My name is Robin, Robin Riley, call me Robin ... My interest is in the Pauline scriptures; historically there are 13 of these that are associated with Paul ... I have compiled my own translations of these, from the Greek to English, using the Robinson and Pierpont Byzantine Textform (RP2026). I have taught myself the necessary Greek, so do not let that deter anyone, I am just a layman at all of this ... I have just spent and lot of time and effort in getting to this point in my studies ... and miles to go, miles to go before I sleep. I do not see any topics, herein, that on the surface look like something that I would actively engage in .. I might post a comment or two, if the topic proved interesting, but again, my interests are not so much about doctrine, or day to day issues, nor all that much about questions outside of the Pauline Epistles ... but again, if a topic is interesting, I will join in to some extent. Hopefully, if I post a topic ... which you might at first tend to shy away from because it is too down in the weeds ... I will try to make my topics interesting enough to at least enlist a comment or two from some of you. Maybe then, we cold have a real discussion going ... Well that's me, and that' my practice ... Feel free to get back with me, if you have some comment or such?
Testing the Waters
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Hello Robin (@RWRiley), welcome to CChat 
I'm glad that you found us and joined in the discussions with us 
God bless you!!
I'm glad that you found us and joined in the discussions with us God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy1 Thessalonians 5
23 May the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body
be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass.
.Good evening "Deuteronomy" ... might I call you "Deut" ...Hello Robin (@RWRiley), welcome to CChat
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy
1 Thessalonians 523 May the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass. .
As I said in my introduction, I have compiled my own Greek to English translations ... so I thought that you might be interested in these for your two cited verses ... And, I do happen to like these two verses a lot; I'm thinking the you do as well... Do you think that I will "fit" herein with this group ... again, I'm purposefully testing the waters ... because I a, rather focused on just paying close attention to the actual words and there use, rather than the message they are said to convey. That is, I've come to the conclusion, after almost 80 years, that it's important (for me) to first get the wording as correct as possible, before I delve into what that wording might mean. I've tried it the other way, first the meaning and only then the wording ... not the best route to take, believe me, Hanna!
5:23 Yet, the same God of~the peace, to~you wholly-finished [ones] (and the wholly-allotted spirit of~yours), may He sanctify; and the soul and the body, in with~the being-beside-presence of~Yeshua Anointed (the Lord of~ours), may it be guarded blamelessly.
Αὐτὸς δὲ ὁ θεὸς τῆς εἰρήνης ἁγιάσαι ὑμᾶς ὁλοτελεῖς·καὶ ὁλόκληρον ὑμῶν τὸ πνεῦμα καὶ ἡ ψυχὴ καὶ τὸ
σῶμα ἀμέμπτως ἐν τῇ παρουσίᾳ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ χριστοῦ τηρηθείη.
a~same [One] {0846 P-NSM} yet {1161 CONJ} the [One] {3588 T-NSM} a~God {2316 N-NSM} of~the [one] {3588 T-GSF} of~a~peace {1515 N-GSF} He may sanctify {0037 V-AAO-3S} to~you {1473 P-2AP} to~wholly-finished [ones] {3651 A-APM} and {2532 CONJ} a~wholly-allotted [thing] {3648 A-NSN} of~yours {1473 P-2GP} the [thing] {3588 T-NSN} a~spirit {4151 N-NSN} and {2532 CONJ} the [one] {3588 T-NSF} a~soul {5590 N-NSF} and {2532 CONJ} the [thing] {3588 T-NSN} a~body {4983 N-NSN} blamelessly {0274 ADV} in {1722 PREP} unto~the [one] {3588 T-DSF} unto~a~being-beside-presence {3952 N-DSF} of~the [One] {3588 T-GSM} of~a~Lord {2962 N-GSM} of~ours {1473 P-1GP} of~Yeshua/ of~Jesus {2424 N-GSM} of~an~Anointed/ of~a~Christ {5547 N-GSM} it may be guarded {5083 V-APO-3S}
5:24 The trustable [God] to~you calling, which~a [God], He will do, also.
