How do we testify to this word of the Lord?

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And Jesus said in His high priestly prayer to His heavenly Father in John 17:17, "Your word is truth."
The spiritual message of God in His words is what is called the truth, not their literal, physical meaning.
JOHN 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 
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I don't know how you came up with your interpretation of scripture. It is bordering on the absurd.
It is not surprising that you are laughing. This is proof of what the Lord Jesus said in Ecclesiastes 1:9 that what has happened before continues to happen. And in Matthew 24:36, the word of God never passes away.
For when the Lord Jesus shared the truth with the Jews, they also mocked and laughed at Him.
MARK 5:40
40 And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying.
 
The spiritual message of God in His words is what is called the truth, not their literal, physical meaning.
JOHN 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Some of the things we read in the Bible relate to the physical, as when Jesus told His disciples to gather up the fragments of bread and fish. Others are spiritual, as when Paul wrote to the Ephesians that they had been saved by grace, not works. But all of God's word isa truth.
 
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Well, if you really don't know, I suggest you read the Bible, not just a quarter of it. You won't find Arianism, etc. taught there.
Perhaps you still do not understand what I mean. Reading the entire Bible is not, by itself, a sufficient basis for knowing the truth. The Bible scholars who hold the four different views concerning the identity of the Lord Jesus did not merely read the Bible from beginning to end; they also studied it for five to ten years. Therefore, each of their beliefs concerning the identity of Jesus is based on something they believe is written in the Bible, and they did not simply invent their beliefs, as you seem to think about the Trinity.

Why is it that you have already read the entire Bible, yet you have not studied the different understandings that these scholars have concerning the identity of Jesus? If you say that Arianism is not found in the Bible, and if we also include the Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrine and the Oneness doctrine, they would say the same thing to you, that the Trinity you believe in is not found in the Bible either.

Can you show them the actual word “Trinity” in the Bible that you believe in?

If all of you were to face one another in a debate, each side would claim that its own belief represents the truth. That is where the endless debate begins over which of you is actually correct.

So let me complete my question so that you can understand exactly what I mean:

If each of you claims that your own belief is the truth, then whom should we ask to determine and reveal what the truth actually is?
 
Perhaps you still do not understand what I mean. Reading the entire Bible is not, by itself, a sufficient basis for knowing the truth. The Bible scholars who hold the four different views concerning the identity of the Lord Jesus did not merely read the Bible from beginning to end; they also studied it for five to ten years. Therefore, each of their beliefs concerning the identity of Jesus is based on something they believe is written in the Bible, and they did not simply invent their beliefs, as you seem to think about the Trinity.

Why is it that you have already read the entire Bible, yet you have not studied the different understandings that these scholars have concerning the identity of Jesus? If you say that Arianism is not found in the Bible, and if we also include the Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrine and the Oneness doctrine, they would say the same thing to you, that the Trinity you believe in is not found in the Bible either.

Can you show them the actual word “Trinity” in the Bible that you believe in?
But what matters is whether what is represented by the word "Trinity" is in the Bible, and it is. Passages such as John 1:1-3 explain that the Son is eternal and fully God. The account of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts makes clear that the Holy Spirit is God, because Peter tells Ananias that He has lied to the Holy Spirit, then he says, "You have not lied to men, but to God."
If all of you were to face one another in a debate, each side would claim that its own belief represents the truth. That is where the endless debate begins over which of you is actually correct.

So let me complete my question so that you can understand exactly what I mean:

If each of you claims that your own belief is the truth, then whom should we ask to determine and reveal what the truth actually is?
The fact that Jehovah's Witnesses, Arians, etc, misinterpret what the Bible says is not the fault of the Bible. God reveals in His word what the truth is.
 
Perhaps you still do not understand what I mean. Reading the entire Bible is not, by itself, a sufficient basis for knowing the truth. The Bible scholars who hold the four different views concerning the identity of the Lord Jesus did not merely read the Bible from beginning to end; they also studied it for five to ten years. Therefore, each of their beliefs concerning the identity of Jesus is based on something they believe is written in the Bible, and they did not simply invent their beliefs, as you seem to think about the Trinity.

Why is it that you have already read the entire Bible, yet you have not studied the different understandings that these scholars have concerning the identity of Jesus? If you say that Arianism is not found in the Bible, and if we also include the Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrine and the Oneness doctrine, they would say the same thing to you, that the Trinity you believe in is not found in the Bible either.

Can you show them the actual word “Trinity” in the Bible that you believe in?

If all of you were to face one another in a debate, each side would claim that its own belief represents the truth. That is where the endless debate begins over which of you is actually correct.

