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If we are led by the Spirit, we will be fulfilling all of God's righteous requirements, not just the ten commandments.
How do you know which Spirit is leading you...?

The holy Spirit of God
Or the spirit of deception of Satan.

The law is Spiritual

And when you obey the law internally you are being lead by the Spirit of God.


2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
 
How do you know which Spirit is leading you...?

The holy Spirit of God
Or the spirit of deception of Satan.

The law is Spiritual

And when you obey the law internally you are being lead by the Spirit of God.


2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Do you really want to know or do you just want to prove me wrong? If you truly want to know, I will tell you. If all you want is a fight, I'm not interested.
 
So the opposite has happened since her divine prediction. No national was ever passed and in time we repealed the ones we had. So now we have commerce on Sundays.
The final prophecies in Revelation involve more then just a mark of the beast. When God stands up and the cup is full then the end will come. God will hold back the final events until He let's things go.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

The events foretold in Revelation say that the mark of the beast will be given just before the second coming of Jesus.

If Jesus isn't ready to return He will prevent the mark from being enforced.

But watch these laws...
 
The final prophecies in Revelation involve more then just a mark of the beast. When God stands up and the cup is full then the end will come. God will hold back the final events until He let's things go.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

The events foretold in Revelation say that the mark of the beast will be given just before the second coming of Jesus.

If Jesus isn't ready to return He will prevent the mark from being enforced.

But watch these laws...
Please elaborate how do you observe this law?
 
This however does not mean the old covenant law is still in effect. It is not.
Do you believe that ...

Exo 20:13-16
13 Thou shalt not kill. 14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. 15 Thou shalt not steal. 16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

....These laws are part of the new covenant?

Just because they were part of the Old does not mean they are not part of the new.

The old agreement was removed.

The 10 commandments were part of the new covenant and the old..

But the difference is Jesus..

Our example and high priest.

Better promises and a covenant that uses the blood of Jesus instead of the blood of animals.
 
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Your argument assumes that Israel's laws are universal. But we can't assume that in this discussion. You must prove that Israel's laws are universal, not assume it.
I'm saying the 10 commandments are universal.

Which human being are able to .... transgress any of the 10 laws and it is not sinful.

Can any human covet or take God's name in vain and not be sinning.
Can anyone murder or steal or lie and not be sinning.

These 10 laws apply to everyone
 
Sounds a bit much for sure. Mind as well stay in bed. Perhaps readjusting the blankets will be in violation too.
That's the reason they need to tell us their practice on this Saturday. Otherwise how do we know what to follow?

Please, do tell us the practice on Saturday.
 
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Please elaborate how do you observe this law?
Which law?

The mark of the beast.... this is a law enforced by the government to rest on Sunday. To have a sabbath rest on Sunday. Church and State will combine to make rules about how we keep the sabbath.

God said the 7th day is the sabbath
Man changed the day to the first day.

Step by step the changes will be brought about until we need to make a choice.

Rev 14:9-10
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;....
 
for those insist on Saturday law, make sure no cooking, driving, feeding animals, turning on lights....to break this law.
How can one who does not believe in the 7th day sabbath judge whether or not someone who does believe is keeping it properly or not?
 
No, the Lord is speaking through Paul concerning the office of Bishop and who is qualified.

Quote from - 1 Timothy 3:1-13
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desires a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife

Quote from - Titus 1:6-9
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God

Whatever you do, don't let what the Lord says in His Word get in the way of what the popular kids claim.

They might kick you out of the religious clubhouse and tag you as a reengage for daring to believe God's Word over their false teachings
Your reply didn't address my assertion, which was focused on 1 Timothy 2:9-13. In that context, Paul addresses the fact that certain women were dissatisfied with their role as wives and wanted to be teachers. Paul's argument is based on the relationship that Eve had with her husband, Adam.

More could be said about Paul's argument here but for now the important thing to realize is that Paul is speaking about husbands and wives in this passage, not men and women in general.
 
Not Israel's laws but God's laws.

The moral laws are universal
Don't ignore the background and context to generalize a concept meant to be specific.

