looking for help reconciling the Sabbath with common observation?

[Yissachar]

Not true, see verse 5

Acts 15:5 - But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

In regards to circumcision in order to be SAVED, that's the Context - That is the Issue the Jerusalem elders addressed.

FYI Circumcision is a part of the law of Moses, Required for anyone to be part of Israel.

Imagine the difficulty of converting someone to the Faith

You want to join

Then All you need to do is give up a little flesh and you're in.

For forty years they didn't circumcise their children, let alone any adults when the fathers wandered in the wilderness. Not until they entered the land.

Romans 7 also addresses one specific issue in the Law of Moses, the law of divorce and re-marriage

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

Because the unlearned like to rip "she is free from the law" out of its context Just like they do Acts 15 to justify their lawlessness.

Romans 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

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Romans 7:1

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are...

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[Dino246]

I prefer the KJV.

How do you know which god you worship?
What has He done? What has He made?
According to the bible it was the God that made heaven, the earth, the seas and all things in them.
In 6 days and rested on the sabbath.

Is this the same God you worship when you deny His weekly sabbath day?

If you think God cannot be known outside the ten commandments, you have bigger problems.

 

[Freed18]

I agree.

But that is not a "replacement". It's a summary of what already existed.

I agree.

 

[Davidstarr]

If you think God cannot be known outside the ten commandments, you have bigger problems.

Which God are even talking about?
The One who created all things in 6 days and rested on the 7th day?
Or some statue of wood and stone that cannot turn even a handful of dust into a mouse?

Throughout the OT, whenever He wanted to stress the fact that He was greater than all the idols of the pagan nations was to stress the fact that He was the Creator of all things.

If you do not worshio the Creator then you are worshiping a false god.

 

[Churchgoer]

So tell every one plainly, do you believe those who do not have church on Saturday will go to hell?

He does not tell people to go to church on Saturday.

That's the reason we have ask people who insist on this Saturday thing, what do they do on Saturday?
they said cooking allowed, chopping wood allowed, feeding animal allowed, many many things allowed.

So you already observe this day based on their interpretation.

 

[NightTwister]

Just as much if one perpetually breaks the 6th commandment or the 8th or the 1st, 2nd, etc.

I'm guessing you never read the 4th commandment either. It says nothing about going to church does it?

So as long as I break it now and then I'm good? What percentage is acceptable?

 

[Dino246]

Which God are even talking about?
The One who created all things in 6 days and rested on the 7th day?
Or some statue of wood and stone that cannot turn even a handful of dust into a mouse?

Throughout the OT, whenever He wanted to stress the fact that He was greater than all the idols of the pagan nations was to stress the fact that He was the Creator of all things.

If you do not worshio the Creator then you are worshiping a false god.

It’s unfortunate that you have such a low view (or is it awareness?) of God’s word that you think only the commandments tell us about Him.

 

[Churchgoer]

So as long as I break it now and then I'm good? What percentage is acceptable?

You are not breaking it by resting on Saturday.
Resting definition: chopping wood if it make you happy....

 

[NightTwister]

Again Heb 4:1-11 has a direct command from Paul to keep the 7th day sabbath.

Which is why you refuse to open your bible and read it.

Proof that you can make the Bible say whatever you want.

 

[NightTwister]

I prefer the KJV.

How do you know which god you worship?
What has He done? What has He made?
According to the bible it was the God that made heaven, the earth, the seas and all things in them.
In 6 days and rested on the sabbath.

Is this the same God you worship when you deny His weekly sabbath day?

I find that many who prefer the KJV do so because it conveniently allows them to put new meanings on old words.

 

[NightTwister]

You are not breaking it by resting on Saturday.
Resting definition: chopping wood if it make you happy....

Even my work glorifies God. That's what resting in Him means.

