Satan has been behind you all day. Or is he in front of you?, hard to tell with all the smoke.
Replacement theology? Yes or No.
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I could say the same thing about many here who are rejecting the Word of God for what it says. You don't have to speak like a dragon to be a lost soul unworthy of the Holy Spirit because of your rejection of God/Jesus' word.
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unworthy of the Holy Spirit?? That is Dragon speech if there ever was! You are not the Lord! You cant judge who is worthy. Wow, the blatant disregard of his authority.
Let me ask you a question straight out and I want a direct answer. No wishy washy mush. Do you really think people who are praying to Mary or the saints are doing so because they are filled with the Holy Spirit?! That's NOT what Jesus said to do, it is disobeying His word. I just showed you what can happen to ANYONE, including a POPE, when people choose to make the wrong choices and follow the wrong people instead of the Word of God.
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I do not find a biblical example of believers praying to departed saints, nor do I find any apostolic instruction to do so.
Therefore, I cannot attribute that practice to the teaching of the Holy Spirit.
However, I would also be careful not to declare that every person who does it is unsaved.
The practice itself should be tested by Scripture, and I do not believe Scripture supports it.
What's that saying, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"? I'm not saying what I do out of hate for people, but as a warning as to how subtle Satan can work. The Catholic church endorses those Marian visions, like the Lady of Fatima and the Lady of Guadalupe. It sounds innocent enough when you don't read the transcripts of those visions carefully. Those visions show Mary stating things like asking people to build churches in HER honor, to pray to (the Rosary) and seek HER, in order to gain favor and protection. Do you think the real mother of Jesus would ever say such a thing? When people invoke Mary in their prayers, they are opening a door for any other spirit to come in to deceive them without even realizing it. God/Jesus isn't going to be very forgiving for people who fall into the Marian worship trap. If Pope John Paul II had read His Bible instead of following philosophers, mystics, and people like Manafort, he'd know better. So, Jesus expects us to know His word to escape the traps of Satan. Rejecting what God/Jesus taught in his word makes people ripe to be fooled by Satan and a future Anti-Christ. He'll be as subtle as Satan.
So, if people really took the time to research what really happened AFTER the vision of the Lady at Guadalupe, they'd find that all those Mexicans they thought converted did nothing but go back to calling Mary by the name of their former pagan goddess a short time later. Allowing pagan cultural practices to seep into Christianity was a HUGE MISTAKE and the Catholic church allowed it to happen.
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@OMC, I'll let you in on something else some Catholic churches endorse. Some of them actually offer a 33 day course on Marian Consecration and how to TOTALLY consecrate yourself to Mary. Those classes TEACH people to offer their bodies, souls, and lives to Mary as a means to get to Jesus Christ, and that's no joke. THIS is how SATAN works. Most Catholics don't think anything of it because they've been CONDITIONED to believe whatever their church tells them is safe and if they leave the Catholic church, that they no longer are a member of the church of God. This is NOT how Christianity should be practiced.
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Well well. The PhD Bible answer man didn't actually have any answers did he? And ran for cover when called upon to commit to answer this simple question:
"Please, I beg you, LIST if you can 3-5 significant "eschatological heresies" that you have identified on this thread."
And when defeated and exposed as a hapless rube rather than the astute scholar he claims to be, he hurls fresh Papal bull cow patties in a fit of infantile churlish angst.
Indeed, after 31K posts, you become quite expert at reading the room. And I had @OMC pegged a long long time ago....
Love you too.Well well. The PhD Bible answer man didn't actually have any answers did he? And ran for cover when called upon to commit to answer this simple question:
"Please, I beg you, LIST if you can 3-5 significant "eschatological heresies" that you have identified on this thread."
And when defeated and exposed as a hapless rube rather than the astute scholar he claims to be, he hurls fresh Papal bull cow patties in a fit of infantile churlish angst.
Indeed, after 31K posts, you become quite expert at reading the room. And I had @OMC pegged a long long time ago....
I'm not sure whether I've walked into a storm in a tea cup, or some persons personal agenda, but either way as Christians we should always be on guard against demons and against demonising each other, I'm concerned and I can see over the top of this behaviour, but I have to say it's not very mature and only shows a lack of spiritual growth,
Sorry, but I've had enough of these conversations with people of the above denomination to know when I'm being lied to and when they are deceiving themselves. There's no polite way to warn people of these types of things. Like I said, it wasn't being spoken out of hatefulness. Sometimes, the truth just hurts and people want to blame the person who's dishing it out.
Well well. The PhD Bible answer man didn't actually have any answers did he? And ran for cover when called upon to commit to answer this simple question:
"Please, I beg you, LIST if you can 3-5 significant "eschatological heresies" that you have identified on this thread."
