Replacement theology? Yes or No.
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But to be fair - he is only talking about what is said in Matthew 24 not all prophecy in the Bible
As I've already shown everyone using Pilgrimshope's example of Matthew 24, all of those chapters are showing present and future events in the same chapters.
Matthew 24 past and future prophecies:
Fulfilled Prophecies (Historical/Partial Preterist View)
- Destruction of the Temple: Jesus predicted no stone would be left upon another; this was literally fulfilled in AD 70 when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem.
- Wars, Famines, and Earthquakes: These "birth pains" occurred extensively during the Jewish Revolt (AD 66–70) and the surrounding period.
- False Messiahs and Prophets: Many claimed to be the Christ during the revolt, misleading many Jews.
- Persecution and Betrayal: Christians faced martyrdom, and many Jews fell away from the faith during the siege.
- Gospel Preached to the World: The "inhabited earth" (Roman Empire) received the Gospel before the destruction of Jerusalem.
- Flight to the Mountains: Believers fled to Pella, heeding Jesus' warning about the "abomination of desolation" (interpreted as Roman armies).
- The Great Tribulation: Jesus described a time of distress "such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be."
- The Abomination of Desolation: While some link this to Roman standards in AD 70, many interpret it as a future event involving a specific idolatrous act in a rebuilt temple.
- Cosmic Signs: The darkening of the sun, moon not giving light, and stars falling (Matthew 24:29) are viewed as literal, future cosmic events rather than metaphorical political collapses.
- The Second Coming: The visible return of the Son of Man on clouds with power and glory has not yet occurred.
- Gathering of the Elect: The final gathering of believers from the four winds at the end of the age is a future event.
I just made a post showing that Matthew 24 shows both fulfilled events and future events yet to come. When each generation sees those specific events happening during their time, they can be considered the generation that will experience the rest of the event.
Birth pains = 70th week tribulation.
DOTL begins with birth pains.
DOTL begins with 70th week tribulation.
And NO, the 70th week has NOT begun..... because we have not yet been RAPTURED!
How could @OMC fail to recognize this crucial milestone? Because he hasn't the slightest idea of how "end time" eschatology works. Because he is faking it.
Matthew 24 is Jesus’ panoramic answer to two distinct questions,
The destruction of the temple (24:2–3a) and
His coming and the end of the age (24:3b).
And the chapter itself keeps those threads separate by using
“this generation” for the near‑term judgment on Jerusalem (24:34) and
“that day” for the unknown, eschatological return of Christ (24:36).
The first section (vv. 4–34) describes the birth‑pains, persecutions, global gospel witness, abomination that stands, and the great tribulation tied to covenant‑judgment, while the second section (vv. 35–51) shifts to cosmic signs, the visible appearing of the Son of Man, angelic gathering of the elect, and the call to watchfulness, meaning Matthew 24 is not a single event but a two‑track prophecy where Jesus answers both the disciples’ immediate concern and the ultimate future hope without blending them into one timeline.
No. The RAPTURE has not yet occurred.
And it must PRECEDE the time of God's wrath, the 7 year tribulation.
[Rev 3:10 KJV] – 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
I understand what you're saying here, but I didn't understand how you considered the start of the Millennial Kingdom starting with the Tribulation period, which is how it sounded the way you were wording it. The person you replied to was specifically asking you to give your opinion of WHEN you see the Millennial Kingdom starting.
Yes I saw that after I had replied and I am sorry to say I disagree with that conclusion
No, I’m not sneaking in a three‑category system, you’re seeing two categories inside Matthew 24 itself, not a universal three‑fold framework applied across Scripture;
The chapter has a near event (“this generation” - Jerusalem’s destruction) and a far event (“that day” - the final coming),
but that doesn’t mean every prophecy everywhere must be sorted into three bins, nor that “last days” must be split into multiple doctrinal eras;
Matthew 24 contains two horizons because Jesus was answering two questions,
not because Scripture teaches a standing three‑tier interpretive grid.
I went back and took out the word, "three" , because I was thinking of the categories used for "the last days" and "the latter days" and was confusing them. However, if we want to get technical, the Disciples were asking Jesus about three different things at the time that He answered them....
In Matthew 24:3, the disciples asked Jesus three specific questions regarding future events while sitting on the Mount of Olives:
- When will the temple be destroyed? They asked, "When will these things happen?" referring to Jesus' prediction that not one stone of the magnificent temple would be left on another.
- What will be the sign of Jesus' coming? They sought to know the specific indicators that would signal His return.
- What will be the sign of the end of the age? They inquired about the signs that would mark the consummation of the current age.
Read it again. Both the OT and NT clearly state that the DOTL begins with the time of God's WRATH aka the birth pains aka tribulation.
It does NOT begin with the reign of peace that follows the Second Coming.
Many greenhorns and novices make this crucial mistake.....and then they blow it even worse by becoming mid-tribbers or post tribbers or worse.
Yes, the disciples spoke three clauses, but grammatically they form one compound question with two actual horizons,
because the second and third clauses (“the sign of your coming” and “the end of the age”) are not two separate events in Jesus’ answer, but one eschatological reality,
Which is why Jesus responds with only two demonstratives, “this generation” for the near judgment and “that day” for the final coming. The disciples assumed all three things would happen together, but Jesus corrects that assumption by splitting their question into a near fulfillment (vv. 4–34) and a far fulfillment (vv. 35–51).
Meaning the disciples’ three‑part wording doesn’t create three prophetic, categories, it simply reveals their confusion, and Jesus’ answer establishes the actual interpretive structure.
[1Th 5:9 KJV] – 9 For God hath not appointed us to (ESCHATOLOGICAL TRIBULATION) wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Well if we just followed the words of Jesus.. all these theories would just dissolve.
Look at how many different theories there are, not good.
But the Millennial Kingdom period is a time of peace, not a time of wrath, which shows that it comes after the Second Coming of Jesus in my opinion. I'm not sure I would count the Tribulation as the start of it. Once the Tribulation is over, Jesus will return to perform the Sheep & Goat judgement, then it will start.
All you are doing is following a very small group of words spoken by Jesus instead of taking ALL of them into context. Your view is very limited. God's word doesn't just dissolve because you choose not to address or listen to the REST OF THEM.
I see it all up to verse 31 as being fulfilled. I do see a duel fulfilment though in verses 32-33