Πιστὸς ὁ καλῶν ὑμᾶς, ὃς καὶ ποιήσει.
a~trustable [One] {4103 A-NSM} the [One] {3588 T-NSM} calling {2564 V-PAP-NSM} to~you {1473 P-2AP} which~a [One] {3739 R-NSM} also {2532 CONJ} He will do {4160 V-FAI-3S}
Hi RWRiley welcome to CC, nice to have you joining us! I think your studies and approach would be welcome in the BDF (Bible Discussion Forum) and after having a browse through some of the topics, consider posing a Thread for sure. God bless you and your endeavors
As a new person here, I am not familiar with all of this sites resources ... I have looked around, even found the "blog" site ... which looks interesting ... but I do to know what you mean by "...in the BDF (Bible Discussion Forum)" ... That is, it looks like you are telling me that there are private chat sites associated with this forum? These are not readily apparent to me ,... where would I look for access to these? .... Aside: I did try posting a new topic thread, it appeared to take, even took a second entry from me to clarify a point in the first entry, but now I notice that it has been deleted ... it was. rather a. benign attempt to delve into some research I'd done on the Greek word for grace ... so there was not reason for it to be deleted ... so as originally indicated, I am just testing the waters, here, and apparently not doing all that well?? Thanks for the "heart" ... for the salutation and acknowledgement ... get back with me, ok?Hi RWRiley welcome to CC, nice to have you joining us! I think your studies and approach would be welcome in the BDF (Bible Discussion Forum) and after having a browse through some of the topics, consider posing a Thread for sure. God bless you and your endeavors
The BDF is one of the Forums here where Biblical related topics are discussed and 'debated'. When someone posts a Thread it may take a while to be approved if a 'Mod'(erator) is not on site. I don't see why your post would be deleted as you described it, if you want to check out the guidelines for CC, go to Terms of Service at the bottom of the page. Hope you keep trying!
Thank you ... see now that it was the restored ... it was a good review, perhaps you would be interested in it; perhaps not? it really does not matter to me, there's other much I can share with others, that's not mine to do .. I try, but that's god's to decide, and He does have an interesting sense of humor, dont you think! Ah, alls well .. we have met, and talked ... it;s a good thing, that ... perhaps that's all? its yours to take it further. Ahhhh ... I've some expectation of an actual discussion of scripture, but expectations and butterflies are little wings in the wind, anoint they? God bless, we will see what we will see ... I aint a hiding me breath...
Today's distractions have apparently brought cause of "drifting away from God",
and to the point of a great spiritual neglect of spiritual principles.
Tall_Timbers
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Hi RWRiley,
In your studies, have you come across the Greek word pisteuo? If so, do you have any comments about it?
Jay
(Robin)
Thank you for the greeting .... my comments about it?
Working with First graders can sometimes be a wake-up call ...
Ask the what "faith" was ... the best answer, among the few I got back was ..."She's my next door neighbor, the one who babysits"
But when I ask them what "trust" was ... they all had answers, and it made for a very good afternoon conversation.
I do have comments, but I tend to keep them to myself, because I'm often wrong, or they do not come across as intended.
However, I can give you some of my research on the word ... from the ten Pauline Epistles and the three Pastorals ...
4100 GK4409 episteusa (P1/1) I had trusted V-AAI-1S.5656
4100 GK4409 episteusamen (P2) we had trusted V-AAI-1P.5656
4100 GK4409 episteusate (3) you had trusted V-AAI-2P.5656
4100 GK4409 *episteuse *GCT, different spelling (phonetic) he had trusted V-AAI-3S.5656
4100 GK4409 episteusen (5) he had trusted V-AAI-3S.5656
4100 GK4409 episteusan (1) they had trusted V-AAI-3P.5656
4100 GK4409 pisteusai (1) to trust V-AAN.5658
4100 GK4409 pisteusantes (2) having trusted V-AAP-NPM.5660
4100 GK4409 pisteusasin (1) unto~having trusted V-AAP-DPM.5660
4100 GK4409 pisteusEis+ (P1/1) you should trust V-AAS-2S.5661
