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if you do somthing "a verb" to save yourself then you are your saviour, and you did not need a saviour, and so gal 5;4 whosoever amoung you are justified by the law have no part in christ ye are fallen from grace.. that is since you seek to justify your own self you wave off "grace" and the cross and the saviour so then you are "a replacement christ","in place of christ","anti christ"
now if we are to dumb or too weak to acomplish it then we are "innocent" and theres no need for us to be saved becouse were innocent like a child and if we arent smart enough to figure it out then we are again innocent and dont need a saviour,,,,,,,,,,,but if we need a saviour were guilty of not doing what we know, understand ect. were guilty of it ,,,,so we need a "saviour" and we need "grace",forgiveness we do know the truth, we just wont do it the truth is love
rev 1;19 write these things the things that are"preasent tense to john on patmos",, things thou hast seen" past tense at the time at patmos"and the things which must shortly come to pass "future tense to john at patmos" rev, is all three christ himself said it to john,,, figure out what was going on during johns life "things which are" and what had already taken place when rev. was given"things which were/seen,,,,,,,and only the rest was future to john
christ died for us ,the prophets to tell us to obey, the apostles also saying envy not,covet not,dont commit adultry,not kill if a government is formed in the future and discovers elec. invents radios,the t.v.,colt.smith and wesson,football,basketball,baseball,the car,the plane,computors,rock and roll,bluegrass,a.c.country music, dvd's,music tapes nascar, pro.models,sports of every kind ect. and in a city builds a place to buy sell and trade all of their fine inventions and things to all the kings of the earth,,,,do you think god would be mad at them? if they caused the earth to lust after all these precious things ? do you think god would count the blood of the prophets on her head?,,,, were in the world does this mystry kingdom trade all the stuff she caused the earth to covet? those people led the whole earth astray with their things "thy merchents deciveth ye with their merchendise"
It is not Jesus that confirmed a covenant for 7 years,for how would that apply to anything,for the covenant is everlasting for all those on Jesus' side.
In Daniel chapter 9 it speaks of the Jews having to get it right before God,be in the truth,bring in everlasting righteousness,and anoint the most holy,who is Jesus.
They have 70 weeks to accomplish this goal,which is 490 years,with them being in the truth,forsaking false gods and wrongful ways,and when Jesus comes to acknowledge Him as their Messiah.They must accomplish this goal as a nation.
We see that they did not accomplish this goal when Jesus came for the Bible says that Jesus came unto His own but His own did not receive Him,for they had Him crucified,and Jesus said because Israel rejects Him,their house will be desolate until Israel says blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord,which means acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah.
Also given the fact that Israel was overthrown in 70 A.D. by the Romans,who scattered them off their land,which God allowed for them rejecting Jesus and not being in the truth,shows that they did not accomplish this goal in 70 A.D.,and since they were scattered from their land and in to the nations,they could not accomplish this goal while they were separated from each other dispersed in to the nations.
So we see that they did not accomplish this goal of fulfilling the 70 weeks,and the only time they could accomplish this goal was when they became a nation again in 1948,but we see they still have not accomplished this goal since then.
The book of Daniel says that 69 weeks have already gone by,and since they have not accomplished the goal of recognizing Jesus as a nation,then the last week still has to be fulfilled,which the Jews have not done yet,for if they had Jesus would not say they rejected Him as a nation,which you can see they did when they wanted Him crucified,and they would not have been scattered from off their land by the Romans,receiving the curse that God told them would happen if they were not in the truth in Deuteronomy,being scattered in to the nations to serve other nations.
So the 70th week is still to come,which there is a reason for the 70th week happening in the future.
1.The Jews were being punished for rejecting Christ by being scattered in to the nations,which hindered the 70th week from happening.
2.It allowed salvation to come to the Gentiles because Israel rejected Jesus,which God would gather a people for His name out of the Gentiles during this period the Jews were scattered among the Gentiles.
