Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Churchgoer]

No.
It is what it says.
If you need it changed then you need a new starting place.
God went the extra mile to list them as who they are and numbered them in more than one way.

But beyond that , he put up a guard rail against changing them into a made up doctrine enhancer.

They are FIRSTFRUITS of a group.
Jewish firstfruits.

Who is the firstfruits of the church.
Look it up.
The answer is Jesus.

That alone prevents men from muddying up the 144k.

They are who they are declared to be.

Mens doctrines get hammered.
Big time.

Are you telling the 144k not to accept Jesus today?

 

[Psalm1]

God had them selected by tribe into twelve distinct groups - 12,000 per tribe.

Yet? Jews who believe today during the Church age?
They no longer have a tribe.

For they are the "new man" (2 Corinthians 5:17) as the result of becoming a new creation in Christ!

So when God divides them up according to their tribe?
That means the Church age on earth had ended.
RAPTURE!
And, back to the age of the Jews during the Tribulation!
144,000!


........

Then you have a problem

You have a different firstfruits than the church

Jesus is the firstfruits of the church


You have something other than that as your firstfruits?
144,000, as your firstfruits?
See what happens when "intellect" attempts to unpack Revelation?

 

[Psalm1]

Are you telling the 144k not to accept Jesus today?

Are you saying your firstfruits is not Jesus.
Who is the firstfruits of the church ?

The 144,000 is Jesus?

 

[Psalm1]

Are you telling the 144k not to accept Jesus today?

I believe the bible.
It says they follow the Lamb wherever he goes.

The 144,000 are born again Jews.

You saying Jews can not be born again?

You want me or somebody to tell them Jews can not be born again?

 

[Revelation1v8]

That's what the AI says, what do you say?

If A.I. wasn't representing my thoughts, I never would have posted it.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Fairly sure the millennium is a different topic. This doesn't relate to the confirmation of the covenant or the Holy Spirit. It comes afterward.

You're still missing the main point. The Holy Spirit is only within us until full redemption takes place at the time of our resurrection.

 

[Revelation1v8]

The church is here now.

So, you're going to contradict your original post on how it expands. Got it. You took A.I. to represent your views without even understanding what it was saying.

 

[ScooterJackson]

If A.I. wasn't representing my thoughts, I never would have posted it.

Those relying on what AI says and posting what AI says cannot be taken seriously.

It's almost like those doing this don't even know or have the Holy Spirit to lead them

 

[Aaron56]

No.
It is what it says.
If you need it changed then you need a new starting place.
God went the extra mile to list them as who they are and numbered them in more than one way.

But beyond that , he put up a guard rail against changing them into a made up doctrine enhancer.

They are FIRSTFRUITS of a group.
Jewish firstfruits.

Who is the firstfruits of the church.
Look it up.
The answer is Jesus.

That alone prevents men from muddying up the 144k.

They are who they are declared to be.

Mens doctrines get hammered.
Big time.

Of course it is what it says. When it is written "The Twelves Tribes" and you do not have a list of the Twelve Tribes, you are to seek the Lord for wisdom. It's not a one to one correlation. Something else is going on. Religious gymnastics are required to shoehorn Dan's omission and Manasseh's inclusion. Let the text speak for itself.

We also have these accounts:

"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel..."

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly..."
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."

One would have to ignore many scriptures to conclude these are ethnic Jews.

 

[Genez]

Then you have a problem

You have a different firstfruits than the church

Jesus is the firstfruits of the church


You have something other than that as your firstfruits?
144,000, as your firstfruits?
See what happens when "intellect" attempts to unpack Revelation?

What ever you are trying to turn that into I am not sure.
You jumped on a first fruits theme, which may not be applicable.

As for what I did say?
It is truth.

Jesus is the firstfruits of the church.
OK....

The 144,000 are not the Church.
That means Jesus cannot lead them?

Jesus led Moses. Was Moses the Church?
Was Ezekiel? Isaiah?

Like I said... The Tribulation is the continuation of the Jewish age.

 

[Revelation1v8]

"The Jews are waiting for MESSIAH."

But Jesus already come. Some reject Jesus till today, till their last breath.

they know they have tomorrow?

Jesus say just worry for today.

So, you don't think Jesus wanted people to be watching for His Second Coming? If that's the case, I disagree with you.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Yeah and the Lord has ways of dealing with people such as yourself who seek to lead others in to false doctrine.

Those following the ways of the Nicolaitans are not accepted by the Lord so FYI on that in all your efforts to deceive others in to bowing down to follow you rather than following the Lord Jesus



I'm happy to not be one that rejects the whole counsel of the Lord such as yourself.
Your reprobate ways are going to kill you, so you should repent quick!

What false doctrine do you think he is leading others to?

Scooter, I think you're so quick to argue that you don't even take the time to understand what people are saying, even when they believe the same thing you do. That has happened between the two of us before too. Slow down and take your time to understand what's being communicated. If you can't, well, you might just have a communication problem in general.