Consider Romans 5, where Paul's argument depends on the distinction between a transgression, a violation of what God explicitly commanded, and a sin, an immoral act. Death reigned from Adam till Moses, proving that sin existed, but until Moses, sin was not imputed or identified as such.

The point is, the Fourth Commandment, being one of God's laws as you say, was unique to Israel and not a universal moral imperative. God says this explicitly in Deuteronomy. The Sabbath Day is given as a sign of God's relationship with those who came out of Egypt and their families unto many generations.
 
I'm saying the 10 commandments are universal.
I know, but you can't argue as if this is true. You need to prove it. And I can confidently say that you can't prove it.
Which human being are able to .... transgress any of the 10 laws and it is not sinful.

Can any human covet or take God's name in vain and not be sinning.
Can anyone murder or steal or lie and not be sinning.

These 10 laws apply to everyone
That is what you need to prove. The Fourth Commandment doesn't apply to everyone. Just because it is included among the others in a set, doesn't mean they apply equally to each and every human being. If it did, then Paul could never write this: Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— ;things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." According to Paul, the weekly Sabbath is a shadow of the substance that belongs to Christ. He couldn't say this about the commandment against murder or adultery, can he?
 
The final prophecies in Revelation involve more then just a mark of the beast. When God stands up and the cup is full then the end will come. God will hold back the final events until He let's things go.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

The events foretold in Revelation say that the mark of the beast will be given just before the second coming of Jesus.

If Jesus isn't ready to return He will prevent the mark from being enforced.

But watch these laws...
That is a heck of a stretch to call Sunday observation the mark of the beast. If we stretch not keeping the Sabbath to it's farthest extent it still does not equate. Taking the mark is eternal damnation. You are no longer to be redeemed. We have seen God's judgement for not keeping the Sabbath. They were booted from their land yet redeemable as God returned them. There is no return when you take the mark. So no the mark is not any kind of observation of a day.
 
Paul is speaking about husbands and wives in this passage, not men and women in general.

No, that is in error. Notices in the passages below that they are speaking about who is qualified for the office of a bishop (pastor, teacher, church leader)

Quote from - 1 Timothy 3:1-13
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desires a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife

Quote from - Titus 1:6-9
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God

1 Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:6-9 are very clearly saying only men are qualified for the office of a bishop (pastor, teacher, church leader)
These two passages mention nothing about marriage relationships at all.

This topic is one that demonstrates that some reject what God says in His Word in favor of the wisdom of sinful man who rejects what God says claiming women can be qualified for the office of a bishop (pastor, teacher, church leader)

They do so by turning away from the Lord which that do because they are tares
 
I know, but you can't argue as if this is true. You need to prove it. And I can confidently say that you can't prove it.

That is what you need to prove. The Fourth Commandment doesn't apply to everyone. Just because it is included among the others in a set, doesn't mean they apply equally to each and every human being. If it did, then Paul could never write this: Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— ;things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." According to Paul, the weekly Sabbath is a shadow of the substance that belongs to Christ. He couldn't say this about the commandment against murder or adultery, can he?
Actually Paul does not say he is talking about the "weekly" 7th day sabbath of rest.
So you cannot claim he did.

The children of Israel had other days that were also called sabbath days of rest but were not the weekly 7th day sabbath.
Surely you should know this.
Those other feast days and holidays are not given in the 10 commandments.
They were specifically given as "dated" holidays and would never fall upon the same day of the week year after year.
They were part of the Mosaic Law, which included specifics for the temple services, sacrificing animals for forgiveness of sin, circumcision, etc.
These "handwriting of ordinances" were nailed to Jesus' cross.
 
Your reply didn't address my assertion, which was focused on 1 Timothy 2:9-13. In that context, Paul addresses the fact that certain women were dissatisfied with their role as wives and wanted to be teachers. Paul's argument is based on the relationship that Eve had with her husband, Adam.

More could be said about Paul's argument here but for now the important thing to realize is that Paul is speaking about husbands and wives in this passage, not men and women in general.
Your argument ignores Priscilla whose example contradicts it. I suggest you do some more research and don’t base your conclusion on an English translation.
 
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