3.God will give the world 7 years to have their way and rebel against Him,all who do not love Him,and work with Israel during that time to bring them to the truth that Jesus is their Me4ssiah,by way of the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11,who will preach for three and one half years to Israel.
4.God said He is going to gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle,and when they attack Israel put them down,which is the battle of armageddon,and is using the last 7 years to gather the world to go against Israel so He can fight the world and put them down,which the Jews will acknowledge that Jesus is their Messiah at that time,and will say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord,and they will then see Jesus as He saves Israel from the world.
The 7 years will be the last 7 years of any rulership of man that is not in the truth on earth,and the 70th week could not have happened in the past,for it will be the last 7 years of man's rulership on earth that is not in the truth,and after the 7 years God will completely take over the earth,and only Jesus will be recognized on earth,and only His ways will be acknowledged.
All Gentile nations will come together and fall from the truth,and Israel will come to the truth,during the last week.God is saving the 70th week for the last week of man's rulership that are not in the truth on earth for a purpose,which is known as Jacob's trouble,for soon the world will be knocking down her door to battle her.
The 70th week is to come in the future and not that far away,and a lot of people believe that the year 2012,will be the year of spiritual,conscience,evolution,that will cause man to advance further in spiritual and conscience evolution,and we know what that will lead to,the beast system,that will be based upon the occult,nature worship,which the New Age Christ will say he has tapped in to the highest powers of the Cosmos,and ascended in to godhood,and received the most power a person can have,and the New Agers believe that he will restore the hidden mysteries of the past,and man can ascend in to godhood,with the New Age Christ being top dog.
The first half of the last week,the world will operate by the world being split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and the last half of the last week,the antichrist will rule,who gets control of the world because the ten leaders all hand their power to him.
In Daniel chapter 9 verse 26,it speaks of the prince to come,who is the antichrist,and in verse 27 continues talking about the prince to come that will establish a covenant for 7 years,and will cause abominations to spread which is from the lies he spreads on earth concerning the truth,which the Bible says he casts the truth upon the ground and stamps upon it,and he shall blaspheme against God and His tabernacle,which Jesus talked about the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel concerning the antichrist in Matthew 24,which in other books of Daniel it speaks of the covenant,and abominations being spread,coming from the last king on earth,who is the antichrist.
So we see that it is the prince to come,the antichrist,the last king,that confirms the covenant for one week,the 70th week that God is allowing all people who do not love Him to rebel against Him so He can put them down,and the antichrist will cause the abomination of desolation by spreading lies about the truth and going against the truth,and causing the world that does bot love the truth to follow him.
The 7 year covenant has nothing to do with Jesus,for what 7 year covenant did Jesus establish,and why only 7 years,and what can it apply to.God has only 2 covenants,Old Testament,and now New Testament,which God really only has one covenant for the Old covenant does not give us everlasting life,but played a role that it had to be before the spiritual covenant could appear,the New covenant which is everlasting.
The 7 years covenant is the time when God allows the world to have it's way and follow the prince to come who will spread his abominations on earth by lies and going against the truth,which the Bible says that craft shall prosper in his hands,and bring Israel to the truth,which is the 70th week,which has not been fulfilled yet,and God has a purpose for it being in the future,not to far off now.
One false foundation of belief can effect other scriptures and misinterpret them,because they are trying to fit scriptures in to that false foundation belief that they think is true.
Some wrong foundations come from a belief not stated in the Bible,and then they try to fit scriptures in to that wrongful foundation.
In Daniel chapter 9 it speaks of the Jews having to get it right before God,be in the truth,bring in everlasting righteousness,and anoint the most holy,who is Jesus.
They have 70 weeks to accomplish this goal,which is 490 years,with them being in the truth,forsaking false gods and wrongful ways,and when Jesus comes to acknowledge Him as their Messiah.They must accomplish this goal as a nation.
We see that they did not accomplish this goal when Jesus came for the Bible says that Jesus came unto His own but His own did not receive Him,for they had Him crucified,and Jesus said because Israel rejects Him,their house will be desolate until Israel says blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord,which means acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah.
