Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Psalm1]

The elephant in the room is that the Jews preceded the church.
They're the first born.
They handed US THE BLESSING.
They NEVER LOST FIRSTBORN STANDING.

Here?

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly.."

1) Paul framed himself as a Jew WHILE BEING A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER.
2) He framed the Jews as his brethren , while being a believer.
3) Paul said the Gospel should be preached to the Jew first, then the gentile.

So it is not a concept of a bible blender, making everything fit by blenderizing verses.

 

[Aaron56]

The elephant in the room is that the Jews preceded the church.
They're the first born.
They handed US THE BLESSING.
They NEVER LOST FIRSTBORN STANDING.

You meant to say “Christ is the firstborn”, right?

“..the firstborn of all creation”

Your post is another example of how Christ must be ignored to permit a “gospel” from a double-minded god. Sheesh

 

[Psalm1]

Distraction? How about the absolute focus and bullseye of all "end-time" prophecy and geopolitical global attention beginning at ohhhhh say 1917 and then 1948 and then 1967 and so on and so forth.

Oh and BTW, this present "state" of Israel (now realized per Ezekiel 37) is inextricably conjoined sequentially and prophetically to the future REDEEMED and RESTORED "state" of Israel per Ezekiel 39-48.

Indeed, the only "distraction" going on around here is that of your own making and inclination.

Eze 39:22 - So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

Eze 39:28 - Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

Eze 39:29 - Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

I also find it v appalling that the live for Israel is non existent in RT and postribbers.
When I got saved the spirit of God became my existence.
In that new world I entered into, it was so incredible.
It was like a wonderland of love and God bubbling out of these new friends I found.

In all that came such a unexplainable love for israel.
It was not the devil imparting that love.

....and prior to that, israel was not even on my map.

 

[Revelation1v8]

You meant to say “Christ is the firstborn”, right?

“..the firstborn of all creation”

Your post is another example of how Christ must be ignored to permit a “gospel” from a double-minded god. Sheesh

It sounds like you could stand to read my post HERE again.

Jesus was the firstborn over all creation, but then Israel became HIS firstborn and the Gentile nations His second born.

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[HeIsHere]

I understand you on Gen 3:15 now, that is ok.

You have shared extensive verses and interpretations with me now, and I already know how you think.
You have been grabbing at anything that could possibly be used to promote modern Israel without regard to any other possible meaning.
Truth is not you highest priority, modern Israel is.
People have been studying the Bible free of that distraction for nearly 2000 years, and I have found that writers of former times had a far more balanced approach.

He shares verses but does not exegete them in context, always bear that in mind.
This is how false doctrine is formulated, over and over again.

 

[Revelation1v8]

He shares verses but does not exegete them in context, always bear that in mind.
This is how false doctrine is formulated, over and over again.

Keep reading as you might learn something in my responses to Beekeeper.

OR you could just keep injecting worthless comments where you HAVE NEVER backed up your view with scripture because we all know that you don't understand them.

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[HeIsHere]

Keep reading as you might learn something in my responses to Beekeeper.

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Dispensationalism, Darbyism and Scofield's erroneous hermeneutic is done, perhaps a few last gasps here and there, but it to will go into the dust bin of badly formulated doctrine to serve a political end.

That is why there really is no point even debating, it is becoming self -evident.

Of course there are always the fooled ones, the propagandists, the self-deceived ones who linger, thinking they can keep truth contained, but the tide of truth is unstoppable now,

God is always at work and He continues to raise up Christ minded men/women who will dismantle this false prevailing narrative.

 

[Psalm1]

You meant to say “Christ is the firstborn”, right?

“..the firstborn of all creation”

Your post is another example of how Christ must be ignored to permit a “gospel” from a double-minded god. Sheesh

The second born analogy is in 4 or so places in the OT.

But you are in a one dimensional thinking.
You have to go outside of strict pigeonholing to see the depth.

Example , Jesus is the son of God. Vs we are sons also.

GOD is His Father.
God is my Father.

The blessing mainly would go to the first born.
In Gods kingdom it goes to the second born.

IOW, WITHOUT the death of Bathshebas firstborn, Solomon would not be the second born.

So it fits certain applications and fails some others.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Dispensationalism, Darbyism and Scofield's erroneous hermeneutic is done, perhaps a few last gasps here and there, but it to will go into the dust bin of badly formulated doctrine to serve a political end.

That is why there really is no point even debating, it is becoming self -evident.

