Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[cv5]

After everything we've learned about the early history of the church and how it originally went from a Premillennial view of the Millennial Kingdom reign to an Amillennial view based on politics, EVERYONE should take this as a lesson to READ THEIR ENTIRE BIBLES so not to be misled by any church.

I truly think that's why God/Jesus allowed the the church to end up in such disarray after Rome killed Peter & Paul. If they had read their Bibles instead of hanging on every word from early philosophers, and allowing pagans to incorporate some of their practices into the church, maybe they wouldn't have fallen into the trap they are in.

Lesson: Don't rely on ANY man to teach you when you have God's Word available right in front of you and the Holy Spirit to guide you if you're reading it with an open heart to God/Jesus and acknowledge that His thoughts and ways are better than ours (as if ours matter anyway!) He reigns and calls the shots.

Agree. And you are right in pointing out how Augustin of Hippo was major player in conjuring up bogus dogma.

 

[Genez]

The world hates Israel state because they bombed everyone around in middle east. Murdered millions, and millions became refugees.
Look into the history starting 1946, king David hotel bombing. And all the bombing after that.

You find yourself now hating Israel because you are unaware of what the Bible teaches concerning Israel.
You are falling for Satan's propaganda machine.

The "world" does hate Israel.
That is true!

​

Do not love the world or anything in the world. ​

If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them. ​

​

1 John 2:15​

​

Hitler wanted to wipe all Jews from the face of the earth.
Why?

For if all Jews could be gone?
It would mean?
Satan would walk free of the Lake of Fire.

Why?

Because God would be proven a liar and unworthy to be Satan's judge.

How would it have become a lie?
It would be concerning Jesus returning to earth to rule the new earth from Jerusalem.
Returning to earth to claim the throne of David in Jerusalem to rule the new earth for 1000 years.

So?
Of course Israel will be lied about.
The fake news media is Satan's propaganda machine.

Those who know the Bible see through the fake news.

 

[Komentaja]

Yes, I am quite familiar with this information.

This is what it comes down to for me and I think it reasonable to view it this way.

Covenant theology, preterism, partial preterism and historicism, ( I will concede) are reasonable conclusions if one picks up the Bible and reads for oneself.


A person has to be taught dispensationalism (except for the ones who found a way to create it as a system) and it is a system completely based on clever eisegesis.

But its the opposite? You pick up the book of Revelation, which I did, and you read about two witnesses, you see that has NEVER ever happened in history, therefore its future. Its just so ridicilous to try to make them "the Church" when there is nothing in the text to suggest that. Its clearly two men, most likely Moses and Elijah based on the miracles, or Enoch and Elijah since neither of them died, whoever you think they are, they must be two men. And no two men have ever been dead for 3,5 years and rose again.

This works for everything, there is just no way to make a preterist or historicist view fit, its too much ignoring of Scripture. When read that way I can make the seals be about the war in Ukraine, since its talking about a fourth the land, meaning the land of Ukraine you see.

 

[Komentaja]

Yes, I am quite familiar with this information.

This is what it comes down to for me and I think it reasonable to view it this way.

Covenant theology, preterism, partial preterism and historicism, ( I will concede) are reasonable conclusions if one picks up the Bible and reads for oneself.


A person has to be taught dispensationalism (except for the ones who found a way to create it as a system) and it is a system completely based on clever eisegesis.

Show me the man of lawlessness that was slain by Jesus in history, show me the two witnesses.. Where is it? I got no problem believing something different if there was some proof, but I havent seen any.

 

[cv5]

You find yourself now hating Israel because you are unaware of what the Bible teaches concerning Israel.
You are falling for Satan's propaganda machine.

The "world" does hate Israel.
That is true!

​

Do not love the world or anything in the world. ​

If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them. ​

​

1 John 2:15​

​

Hitler wanted to wipe all Jews from the face of the earth.
Why?

For if all Jews could be gone?
It would mean?
Satan would walk free of the Lake of Fire.

Why?