Also given the fact that Israel was overthrown in 70 A.D. by the Romans,who scattered them off their land,which God allowed for them rejecting Jesus and not being in the truth,shows that they did not accomplish this goal in 70 A.D.,and since they were scattered from their land and in to the nations,they could not accomplish this goal while they were separated from each other dispersed in to the nations.
So we see that they did not accomplish this goal of fulfilling the 70 weeks,and the only time they could accomplish this goal was when they became a nation again in 1948,but we see they still have not accomplished this goal since then.
The book of Daniel says that 69 weeks have already gone by,and since they have not accomplished the goal of recognizing Jesus as a nation,then the last week still has to be fulfilled,which the Jews have not done yet,for if they had Jesus would not say they rejected Him as a nation,which you can see they did when they wanted Him crucified,and they would not have been scattered from off their land by the Romans,receiving the curse that God told them would happen if they were not in the truth in Deuteronomy,being scattered in to the nations to serve other nations.
So the 70th week is still to come,which there is a reason for the 70th week happening in the future.
1.The Jews were being punished for rejecting Christ by being scattered in to the nations,which hindered the 70th week from happening.
2.It allowed salvation to come to the Gentiles because Israel rejected Jesus,which God would gather a people for His name out of the Gentiles during this period the Jews were scattered among the Gentiles.
3.God will give the world 7 years to have their way and rebel against Him,all who do not love Him,and work with Israel during that time to bring them to the truth that Jesus is their Me4ssiah,by way of the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11,who will preach for three and one half years to Israel.
4.God said He is going to gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle,and when they attack Israel put them down,which is the battle of armageddon,and is using the last 7 years to gather the world to go against Israel so He can fight the world and put them down,which the Jews will acknowledge that Jesus is their Messiah at that time,and will say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord,and they will then see Jesus as He saves Israel from the world.
The 7 years will be the last 7 years of any rulership of man that is not in the truth on earth,and the 70th week could not have happened in the past,for it will be the last 7 years of man's rulership on earth that is not in the truth,and after the 7 years God will completely take over the earth,and only Jesus will be recognized on earth,and only His ways will be acknowledged.
All Gentile nations will come together and fall from the truth,and Israel will come to the truth,during the last week.God is saving the 70th week for the last week of man's rulership that are not in the truth on earth for a purpose,which is known as Jacob's trouble,for soon the world will be knocking down her door to battle her.
The 70th week is to come in the future and not that far away,and a lot of people believe that the year 2012,will be the year of spiritual,conscience,evolution,that will cause man to advance further in spiritual and conscience evolution,and we know what that will lead to,the beast system,that will be based upon the occult,nature worship,which the New Age Christ will say he has tapped in to the highest powers of the Cosmos,and ascended in to godhood,and received the most power a person can have,and the New Agers believe that he will restore the hidden mysteries of the past,and man can ascend in to godhood,with the New Age Christ being top dog.
The first half of the last week,the world will operate by the world being split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and the last half of the last week,the antichrist will rule,who gets control of the world because the ten leaders all hand their power to him.
In Daniel chapter 9 verse 26,it speaks of the prince to come,who is the antichrist,and in verse 27 continues talking about the prince to come that will establish a covenant for 7 years,and will cause abominations to spread which is from the lies he spreads on earth concerning the truth,which the Bible says he casts the truth upon the ground and stamps upon it,and he shall blaspheme against God and His tabernacle,which Jesus talked about the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel concerning the antichrist in Matthew 24,which in other books of Daniel it speaks of the covenant,and abominations being spread,coming from the last king on earth,who is the antichrist.
So we see that it is the prince to come,the antichrist,the last king,that confirms the covenant for one week,the 70th week that God is allowing all people who do not love Him to rebel against Him so He can put them down,and the antichrist will cause the abomination of desolation by spreading lies about the truth and going against the truth,and causing the world that does bot love the truth to follow him.