 

[Yissachar]

“There remaineth therefore a rest -G4520 to the people of God.” Hebrews 4:9

Strong's G4520 σαββατισμός -

1. a keeping Sabbath

Vines Word Dictionary σαββατισμός -

1. “a keeping of the Sabbath"

Thayer's Greek Lexicon σαββατισμός -

1. “a keeping of the Sabbath”

Hebrews 4:9 uses σαββατισμός (sabbatismos), a different but related form. This is the noun in -ᾰ-ισμός formed from the verb σαββατίζω (sabbatizō, “to keep the Sabbath”) Bible Hub+1. The suffix -ᾰ-ισμός turns a verb into an abstract noun meaning “the act or state of doing something” — here, “the keeping of the Sabbath” or “Sabbath rest”

Genesis 2:3
“And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.”

Exodus 31:17
It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He rested, and was refreshed.

 

[Churchgoer]

Even my work glorifies God. That's what resting in Him means.

Yes, pastors preparing, preaching, moms dad's raising children according to God, doctors nurses helping sick, chefs feeding hungry....

Or resting on couch all day? What if the other 6 days all resting on couch 🛋 ?

 

[Churchgoer]

“There remaineth therefore a rest -G4520 to the people of God.” Hebrews 4:9

Strong's G4520 σαββατισμός -

1. a keeping Sabbath

Vines Word Dictionary σαββατισμός -

1. “a keeping of the Sabbath"

Thayer's Greek Lexicon σαββατισμός -

1. “a keeping of the Sabbath”

Hebrews 4:9 uses σαββατισμός (sabbatismos), a different but related form. This is the noun in -ᾰ-ισμός formed from the verb σαββατίζω (sabbatizō, “to keep the Sabbath”) Bible Hub+1. The suffix -ᾰ-ισμός turns a verb into an abstract noun meaning “the act or state of doing something” — here, “the keeping of the Sabbath” or “Sabbath rest”

Genesis 2:3
“And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.”

Exodus 31:17
It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He rested, and was refreshed.

Yes, 7th day.
See the math?

 

[Davidstarr]

Proof that you can make the Bible say whatever you want.

I don't make Heb 4:4 say anything other than what it says, "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works."

If you think this means resting in Jesus EVERY day then when did God create our world?
You obviously do not think it means what Gen 1:1 through 2:3 says....

Are you an evolutionist?

 

[Churchgoer]

I don't make Heb 4:4 say anything other than what it says, "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works."

If you think this means resting in Jesus EVERY day then when did God create our world?
You obviously do not think it means what Gen 1:1 through 2:3 says....

Are you an evolutionist?

I think night twister is retired. He is enjoying resting.
Is God against retirement?

 

[Davidstarr]

I think night twister is retired. He is enjoying resting.
Is God against retirement?

You sure like to nit pick certain obvious exceptions.

Of course a retired person cannot do the work he/she did in their younger years.

That's why we have the 5th commandment as well.
Children are supposed to take care of their older family members.

 

[Churchgoer]

You sure like to nit pick certain obvious exceptions.

Of course a retired person cannot do the work he/she did in their younger years.

That's why we have the 5th commandment as well.
Children are supposed to take care of their older family members.

My point is people are already following the 4th law, based on your practices.

 

[Gideon300]

God is not a respecter of persons. There is no difference between Jew and Greek if you belong to Christ.

In fact, we have been grafted on. We are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise. Even if we not of his physical bloodline.

You do not understand what "no difference" means. In Christ there is neither male or female. I'm not sure that the ladies of your church would be OK with you using their bathroom.

Do you think the 10 commandment law has been replaced?
Where does the NT say we don't have to keep the law that says "thou shalt not kill" or "thou shalt not commit adultery"?
Which law has replaced them?

The law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. That's what has replaced the law. New Covenant, New Life, New Law.

 

[NightTwister]

I don't make Heb 4:4 say anything other than what it says, "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works."

If you think this means resting in Jesus EVERY day then when did God create our world?
You obviously do not think it means what Gen 1:1 through 2:3 says....

Are you an evolutionist?

I believe in a literal 6-day creation.