Because God would be proven a liar and unworthy to be Satan's judge.

How would it have become a lie?
It would be concerning Jesus returning to earth to rule the new earth from Jerusalem.
Returning to earth to claim the throne of David in Jerusalem to rule the new earth for 1000 years.

So?
Of course Israel will be lied about.
The fake news media is Satan's propaganda machine.

Those who know the Bible see through the fake news.

Indeed, the fact that Israel is the focus of worldwide "attention" is lost on so many here.
But this remains an ever present daily reality despite the strident denials.....

Do you find it incomprehensible and uncanny that the present day reformation per Ezekiel 37 escapes their scrutiny?
Yea, so do I....

 

[cv5]

Yes, I am quite familiar with this information.

This is what it comes down to for me and I think it reasonable to view it this way.

Covenant theology, preterism, partial preterism and historicism, ( I will concede) are reasonable conclusions if one picks up the Bible and reads for oneself.


A person has to be taught dispensationalism (except for the ones who found a way to create it as a system) and it is a system completely based on clever eisegesis.

I will have you know that I was "taught dispensationalism" by no less than Christ Jesus, Paul and the rest of His apostles.
Not to mention the OT prophets including Moses. All of whom received their insights via the Holy Spirit Himself.

So yea, I am feeling pretty good about my status. That being a blessed soul who has been bequeathed with the Spiritual gifts of wisdom and knowledge.

You should dump your awful conspiracy theories and get on board. All are welcome!

 

[Churchgoer]

You find yourself now hating Israel because you are unaware of what the Bible teaches concerning Israel.
You are falling for Satan's propaganda machine.

The "world" does hate Israel.
That is true!

​

Do not love the world or anything in the world. ​

If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them. ​

​

1 John 2:15​

​

Hitler wanted to wipe all Jews from the face of the earth.
Why?

For if all Jews could be gone?
It would mean?
Satan would walk free of the Lake of Fire.

Why?

Because God would be proven a liar and unworthy to be Satan's judge.

How would it have become a lie?
It would be concerning Jesus returning to earth to rule the new earth from Jerusalem.
Returning to earth to claim the throne of David in Jerusalem to rule the new earth for 1000 years.

So?
Of course Israel will be lied about.
The fake news media is Satan's propaganda machine.

Those who know the Bible see through the fake news.

Name one by one, which one is not true?

Israel never bomb anyone?
Israel never reject Jesus?
Israel never started pedophile ring?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What would change after they heard Jesus, if they were married but never had children then they never were brought together as one by the LORD.

“What would change after they heard Jesus,

….
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”
‭‭John‬ ‭7:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses commanded a different thing regarding marriage and divorce and remarriage …….than Jesus did later is what changed ……it’s different doctrine

 

[cv5]

Name one by one, which one is not true?

Israel never bomb anyone?
Israel never reject Jesus?
Israel never started pedophile ring?

You do realize that you yourself right now in real time are confirming everything that @Genez is saying?
Right?

 

[Beekeeper]

That's because you're not looking at where they are located. The 144,000 representing the 12 tribes of Israel are redeemed Israelites that work as witnesses for God/Jesus during the final Great Tribulation.

They are Israelites, I agree.
I think you are making the mistake of assuming that they are chosen from people that live on earth in the future.
If this is not the case you can correct me.

 

[Psalm1]

I love marching out the doctrine of the redemption of the Nation Israel.

One gains invaluable insights based on the reaction of the viewing audience....if you know what I mean.....

That, the gentile bride and groom, and the throne of David re-established.
The heartbeat and passion of heaven

 

[Churchgoer]

That, the gentile bride and groom, and the throne of David re-established.
The heartbeat and passion of heaven

Gentile bride ?
What about Peter Paul mark James Mary, Mary, Mary....

