (Rev 19:20).
The “two horns” cannot be “two high priests” because the beast exercises global deceptive authority (Rev 13:14), not local temple authority, and performs signs “in the presence of the first beast,” not in the temple.
You’re right that tyranny uses idolatry; Scripture says the same (Rev 13:4). But your framework keeps replacing biblical categories with historical analogies: conscience becomes geopolitics, false prophets become political actors, the man of sin becomes priestly corruption, and eschatology becomes sociological pattern recognition.
The text itself is simpler: deception comes from inside the church (Acts 20:29–30), antichrists are present now (1 John 2:18), the man of lawlessness is future and destroyed by Christ (2 Thess 2:8), and Revelation’s beasts are eschatological symbols, not first‑century priests.
 
Your claim that dispensationalism is “evil” because it allegedly serves a geopolitical cause is not a biblical argument;

Indeed because there is no biblical argument for dispensationalism, that is the point.
 
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Well, I know that the wise shall understand, but none of the wicked will understand.
BTW, the wicked are wicked on purpose with purpose.

The Nations Will Be Judged​

1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat

Judah Will Be Blessed​

18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.
19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.
20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.
21 For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion.

, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;
5 Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things:
6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.
7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:
8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it.
9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.
14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
17 So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.


We were discussing Jeremiah 30, but you have you switched over to Joel 3 to "prove" that Jeremiah 30 is not about the Babylon times?

Joel does not name any kings in his book, and they say it is hard to date.
I hope that is not what you like about this book, because there is good evidence that it is 9th Century BC, which you are welcome to read:

A bit funny the way you highlighted the word "again" in v.1.
Is that because you think we forgot that God brought them out of Egypt?

Perhaps you also think Israel and Judah will be separate tribes in the future.
The modern Israelis apparently will be sold into slavery and Gentiles will cast lots for them, using their children as prostitutes.
The people of Tyre and Sidon (southern Lebanon) will steal God's silver and gold in the future.
Judah and Jerusalem will also sell their children to the Grecians to remove them far from the border.
The modern Israelis will be beating their plowshares into swords (v.10) in order to fight the Gentiles?

Well sure, anything can happen in the future, but a person who cares for the truth would at least acknowledge that these events belong to the Babylon captivity.

There is also a story about restoration in the chapter.
It includes spiritual restoration, so it is not 1948.
God blesses and provides for the restored nation, and miraculously overthrows the nations that come against her, exalting Judah in battle.
If you don't believe me on that, read Zechariah 12, which deals with the same events at the same time.

V.20 is interesting because it pronounces an eternal blessing on Judah, the tribe of Jesus, while Jerusalem will dwell "from generation to generation".
 
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We were discussing Jeremiah 30, but you have you switched over to Joel 3 to "prove" that Jeremiah 30 is not about the Babylon times?

Joel does not name any kings in his book, and they say it is hard to date.
I hope that is not what you like about this book, because there is good evidence that it is 9th Century BC, which you are welcome to read:

A bit funny the way you highlighted the word "again" in v.1.
Is that because you think we forgot that God brought them out of Egypt?

Perhaps you also think Israel and Judah will be separate tribes in the future.
The modern Israelis apparently will be sold into slavery and Gentiles will cast lots for them, using their children as prostitutes.
The people of Tyre and Sidon (southern Lebanon) will steal God's silver and gold in the future.
Judah and Jerusalem will also sell their children to the Grecians to remove them far from the border.
The modern Israelis will be beating their plowshares into swords (v.10) in order to fight the Gentiles?

Well sure, anything can happen in the future, but a person who cares for the truth would at least acknowledge that these events belong to the Babylon captivity.

There is also a story about restoration in the chapter.
It includes spiritual restoration, so it is not 1948.
God blesses and provides for the restored nation, and miraculously overthrows the nations that come against her, exalting Judah in battle.
If you don't believe me on that, read Zechariah 12, which deals with the same events at the same time.

V.20 is interesting because it pronounces an eternal blessing on Judah, the tribe of Jesus, while Jerusalem will dwell "from generation to generation".
Oh but truly I have already guessed correctly that you do not perceive the obvious connections between Jeremiah and Joel.

Pity that.....🥲
 
Indeed because there is no biblical argument for dispensationalism, that is the point.
I don't see how sour grapes will prevent either the harpazo OR the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel.

No doubt the tearful and dreadful diatribes issued by those who are contrary will continue unabated to the bitter end, though.

However this end (of the Church Age) will certainly not be bitter for those who believe the promise of Christ. Their rapture is sealed, sovereign, and beyond dispute.