Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Beekeeper]

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Jesus' kingdom is heavenly, not earthly.
This is the restoration that was first offered to the children of Jacob.
It starts with a spiritual transformation of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33) and continues with more transformations to follow (1 Cor. 15).

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Can you please show me the unconditional part of the following passage:

Others gave the answer before I could return.

 

[cv5]

To say flesh isn't part of what is being considered is simply false. Otherwise, no new creation in man would be necessary.

Is it not obvious by now that your habit to pluck out one-liners in an effort to demolish demonstrably accurate and truly established Biblical doctrine is both folly and blameworthy?

Indeed, such is the calling card of the RTs, CTs, preterists, and amils on this thread who do likewise.

 

[cv5]

To say flesh isn't part of what is being considered is simply false. Otherwise, no new creation in man would be necessary.

You cannot read what was posted?

 

[cv5]

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Jesus' kingdom is heavenly, not earthly.
This is the restoration that was first offered to the children of Jacob.
It starts with a spiritual transformation of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33) and continues with more transformations to follow (1 Cor. 15).

Yet another epic failure to rightly divide the Word of truth and grasp what Paul is intending to convey on your part.

In 1 Corinthians 15, the apostle Paul uses the language of "putting on" (endysasthai, akin to putting on clothing) to describe the change that occurs at the resurrection.

To understand why "corruptible" and "mortal" refer specifically to a renewed physical body rather than a non-corporeal or purely spiritual existence, one must look at the immediate Greek terminology and the overall argument of the chapter.

The terms phtharton ("corruptible") and thneton ("mortal") specifically denote physical materiality subject to decay and death—qualities that belong exclusively to biological flesh. Paul explicitly grounds this transformation in the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus (1 Cor 15:12–20), which served as the "firstfruits" (aparche) or blueprint for believers. Christ's resurrected body was not a ghost or a dematerialized spirit, but a tangible, physical body capable of being touched and eating food (Luke 24:39–43), yet fully glorified and liberated from mortality.

Furthermore, Paul’s contrast earlier in the chapter between the "natural body" (soma psychikon) and the "spiritual body" (soma pneumatikon) in verse 44 reinforces physical continuity. In Greek, a soma always denotes a physical body; calling it pneumatikon does not mean "made of spirit" (intangible energy), but rather "empowered/animated by the Holy Spirit"—just as a "natural body" (soma psychikon) is animated by the natural soul, not literally made of soul-substance.

Therefore, when this mortal "puts on" immortality in verse 53, the underlying physical substrate (soma) is not discarded or replaced by an immaterial state; rather, the existing physical body is redeemed, transformed, and clothed with imperishable, heavenly life.

 

[Beekeeper]

Others gave the answer before I could return.

I am sorry, but nobody has yet answered my question about Genesis 17:10-14.
So far they have declined to talk about that passage.
Should I take it that all of you agree with me that the land promise as given to Abraham was both eternal and conditional?
I will post it again, but this time I will start from v.7, just to confirm the connection with the land promise.

Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be CUT OFF FROM HIS PEOPLE; he hath broken my covenant.

As you can see, under this arrangement a male who expresses his unbelief by refusing circumcision has broken the eternal covenant and lost his right to exist in the holy land.

 

[cv5]

I am sorry, but nobody has yet answered my question about Genesis 17:10-14.
So far they have declined to talk about that passage.
Should I take it that all of you agree with me that the land promise as given to Abraham was both eternal and conditional?
I will post it again, but this time I will start from v.7, just to confirm the connection with the land promise.

Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be CUT OFF FROM HIS PEOPLE; he hath broken my covenant.

As you can see, under this arrangement a male who expresses his unbelief by refusing circumcision has broken the eternal covenant and lost his right to exist in the holy land.

Which is why every Jew in the universe is presently circumcised and will be in the future at the time of the Restoration of the Kingdom to Israel.

And yes, circumcised in their FLESH.