4100 GK4409 *pisteusOsin *GCT, parsing difference they should trust V-AAS-3P.5661
4100 GK4409 episteuthEn (T2) I was entrusted V-API-1S.5681
4100 GK4409 episteuthE (P1/ T1) it/ He was entrusted V-API-3S.5681
4100 GK4409 episteuthEsan (P1/1) they were entrusted V-API-3P.5681
4100 GK4409 pisteuthEnai (P1/1) to be entrusted V-APN.5683
4100 GK4409 pisteusousin (P1/1) they will trust V-FAI-3P.5692
4100 GK4409 pisteuO (1) I trust V-PAI-1S.5719
4100 GK4409 pisteuomen (3) we trust V-PAI-1P.5719
4100 GK4409 pisteuei (3) she/ he trusts V-PAI-3S.5719
4100 GK4409 pisteuein (2/ 1) to trust V-PAN.5721
4100 GK4409 pisteuOn (2) trusting V-PAP-NSM.5723
4100 GK4409 pisteuontOn (1) of~trusting V-PAP-GPM.5723
4100 GK4409 pisteuonti (3) unto~trusting V-PAP-DSM.5723
4100 GK4409 *pisteuousi *GCT, different spelling (phonetic) unto~trusting V-PAP-DPM.5723
4100 GK4409 pisteuousin (6) unto~trusting V-PAP-DPM.5723
4100 GK4409 pisteuontas (3) to~trusting V-PAP-APM.5723
4100 GK4409 pisteuetai (P1/1) she is entrusted V-PPI-3S.5743
4100 GK4409 pepisteuka (T1/1) I have had trusted V-RAI-1S.5758
4100 GK4409 pepisteukotes (1) having had trusted V-RAP-NPM.5761
4100 GK4409 pepisteumai (P2) I have had been entrusted V-RPI-1S.5769
4102 GK4411 pistis (16) a~trust/ a~trustfulness N-NSF.09
4102 GK4411 pisteOs (65/ 9) of~a~trust N-GSF.10
4102 GK4411 pistei (16/ 11) unto~a~trust/ unto~a~trustfulness N-DSF.11
4102 GK4411 pistin (12/ 12) to~a~trust N-ASF.12
4103 GK4412 pistos (10/ 7) a~trustable [one/ One] A-NSM.01
4103 GK4412 pistou (1) of~a~trustful [one] A-GSM.02
4103 GK4412 pistOi+ (3) unto~a~trusting [one] A-DSM.03
4103 GK4412 piston (1) to~a~trustable [one] A-ASM.04
4103 GK4412 pistoi (1) trusting [ones] A-NPM.05
4103 GK4412 pistOn (T2/1) of~trusting [ones] A-GPM.06
4103 GK4412 pistois (P2/ T2) unto~trusting [ones] A-DPM.07
4103 GK4412 pistous (T1/1) to~trusting [ones] A-APM.08
4103 GK4412 pistE (T1/1) a~trusting [one] A-NSF.09
4103 GK4412 pistas (T1/1) to~trusting [ones] A-APF.16
4103 GK4412 piston (P1/1) a~trustable [thing] A-NSN.17
4103 GK4412 pista (1) to~trusting [things] A-APN.24
The Layman’s Companion (TLC) includes a comprehensive listing of all the different word-forms (inflections, parsings, and spellings), found in the 13 epistles traditionally attributed to the Apostle Paulos. There are 6753 different word-forms; 591 of which are unique, or hapax legomena (<span>H</span>1~). Also included, are 244 alternate word-forms used in such Greek Critical Texts*GCT as the “Greek New Testament SBL Edition” (SBLGNT), by Michael Holmes (as reviewed against Tregelles; Westcott and Hort; Tisehendorf; and, the Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum). Listed here by both the Strong’s, and the Goodrick/ Kohlenberger (GK) numbering systems, each word is noted by the number of times used; a suggested English reading; and the applicable parsing/ inflection coding (along with a corresponding two-diget, or four-digit number used for sorting). Many Greek words can be read in alternate ways, but the parsings/ inflections given here reflect those found in “The New Testament in The Original Greek - Byzantine Textform” (RP2018), by Maurice Robinson and William Pierpont. Second-person, plural pronouns are indicated via a double underline; iota subscripts are indicated with a subscripted plus (+); and, the horizontal (||) annotations are included to show where Nomina Sacra (NS) abbreviations have been editorially enhanced into whole words. The data in parenthesis (1) accounts not only for the occurrences of a word-form, but also indicates if it is uniquely Pauline (<span>P</span>1). This marking can also indicate if the word-form is found in just one of the ten existent Pauline epistles (<span>P</span>1/1). Similarly, the marking (<span>T</span>1) indicates a word-form only used in the three Pastoral epistles; thus, the combination marking of (<span>P</span>1/ T1) is indicative of a word-form only used in both the Pauline and Pastorial epistles. All of the highlighted words (below) are either those used in both sets of epistles, or those just used in the Pastorials. There are only 666 commonly shared words; that is, 1264 of the 1930 different Pastoral word-forms (65.49%) were never used by the Apostle Paulos in his ten previously written epistles (compiled over a span of about twelve years).