 

[Beekeeper]

***THE*** (definite article singular) man of sin aka THE little horn is the anti-Christ of Revelation.

The biblical languages do not merely permit a singular personal Antichrist; several of the principal NT designations explicitly demand a definite singular referent: ὁ ἄνθρωπος (“THE man”), ὁ υἱός (“THE son”), ὁ ἄνομος (“THE lawless one”), ὁ ἀντίχριστος (“THE Antichrist”), and τὸ θηρίον (“THE Beast”). Daniel likewise progresses from “a little horn” to the determinate “THE horn.”

So no, the dynastic and historical Papacy is not THE SINGULAR lawless one of 2 Thes 2 and Revelation.

And FYI, this beast is a literal Satan-man counterfeit, who is the direct antithesis of the God-man.
And don't fail to recognize the TIMING. Satan enters into THE beast about mid-trib. Then and only then does the beast reach the zenith of his miraculous power. To the degree where the entire world says this about HIM:

Rev 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

The world considers THE beast aka THE horn aka THE lawless one to be an UNKILLABLE supernaturally powered entity, and CONSEQUENTLY immediately aligns with him.

This son of perdition is the GREATER Judas, the GREATER Goliath among other historical "types".
In the final form, he is indwelt by Satan (who was cast down to earth in Chapter 12), and is a literal demonic HYBRID entity as was Goliath and the pre-flood giants. In other words a literal Satan-man!

The clearest text is Revelation 13:2:


The Dragon has already been identified explicitly as Satan:


So Revelation's chain is:

Satan/Dragon → Beast → satanic power, throne, authority.

Then Revelation 13:4 makes the relationship even stronger:


Thus worship of the Beast is simultaneously connected with worship of Satan.

However, that is still technically empowerment, not an explicit statement of indwelling.

The closest biblical precedent for literal satanic entrance is Judas Iscariot:


and even more explicitly:


That gives us an actual biblical category in which Satan personally enters and controls a human being.

This is why some dispensational/futurist interpreters see Judas as an important type or foreshadowing of Antichrist. Both Judas and the final opponent are called “the son of perdition.”

Judas:


Antichrist:


That verbal parallel is very striking.

Paul further describes the Antichrist's arrival as:


Greek:


meaning approximately:

“according to the activity/working of Satan.”

So Paul explicitly attributes his supernatural activity to Satanic operation.

There is also Revelation 13's apparent death-and-restoration event:


and:


and:



There is another suggestive parallel in Revelation 11 and 17. The Beast is repeatedly described as coming from the abyss:

A bit messed up there CV.
The words "the" and "Antichrist" do not come together in the Bible, and nobody is named by that title in Revelations.
The beast that we are introduced to in the beginning of Rev. 13 is not one person, but an entire institution i.e. heads. horns and crowns.
It bears characteristics of the previous empires that we are introduced to in Daniel, i.e. leopard, bear and lion.
John speaks specifically about a particular representative of this beast in verses that follows.
Are you building your entire argument on the fact that he said "the beast"?

 

[Kroogz]

Indeed, the fact that Israel is the focus of worldwide "attention" is lost on so many here.

Yup. "No such thing as Israel ," "Israel is non existent", " God is done with Israel.", "we are all the same."

It's not lost on me, even the "deniers" focus on them(Israel).

I've never seen so much focus on a "supposed" Non existent entity..............Even in their denial(Israel) of the Lord Jesus Christ, they are a HUGE witness.

 

[Genez]

Indeed, the fact that Israel is the focus of worldwide "attention" is lost on so many here.
But this remains an ever present daily reality despite the strident denials.....

Do you find it incomprehensible and uncanny that the present day reformation per Ezekiel 37 escapes their scrutiny?
Yea, so do I....

I am not familiar enough with Ezekiel 37 to see the point you are making.

 

[Kroogz]

Indeed, the fact that Israel is the focus of worldwide "attention" is lost on so many here.
But this remains an ever present daily reality despite the strident denials.....

Do you find it incomprehensible and uncanny that the present day reformation per Ezekiel 37 escapes their scrutiny?
Yea, so do I....

It is sad @cv5, Israel is arguably a better witness for the Lord Jesus Christ than most believers today.