And when defeated and exposed as a hapless rube rather than the astute scholar he claims to be, he hurls fresh Papal bull cow patties in a fit of infantile churlish angst.
Indeed, after 31K posts, you become quite expert at reading the room. And I had @OMC pegged a long long time ago....
OMC doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings for fear that they won't respond to his messaging, but a few of these people aren't responding to the Word of God anyway. I can't blame him for that, but it was childish for him to start a challenge with you in the first place. I'm sure he thought that it didn't matter what scripture you presented as long as he could get everyone to dislike or ignore you for your harsh way of speaking to people. And it can be excessive. Most people are not going to respond well to that.
I know what you mean about being able to read people, that's how I know exactly what denomination the ones come from who evade questions and lie to me.
When we put all of the verses in the Bible together to prove this point, it's unmistakable for those who know how to read it.
Israel's present condition — but not permanently
Israel's present condition — but not permanently
- Deuteronomy 4:29–31 — Israel will seek the LORD in the latter days, and God will not forsake or destroy them nor forget His covenant.
- Deuteronomy 30:1–6 — After Israel experiences blessing and cursing and is scattered, she will return to the LORD; God will have compassion upon her, gather her from the nations, and circumcise her heart.
- Leviticus 26:40–45 — When Israel confesses her iniquity, God will remember His covenant with Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham and will not utterly destroy His people.
- 1 Kings 8:46–53 — When Israel is carried captive and turns again to God, He will hear their prayer, forgive them, and have compassion upon them.
- 2 Chronicles 30:6–9 — Israel is called to return to the LORD, with the promise that He is gracious and merciful and will not turn His face away if they return.
- Isaiah 1:9 — A remnant is preserved.
- Isaiah 6:13 — A holy seed remains after judgment.
- Isaiah 10:20–22 — The remnant of Israel will return to the mighty God.
- Isaiah 11:11–12 — The Lord will recover the remnant of His people from the nations.
- Isaiah 27:6, 12–13 — Israel will ultimately blossom and be gathered, and the scattered people will return and worship the LORD in Jerusalem.
- Jeremiah 3:12–14 — God calls faithless Israel to return, saying He is merciful and will not remain angry forever.
- Jeremiah 3:18–19 — Judah and Israel will be gathered together.
- Jeremiah 23:3–8 — God promises to gather the remnant of His flock out of all countries and restore them.
- Jeremiah 30:3 — God promises to bring Israel and Judah back to the land given to their fathers.
- Jeremiah 30:7–11 — Jacob experiences “the time of Jacob's trouble,” but God promises to save him.
- Jeremiah 31:7–10 — God saves the remnant of Israel and gathers them from the ends of the earth.
- Jeremiah 31:20 — God calls Ephraim His dear son and says, “therefore my bowels are troubled for him: I will surely have mercy upon him.”
- Jeremiah 31:31–34 — God promises a new covenant with the house of Israel and Judah, including forgiveness of iniquity.
- Jeremiah 32:36–42 — God promises to gather Israel, give them one heart and one way, make an everlasting covenant with them, and do them good.
- Jeremiah 33:6–9 — God promises healing, cleansing, forgiveness, restoration, and peace to Jerusalem.
- Jeremiah 33:14–26 — God's covenant promises to Israel and Judah will be fulfilled.
God promises specifically to have mercy upon Israel
- Isaiah 14:1 — “For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land.”
- Isaiah 30:18 — “Therefore will the LORD wait, that he may be gracious unto you, and therefore will he be exalted, that he may have mercy upon you.”
- Isaiah 49:13 — The LORD has comforted His people and will have mercy upon His afflicted.
- Isaiah 54:7–10 — God says He has forsaken Israel for a small moment but will gather her with great mercies and everlasting kindness.
- Isaiah 55:7 — The wicked are called to return to the LORD, “and he will have mercy upon him.”
- Isaiah 60:10 — God says, “I had mercy on thee.”
- Isaiah 63:7 — Isaiah remembers the LORD's mercies toward Israel.
- Jeremiah 12:14–15 — God promises, “I will have compassion upon them, and will bring them again.”
- Jeremiah 31:20 — “I will surely have mercy upon him, saith the LORD.”
- Ezekiel 39:25 — “Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel.”
- Hosea 1:6–7 — God distinguishes judgment from the future mercy He will show.
- Hosea 2:19–23 — God restores His relationship with Israel and says, “I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy.”
- Hosea 14:4 — “I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely.”
- Micah 7:18–20 — God pardons iniquity, passes over transgression, and will again have compassion upon Israel.
- Zechariah 1:16–17 — The LORD says, “I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies.”
- Zechariah 10:6 — “I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them.”
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Israel's future repentance
- Deuteronomy 30:2–3 — Israel returns to God and obeys Him; then the LORD turns her captivity and has compassion upon her.