 

[cv5]

I am sorry, but nobody has yet answered my question about Genesis 17:10-14.
So far they have declined to talk about that passage.
Should I take it that all of you agree with me that the land promise as given to Abraham was both eternal and conditional?
I will post it again, but this time I will start from v.7, just to confirm the connection with the land promise.

Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be CUT OFF FROM HIS PEOPLE; he hath broken my covenant.

As you can see, under this arrangement a male who expresses his unbelief by refusing circumcision has broken the eternal covenant and lost his right to exist in the holy land.

Anybody can "answer your question" quite easily. Including yourself. But rather than doing so yourself, you choose to DODGE and AVOID the finding of the truth of the matter.

When analyzing the passage provided (Genesis 17:10–14) in the broader context of the Abrahamic Covenant, it is important to distinguish between the foundation of the covenant itself and the sign/token required of individuals participating in it.

1. The "Unconditional" Core in Genesis 17
Within the provided passage, the unconditional and non-negotiable decree established directly by God is in verse 13:
"...and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant." (Genesis 17:13b)

Key Unconditional Element:
The Promise of an Everlasting Covenant (B'rit Olam): God establishes that the covenant itself is eternal. While individual participation or inclusion in the covenant community carries a requirement (circumcision), the existence and validity of the covenant itself are not conditional on human performance.

 

[cv5]

I am sorry, but nobody has yet answered my question about Genesis 17:10-14.
So far they have declined to talk about that passage.
Should I take it that all of you agree with me that the land promise as given to Abraham was both eternal and conditional?
I will post it again, but this time I will start from v.7, just to confirm the connection with the land promise.

Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be CUT OFF FROM HIS PEOPLE; he hath broken my covenant.

As you can see, under this arrangement a male who expresses his unbelief by refusing circumcision has broken the eternal covenant and lost his right to exist in the holy land.

Paul's Theological Proof (Galatians 3:17–18):

"And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance [klēronomia] be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise."

Paul argues that the law or conditional commands given later cannot invalidate the unconditional promise God guaranteed to Abraham centuries earlier.

 

[God-fearing]

But Isa. 53:10 contains the word "sin".
An abomination is a sin.

True but that sin wasn't his

 

[Cameron143]

Is it not obvious by now that your habit to pluck out one-liners in an effort to demolish demonstrably accurate and truly established Biblical doctrine is both folly and blameworthy?

Indeed, such is the calling card of the RTs, CTs, preterists, and amils on this thread who do likewise.

I'll translate: I can't refute this biblically so I'll impugn your character.

 

[Cameron143]

You cannot read what was posted?

Ditto.

 

[cv5]

I'll translate: I can't refute this biblically so I'll impugn your character.

You have been debunked at every point. BTW, nobody wants to hear your trollish one-liners. They add zero value and are little more than infantile attempts at distraction.

 

[Cameron143]

You have been debunked at every point. BTW, nobody wants to hear your trollish one-liners. They add zero value and are little more than infantile attempts at distraction.

I'll translate: I am unable to biblically discredit your argument so I will try to defame you.

 

[cv5]

I'll translate: I am unable to biblically discredit your argument so I will try to defame you.

I quite enjoy defaming heretics and debunking their heresies. This smouldering passion proves that I fulfill Christ's command to be zealous don't you agree? With the additional benefit of rewards at the Bema seat!

[2Co 5:2, 4 KJV]
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: ...

4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Philippians 3:20–21 (KJV)
“For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.”

Luke 24:39 (KJV)
“Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.”

Romans 8:22–23 (KJV)
“For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.”

 

[Cameron143]

I quite enjoy defaming heretics and debunking their heresies. This smouldering passion proves that I fulfill Christ's command to be zealous don't you agree? With the additional benefit of rewards at the Bema seat!

[2Co 5:2, 4 KJV]
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: ...

4 For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Philippians 3:20–21 (KJV)
“For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.”

Luke 24:39 (KJV)
“Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.”

Romans 8:22–23 (KJV)
“For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.”

Ditto.