So let me complete my question so that you can understand exactly what I mean:

If each of you claims that your own belief is the truth, then whom should we ask to determine and reveal what the truth actually is?
Only the Trinitarian would be able to defend his or her position using the whole counsel of Scripture. The others would have to skip parts.
 
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But what matters is whether what is represented by the word "Trinity" is in the Bible, and it is. Passages such as John 1:1-3 explain that the Son is eternal and fully God. The account of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts makes clear that the Holy Spirit is God, because Peter tells Ananias that He has lied to the Holy Spirit, then he says, "You have not lied to men, but to God."

The fact that Jehovah's Witnesses, Arians, etc, misinterpret what the Bible says is not the fault of the Bible. God reveals in His word what the truth is.
As I said, whatever reason you have for proving what you believe about the Trinity, they will have the same kind of reasons to prove their understanding of the Lord Jesus. So neither of you will ever concede.

And regarding the question I asked about who should declare which one is the truth, you still haven't answered who that should be. That means you are not interested in finding out the truth, and you are simply going to stand by the belief that your understanding of the Lord Jesus based on the Trinity is the truth.

There is no longer anything for us to discuss about how to recognize the true Jesus whom the apostles knew.
However, we have come to know the one true God because He confirms to us the truth of Ecclesiastes 1:9 and Matthew 24:35.

Therefore, He revealed to us that during His time, He had already encountered four different understandings of who He was. He also revealed the truth regarding these four different understandings of Him, which are no different from the four different understandings people have of Him today.

And as for how to recognize the true Jesus, He revealed it to His apostles and disciples.
In the same way, the Lord Jesus has revealed to us how to recognize the true Jesus whom the apostles knew.

And in coming to know the true Jesus, we have also come to know the one true God.
JOHN 8:19
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
 
Only the Trinitarian would be able to defend his or her position using the whole counsel of Scripture. The others would have to skip parts.
You still don’t understand what I mean. Whatever reasons you give to prove your understanding of the Lord Jesus through what you call the Trinity, they will give the same kind of reasons to prove their understanding of Jesus. Even if you debate for years, neither side will ever concede.

If you say that you are the one who has the truth, they will say the same thing to you. It’s like talking to yourself in front of a mirror, everything you say will simply come back to you.

Do you understand what I mean? You say you’re intelligent, but why is it so difficult for you to understand?

Let me try asking you this to see if you really understand what I mean. If each person claims that their understanding of the Lord Jesus is the truth, then here is my question: Who should be asked to determine and declare which one is actually in the truth?
 
Some of the things we read in the Bible relate to the physical, as when Jesus told His disciples to gather up the fragments of bread and fish. Others are spiritual, as when Paul wrote to the Ephesians that they had been saved by grace, not works. But all of God's word isa truth.
Let me repeat it once again, in case you might understand what I mean. There are events in the Holy Scriptures that happened literally and physically. However, the Lord’s purpose is the spiritual message contained in His Word through those events, and that spiritual message is what is called the truth.

And it is the truth that can bring salvation to a person. Therefore, even if you believe that an event literally and physically happened, simply believing that the physical event took place will not give you salvation.

One example is the story of the Prodigal Son. It did not actually happen as a literal, physical event, so what would you believe to be literally physical about it? The Lord’s purpose in telling this story was the spiritual message contained in it, and that spiritual message is what is called the truth.

The truth is what will bring salvation to anyone who believes that the Lord’s purpose was to convey a spiritual message through the story, rather than to focus on whether the events literally and physically happened.
 
You still don’t understand what I mean. Whatever reasons you give to prove your understanding of the Lord Jesus through what you call the Trinity, they will give the same kind of reasons to prove their understanding of Jesus. Even if you debate for years, neither side will ever concede.

If you say that you are the one who has the truth, they will say the same thing to you. It’s like talking to yourself in front of a mirror, everything you say will simply come back to you.

Do you understand what I mean? You say you’re intelligent, but why is it so difficult for you to understand?

Let me try asking you this to see if you really understand what I mean. If each person claims that their understanding of the Lord Jesus is the truth, then here is my question: Who should be asked to determine and declare which one is actually in the truth?
This is merely the latest in a long line of your posts that together demonstrate that you don't understand the nature of EVIDENCE... at all.
 
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As I said, whatever reason you have for proving what you believe about the Trinity, they will have the same kind of reasons to prove their understanding of the Lord Jesus. So neither of you will ever concede.

