These folks just don't get it. They are too busy trying to change themselves and save themselves. Moral self-reformation is not a substitute for regeneration.
Obedience REQUIRED
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Yes.
Yes.
Shoe horn.
This is not in the verse. I sometimes think you are not even aware that you are shoehorning these into the passages that you are citing. There is no "demonstrating", there is simply obeying.
IOW, Jesus is not commanding them to "demonstrate" He is telling them to obey.
There is no "demonstrate" in this verse.
(sorry, I accidentally hit post above before I was ready)
Your entire wall of text makes the same type of error as Freed18 made by you treating repentance as an independent human work that is used to unlock grace. Scripture clearly states that repentance itself is a gift given by God. Acts 5:31 says Christ was exalted to give repentance to Israel, and Acts 11:18 says God granted repentance unto life. Romans 2:4 states that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance, and 2Timothy 2:25 notes that God gives repentance to the acknowledging of the truth. This repentance given by God is manifested in the changing of one's belief from a trust in man's works for salvation unto a total and complete trust in Christ as Savior for salvation. It is a change of mind and heart, not earthly performance - performance follows from that.
You cannot separate God's grace from repentance by making repentance into a human work. Ephesians 2:1 and 2:5 demonstrate that God alone makes us alive when we were dead in sins, with no human actions contributing whatsoever such as repentance. A dead person cannot perform works or manufacture repentance to give life to themselves. If grace is earned or maintained based on our repenting, then salvation is a payment for works and Christ is not THE Savior..
What is wrong with you? These are commands from God to us!
Jesus is not commanding Himself to perform obedience in us.
Nothing.
Yes, they are.
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
we don't have works!
not works alone!
not works of the flesh!
not works of the law!
we have the grace of justification, union with God thru Christ!
this grace must increase 2 pet 3:18
grace enables good works
Jn 15:4
2 cor 12:9
Romans 1:5
Colossians 1:6
and can lose grace by sin so we must abide in Christ Jn 15:1-6 and endure to the end mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13 rev 2:10
can lose grace by sin into death
James 1:12-15
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7
fragile can be lost
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)
begun in grace!
accompanied in grace!
completed in grace!
we have faithfulness in grace!
rom 5:1-2
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hebrews 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 12:28
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
(life of grace not eternal salvation)
thks
no problem!
it's all good!
1 Peter 5:5
...and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, andgiveth grace to the humble.
thks
I did answer. I'm sure you're now going to tell me how the plain meaning of scripture isn't the plain meaning of scripture.
Put down your shoehorn and open your ears. Continuing (or abiding) in His word is the defining proof that we are truly His disciples. Being a true disciple of Jesus is validated by a continued commitment to His teachings and not a shallow, temporary one.
ignoring and negating the word of God along with sin and error are the darkness referred to in 1 Jn 1:6-7
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
thks
1 Jn 5:11-12
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Jn 15:5 apart from Christ? nothing!
Phil 4:13 with Christ? all things!
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
thks
which comes first?
mt 5:7 blessed are the merciful they shall receive mercy
mt 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
mt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
(see God =eternal salvation)
mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life...
(life = eternal salvation)
mt 11:28-29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
(rest for our souls = eternal salvation)
thks
answer my question please. I don't answer questions to my questions.