- Jeremiah 31:18–19 — Ephraim repents and turns back to God.
- Hosea 5:15–6:3 — God withdraws “till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face”; Israel then says, “Come, and let us return unto the LORD.”
- Hosea 14:1–4 — Israel returns to the LORD, confesses her sin, and God heals her backsliding.
- Zechariah 12:10 — God pours out “the spirit of grace and of supplications” upon Jerusalem, and they look upon the One whom they pierced and mourn.
- Zechariah 13:1 — A fountain is opened for the house of David and Jerusalem “for sin and for uncleanness.”
- Zechariah 13:8–9 — A remnant is refined; they call upon God's name, and He answers them.
- Zechariah 14:1–5 — Jerusalem experiences great distress, and the LORD intervenes personally.
- Matthew 23:37–39 — Jesus laments Jerusalem and says she will not see Him “till” she says, “Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
- Luke 13:34–35 — The parallel account of Jesus' lament over Jerusalem and the future saying of Psalm 118:26.
- Romans 11:25–27 — Israel's blindness lasts “until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in”; then “all Israel shall be saved.”
- Romans 11:28–29 — Israel remains beloved “for the fathers' sakes,” and “the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.”
- Romans 11:30–32 — Israel's present unbelief is followed by mercy: “that he might have mercy upon all.”
God cleansing Israel from sin
- Isaiah 4:3–4 — The LORD washes away the filth of Zion.
- Isaiah 33:24 — The inhabitants of Jerusalem have their iniquity forgiven.
- Isaiah 44:21–23 — God blots out Israel's transgressions and calls her to return.
- Isaiah 59:20–21 — “The Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob.”
- Jeremiah 31:34 — “I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
- Jeremiah 33:8 — God cleanses His people from their iniquity and pardons their sins.
- Ezekiel 36:24–28 — God gathers Israel, cleanses her, gives her a new heart and spirit, and restores her to the land.
- Ezekiel 37:23–28 — God saves Israel from her uncleanness, makes an everlasting covenant with her, and establishes His sanctuary among them.
- Ezekiel 39:29 — “Neither will I hide my face any more from them.”
- Daniel 9:24 — Seventy weeks are determined for Israel and Jerusalem to “finish the transgression,” “make an end of sins,” “make reconciliation for iniquity,” and bring in everlasting righteousness.
- Zechariah 3:8–9 — The LORD removes the iniquity of the land.
- Zechariah 13:1 — A fountain is opened for cleansing from sin.
God regathers Israel from the nations
- Deuteronomy 30:3–5 — God gathers Israel from all nations and brings them back to the land.
- Isaiah 11:11–12 — The LORD gathers the dispersed of Israel.
- Isaiah 27:12–13 — The children of Israel are gathered and worship the LORD in Jerusalem.
- Isaiah 43:5–7 — God gathers His sons and daughters from the ends of the earth.
- Isaiah 49:8–13 — Israel is restored and gathered.
- Isaiah 54:1–10 — Jerusalem is restored after a period of abandonment.
- Jeremiah 16:14–15 — God brings Israel back to her land.
- Jeremiah 23:7–8 — God brings Israel back from the countries where she was scattered.
- Jeremiah 29:12–14 — Israel seeks God and He gathers her from the nations.
- Jeremiah 30:3 — Israel and Judah return to the land.
- Jeremiah 31:8–10 — God gathers Israel from the north and ends of the earth.
- Jeremiah 32:37 — God gathers Israel out of all countries.
- Ezekiel 11:17–20 — God gathers Israel and gives her a new heart.
- Ezekiel 20:33–38 — God regathers and purifies Israel.
- Ezekiel 34:11–16 — God Himself seeks, gathers, and feeds His scattered sheep.
- Ezekiel 36:24–28 — Israel is gathered and restored.
- Ezekiel 37:11–14 — God opens Israel's graves and brings them into the land.
- Ezekiel 37:21–28 — God gathers Israel, makes her one nation, and establishes His sanctuary among her.
- Amos 9:14–15 — Israel is planted securely in her land and will not again be uprooted.
- Zephaniah 3:19–20 — God gathers the outcasts and restores His people.
- Zechariah 8:7–8 — God saves His people from east and west and brings them to Jerusalem.
God's mercy specifically toward Jerusalem
- Isaiah 30:19 — “For the people shall dwell in Zion at Jerusalem: thou shalt weep no more: he will be very gracious unto thee.”
- Isaiah 40:1–2 — “Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.”
- Isaiah 51:3 — The LORD comforts Zion and makes her wilderness like Eden.
- Isaiah 52:9 — The LORD comforts His people and redeems Jerusalem.
- Isaiah 54:11–17 — Jerusalem is rebuilt and established in righteousness.
- Isaiah 60:1–22 — Zion is glorified and the nations come to her light.