And regarding the question I asked about who should declare which one is the truth, you still haven't answered who that should be. That means you are not interested in finding out the truth, and you are simply going to stand by the belief that your understanding of the Lord Jesus based on the Trinity is the truth.
It is not just "my belief". Father, Son and Holy Spirit all being fully God are taught in the Bible. We are not left to wonder. God makes it clear in His word. There are many references to there being one God. John makes clear that Jesus Christ is fully God:

NKJV Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
Jhn 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Acts makes clear that the Holy Spirit is God:

NKJV Act 5:3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself?
Act 5:4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."

Only by ignoring such passages, or by making them say something they don't say, like the Jehovah's |Witnesses saying that John 1:1 should state that the word was a god instead of "the Word was God", can anybody say that the Trinity is not taught in Scripture.

There is no longer anything for us to discuss about how to recognize the true Jesus whom the apostles knew.
However, we have come to know the one true God because He confirms to us the truth of Ecclesiastes 1:9 and Matthew 24:35.

Therefore, He revealed to us that during His time, He had already encountered four different understandings of who He was. He also revealed the truth regarding these four different understandings of Him, which are no different from the four different understandings people have of Him today.
Of course Jesus is fully God, and knows all things. He knows what different ideas people have about Who He is. You say they are the same ideas today that people have always had. I would say that is not the case. When Jesus was here on earth, some people thought He was John the Baptist and some thought He was a reincarnation of one of the Old Testament prophets. Not many people believe those things now.
And as for how to recognize the true Jesus, He revealed it to His apostles and disciples.
In the same way, the Lord Jesus has revealed to us how to recognize the true Jesus whom the apostles knew.

And in coming to know the true Jesus, we have also come to know the one true God.
JOHN 8:19
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
Yes, and it is through His word, the Bible that we learn Who He is. That is why the apostle Paul, in 1 Corinthians 15,, used the phrase "according to the Scriptures" when talking about the Lord Jesus Christ:

NKJV 1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,
1Co 15:2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

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Let me repeat it once again, in case you might understand what I mean. There are events in the Holy Scriptures that happened literally and physically. However, the Lord’s purpose is the spiritual message contained in His Word through those events, and that spiritual message is what is called the truth.
Ifr all you are saying is that there are spiritual truths to be learned from the literal events recorded in the Bible, I agree. But you seem to go further than that. In our discussion about God giving pastors and teachers to churches, you argue that it did not literally happen.
And it is the truth that can bring salvation to a person. Therefore, even if you believe that an event literally and physically happened, simply believing that the physical event took place will not give you salvation.
There are certain literally events which must be believed for salvation. For example, we must believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh:

NKJV 1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

However, I agree that merely believing physical events won't save us. We must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, a Person, not an event.

One example is the story of the Prodigal Son. It did not actually happen as a literal, physical event, so what would you believe to be literally physical about it? The Lord’s purpose in telling this story was the spiritual message contained in it, and that spiritual message is what is called the truth.
I believe that it is a parable. I believe that Jesus literally told it in order to explain who is meant by one's neighbour, in answer to a literal question from a literal lawyer who asked Jesus a literal question: "Who is my neighbour?" The events described in the parable did not literally happen.
The truth is what will bring salvation to anyone who believes that the Lord’s purpose was to convey a spiritual message through the story, rather than to focus on whether the events literally and physically happened.
Merely believing that the Lord told the parable of the prodigal son to convey a spiritual message is not what saves a sinner, but believing on a Person, the Lord Jesus Christ. When the jailer asked how to be saved, the apostles didn't say, "Believe that the parable of the prodigal son teaches a spiritual message." No, the said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." (Acts 16:31)
 
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Let me repeat it once again, in case you might understand what I mean. There are events in the Holy Scriptures that happened literally and physically. However, the Lord’s purpose is the spiritual message contained in His Word through those events, and that spiritual message is what is called the truth.

And it is the truth that can bring salvation to a person. Therefore, even if you believe that an event literally and physically happened, simply believing that the physical event took place will not give you salvation.

One example is the story of the Prodigal Son. It did not actually happen as a literal, physical event, so what would you believe to be literally physical about it? The Lord’s purpose in telling this story was the spiritual message contained in it, and that spiritual message is what is called the truth.

The truth is what will bring salvation to anyone who believes that the Lord’s purpose was to convey a spiritual message through the story, rather than to focus on whether the events literally and physically happened.
You invent so much in your head and attribute it to others as though it is actually their belief. It's ridiculous, stupid, and disrespectful.

YOU DON'T KNOW what others think. YOU DON'T KNOW what others believe. STOP ASSUMING THAT YOU DO.

Ask questions. Accept the answers at face value. You are so focused on trying to prove that David and I don't know the one true God, but you will never win that argument, so just stop.
 
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