 

[WayneNSO]

It is rather sad. I got all bent when I learned that early missionaries were allowing pagans to drag some of their pagan practices into the Christian church just to appease them in an effort to convert them. That's just not the way to convert people.

When Church and state are combined like it was with the Roman Church then it is all about politics and keeping a peaceful rule.

***THE*** (definite article singular) man of sin aka THE little horn is the anti-Christ of Revelation.

The biblical languages do not merely permit a singular personal Antichrist; several of the principal NT designations explicitly demand a definite singular referent: ὁ ἄνθρωπος (“THE man”), ὁ υἱός (“THE son”), ὁ ἄνομος (“THE lawless one”), ὁ ἀντίχριστος (“THE Antichrist”), and τὸ θηρίον (“THE Beast”). Daniel likewise progresses from “a little horn” to the determinate “THE horn.”

So no, the dynastic and historical Papacy is not THE SINGULAR lawless one of 2 Thes 2 and Revelation.

And FYI, this beast is a literal Satan-man counterfeit, who is the direct antithesis of the God-man.
And don't fail to recognize the TIMING. Satan enters into THE beast about mid-trib. Then and only then does the beast reach the zenith of his miraculous power. To the degree where the entire world says this about HIM:

Rev 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

The world considers THE beast aka THE horn aka THE lawless one to be an UNKILLABLE supernaturally powered entity, and CONSEQUENTLY immediately aligns with him.

This son of perdition is the GREATER Judas, the GREATER Goliath among other historical "types".
In the final form, he is indwelt by Satan (who was cast down to earth in Chapter 12), and is a literal demonic HYBRID entity as was Goliath and the pre-flood giants. In other words a literal Satan-man!

The clearest text is Revelation 13:2:


The Dragon has already been identified explicitly as Satan:


So Revelation's chain is:

Satan/Dragon → Beast → satanic power, throne, authority.

Then Revelation 13:4 makes the relationship even stronger:


Thus worship of the Beast is simultaneously connected with worship of Satan.

However, that is still technically empowerment, not an explicit statement of indwelling.

The closest biblical precedent for literal satanic entrance is Judas Iscariot:


and even more explicitly:


That gives us an actual biblical category in which Satan personally enters and controls a human being.

This is why some dispensational/futurist interpreters see Judas as an important type or foreshadowing of Antichrist. Both Judas and the final opponent are called “the son of perdition.”

Judas:


Antichrist:


That verbal parallel is very striking.

Paul further describes the Antichrist's arrival as:


Greek:


meaning approximately:

“according to the activity/working of Satan.”

So Paul explicitly attributes his supernatural activity to Satanic operation.

There is also Revelation 13's apparent death-and-restoration event:


and:


and:



There is another suggestive parallel in Revelation 11 and 17. The Beast is repeatedly described as coming from the abyss:

So you ignore the fact that a beast in Bible prophecy is a kingdom as in Daniel and Revelation and see a fantastical super-being instead. We all miss the supernatural childrens stories we were told as Children but there comes a time when we have to grow up.

 

[Genez]

Name one by one, which one is not true?

Israel never bomb anyone?
Israel never reject Jesus?
Israel never started pedophile ring?

...... To name a few?

Israel never flew suicide bombers into the Twin Towers.
Israelis do not see beating their wives as doing God's will.
Israelis will not push homosexuals off of building tops.
60 year old Israeli men will not marry 9 year old girls.
Israelis will not try to kill all the nice dogs in your neighborhood if they could.
And, Israelis will not want to behead you if you refuse to worship the God of Moses.

You need to catch up with what the fake news media will not let you know.

 

[Genez]

Israel never started pedophile ring?

You mean that dating service they started to lure in older Muslim men seeking a wife?

You are in the dark!

 

[Kroogz]

Name one by one, which one is not true?

Israel never bomb anyone?
Israel never reject Jesus?
Israel never started pedophile ring?

Why is Israel of any concern? Good Lord, look at some of the other countries on this planet!


I know why Israel is of concern.............God is not done with them.