Of course there are always the fooled ones, the propagandists, the self-deceived ones who linger, thinking they can keep truth contained, but the tide of truth is unstoppable now,

God is always at work and He continues to raise up Christ minded men/women who will dismantle this false prevailing narrative.

Who's really the fooled one? You're the ONLY person left in this discussion who doesn't even believe in the Second Coming of Jesus. Even Beekeeper knows this truth, but you don't. Maybe you should ask yourself why that is.

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[cv5]

He shares verses but does not exegete them in context, always bear that in mind.
This is how false doctrine is formulated, over and over again.

I for one am thrilled to hear of God's gracious work on Abraham's behalf.
What then is your problem? Hardness of heart?

No amount of fraud can defy these passages so don't bother wasting the ink trying.

[Gen 26:2-5 KJV]
2 And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

 

[HeIsHere]

I for one am thrilled to hear of God's gracious work on Abraham's behalf.
What then is your problem? Hardness of heart?

No amount of fraud can defy these passages so don't bother wasting the ink trying.

[Gen 26:2-5 KJV]
2 And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Yes and who is him?

God working in history preparing the way for the promised messiah.

 

[Psalm1]

Dispensationalism, Darbyism and Scofield's erroneous hermeneutic is done, perhaps a few last gasps here and there, but it to will go into the dust bin of badly formulated doctrine to serve a political end.

That is why there really is no point even debating, it is becoming self -evident.

Of course there are always the fooled ones, the propagandists, the self-deceived ones who linger, thinking they can keep truth contained, but the tide of truth is unstoppable now,

God is always at work and He continues to raise up Christ minded men/women who will dismantle this false prevailing narrative.

Only RT's and postribbers bring up those false PowerPoints.
You yourself are using them.
Oh the irony.

 

[cv5]

Yes and who is him?

God working in history preparing the way for the promised messiah.

Is that it? Thats what you came up with as a response?
Non-specific pablum meant to dumb everyone down to the level of an infant?

IMO those who deny the promises given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are fools who despise wisdom and instruction.

Pro 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

 

[HeIsHere]

Only RT's and postribbers bring up those false PowerPoints.
You yourself are using them.
Oh the irony.

I am not an RT so try again.

 

[HeIsHere]

Is that it? Thats what you came up with as a response?
Non-specific pablum meant to dumb everyone down to the level of an infant?

IMO those who deny the promises given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are fools who despise wisdom and instruction.

Pro 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Oh of course never want to address the big picture which lays the foundation, lol!!

 

[cv5]

Oh of course never want to address the big picture which lays the foundation, lol!!

You "picture" excludes the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel in the milennium.
Why? Does this chafe against official Church supremacy dogma somehow?

Yes, Christ Jesus is in fact King of the Jews. And His throne will reside in a restored and glorified Jerusalem with the Levites doing services in it. Do you find this phenomenon......disturbing?

 

[Revelation1v8]

Yes and who is him?

God working in history preparing the way for the promised messiah.

The promised Messiah who you don't even believe when He said He was returning to earth?! The majority of the discussion in this thread is what happens AFTER Jesus returns. You can't even get through scripture enough to make it that far!

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[Revelation1v8]

You "picture" excludes the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel in the milennium.
Why? Does this chafe against official Church supremacy dogma somehow?

Yes, Christ Jesus is in fact King of the Jews. And His throne will reside in a restored and glorified Jerusalem with the Levites doing services in it. Do you find this phenomenon......disturbing?

HeIsHere's "picture" excludes the Second Coming of Jesus altogether, so don't expect much from him.

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[HeIsHere]

You "picture" excludes the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel in the milennium.
Why? Does this chafe against official Church supremacy dogma somehow?

Yes, Christ Jesus is in fact King of the Jews. And His throne will reside in a restored and glorified Jerusalem with the Levites doing services in it. Do you find this phenomenon......disturbing?

He is on His throne presently.
Believers are His temple.

 

[cv5]

The promised Messiah who you don't even believe when He said He was returning to earth?! The majority of the discussion in this thread is what happens AFTER Jesus returns. You can't even get through scripture enough to make it that far!

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We have already diligently inquired of @Beekeeper @HeIsHere @Churchgoer as to the TRIGGER that ushers in the Second Coming.
And we have discussed the primary PURPOSE of the Second Coming of Christ in power and great glory (hint: to rescue and deliver His wife the Nation Israel).

So ask yourself: What excuse remains to them?

Mat 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.