- Isaiah 62:1–12 — Jerusalem receives a new name and is no longer forsaken.
- Isaiah 65:17–19 — Jerusalem becomes a joy and her people a rejoicing.
- Jeremiah 31:38–40 — Jerusalem is rebuilt and becomes holy to the LORD.
- Jeremiah 33:9 — Jerusalem becomes a name of joy, praise, and honor among the nations.
- Zechariah 1:14–17 — “I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies.”
- Zechariah 2:10–12 — The LORD comes to dwell in the midst of Jerusalem.
- Zechariah 8:2–8 — The LORD says, “I was jealous for Zion with a great jealousy,” and promises to return and dwell in Jerusalem.
- Zechariah 8:13 — Judah and Israel will become a blessing among the nations.
- Zechariah 14:8–11 — Jerusalem is secure, inhabited, and exalted under the reign of the LORD.
The LORD personally intervenes to save Jerusalem
- Isaiah 31:4–5 — The LORD protects Jerusalem like a bird protecting its young.
- Isaiah 37:32–35 — God promises to defend Jerusalem and save it for His own sake and David's sake.
- Joel 2:30–32 — Whoever calls upon the name of the LORD shall be delivered; the context concerns Zion and Jerusalem.
- Joel 3:16–21 — The LORD roars from Zion, protects His people, and dwells in Zion.
- Zechariah 12:2–9 — God protects Jerusalem and destroys the nations attacking her.
- Zechariah 14:1–5 — The LORD goes forth against the nations and stands upon the Mount of Olives.
- Zechariah 14:9 — “And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.”
- Zechariah 14:12–16 — The nations that attacked Jerusalem are judged, and survivors worship the King.
- Matthew 23:37–39 — Jerusalem will not see Jesus again until she says, “Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
- Luke 13:34–35 — Jesus repeats the same prophecy concerning Jerusalem.
- Matthew 19:28 — Jesus tells the apostles they will sit upon twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel in the regeneration.
- Matthew 24:30–31 — The Son of Man appears in glory and gathers His elect.
- Matthew 26:29 — Jesus speaks of drinking the fruit of the vine again with His disciples in His Father's kingdom.
- Luke 21:24–28 — Jerusalem is trodden down for a period, followed by the coming of the Son of Man and redemption drawing near.
- Acts 1:6–7 — Jesus does not deny the disciples' expectation of the restoration of the kingdom to Israel; He says the timing belongs to the Father.
- Acts 3:19–21 — Repentance is connected with “the times of refreshing” and “the times of restitution of all things.”
- Romans 11:25–27 — The clearest Pauline statement: Israel's partial blindness lasts until the appointed fullness, followed by salvation and the Deliverer coming to Zion.
- Romans 15:8–12 — Christ is identified as the minister of the circumcision in fulfillment of God's promises to the fathers.
Well done @Revelation1v8 . Everyone on the thread should archive those posts.
Is that enough evidence to convince anybody and everybody of the certainty of the prophesied redemption of the Nation Israel?
Indeed it is.
Now we need to ask ourselves: why have the detractors chosen to deny, dismiss, and rebel against the Word of the Lord?
Is that enough evidence to convince anybody and everybody of the certainty of the prophesied redemption of the Nation Israel?
Indeed it is.
Now we need to ask ourselves: why have the detractors chosen to deny, dismiss, and rebel against the Word of the Lord?
Not as much as YHVH loves his wife the Nation Israel. Not even close.
As we can see illustrated and personified here in Judges 15. Obviously prophetic don't you think?
I have already predicted your response: "these passages prove nothing".
But let me qualify your opinion: only to those who cannot see.....
Jdg 15:2
Her father said, “I really thought that you thoroughly hated her; therefore I gave her to your companion. Is not her younger sister better than she? Please, take her instead.”
Jdg 15:3
And Samson said to them, “This time I shall be blameless regarding the Philistines if I harm them!”
Jdg 15:4
Then Samson went and caught three hundred foxes; and he took torches, turned the foxes tail to tail, and put a torch between each pair of tails.
Jdg 15:5
When he had set the torches on fire, he let the foxes go into the standing grain of the Philistines, and burned up both the shocks and the standing grain, as well as the vineyards and olive groves.
Jdg 15:6
Then the Philistines said, “Who has done this?” And they answered, “Samson, the son-in-law of the Timnite, because he has taken his wife and given her to his companion.” So the Philistines came up and burned her and her father with fire.
Jdg 15:7
Samson said to them, “Since you would do a thing like this, I will surely take revenge on you, and after that I will cease.”
Jdg 15:8
So he attacked them hip and thigh with a great slaughter; then he went down and dwelt in the cleft of the rock of Etam.
Do hippy love cults use the Bible for its intended purpose?
Asking for a friend......