The 7 year covenant has nothing to do with Jesus,for what 7 year covenant did Jesus establish,and why only 7 years,and what can it apply to.God has only 2 covenants,Old Testament,and now New Testament,which God really only has one covenant for the Old covenant does not give us everlasting life,but played a role that it had to be before the spiritual covenant could appear,the New covenant which is everlasting.
The 7 years covenant is the time when God allows the world to have it's way and follow the prince to come who will spread his abominations on earth by lies and going against the truth,which the Bible says that craft shall prosper in his hands,and bring Israel to the truth,which is the 70th week,which has not been fulfilled yet,and God has a purpose for it being in the future,not to far off now.
One false foundation of belief can effect other scriptures and misinterpret them,because they are trying to fit scriptures in to that false foundation belief that they think is true.
Some wrong foundations come from a belief not stated in the Bible,and then they try to fit scriptures in to that wrongful foundation.
1st jn2;18,,,,1st jn2;22,,, 1st jn 4;3,,,,, 2nd jn 7 antichristos in strongs # 500 refers to 473and 5447 also 5448 now i said this for others who may read these post these are the only times the greek word "antichristos" is used in the bible they are in first and second john only, and are used in plural form not singular and were in the earth in the day john wrote of them and he didnt use the form "past tense" but did refer to them from there on that is that they will also come.
ptolemy euergetes dan. 11;7 a branch of her root,, her root was her parents ,a branch is brother or sister she only had a brother ptolemy "beatrece" that is if you follow his blood line herod is of his children but if you follow it further it is a well doccumented geneoligy "the kings princes ect" are well recorded you will find bush jr. is the gr.gr.gr.gr.g.rect. grandson of both ptolemy down thru herod then to him through his mother odd enough bush sr. is not it comes from jr's mothers side
Having read through this thread I must say that a great deal of it is absolute rubbish!
It is such a great shame (and really grieves me) that the Book (of The Revelation of Jesus Christ) which gives such a detailed account of the major happenings of the last seven years of this Age (of Grace) especially the last three and a half years (the period known as The Great Tribulation) are so poorly understood by Christians.
You people who claim to be "Teachers," do remember that you will receive a stricter judgement (James 3v1), and if you teach lies and wrong doctrine to God's people, especially regarding the Lord's Second Coming, which is the most dealt with doctrine in the Scriptures, so as to cause darkness in the mind's of God's people so that they loose their faith, backslide and go into apostasy during the Great Tribulation (Matt 24v12, 2Thess 2v3, 1Tim 4v1, 2Tim 3v1-9, Rev 7v9-17 (esp.v14)), you are certainly in for the high jump when you meet the Lord Jesus! Luke 11v52, 1Tim 1v20, Titus 2v17,18, Rev 22v12.
It is such a great shame (and really grieves me) that the Book (of The Revelation of Jesus Christ) which gives such a detailed account of the major happenings of the last seven years of this Age (of Grace) especially the last three and a half years (the period known as The Great Tribulation) are so poorly understood by Christians.
You people who claim to be "Teachers," do remember that you will receive a stricter judgement (James 3v1), and if you teach lies and wrong doctrine to God's people, especially regarding the Lord's Second Coming, which is the most dealt with doctrine in the Scriptures, so as to cause darkness in the mind's of God's people so that they loose their faith, backslide and go into apostasy during the Great Tribulation (Matt 24v12, 2Thess 2v3, 1Tim 4v1, 2Tim 3v1-9, Rev 7v9-17 (esp.v14)), you are certainly in for the high jump when you meet the Lord Jesus! Luke 11v52, 1Tim 1v20, Titus 2v17,18, Rev 22v12.
so from patmos till now spain was a great power in the earth,then france then england and no other of the governments that came from the fall of rome surfaced untill 1776 then a small country of thirteen colinies and an army of volenteers said to them one by one "heyaww get!!!!" and one by one sent the profesonal armies of the greatest three empires since rome packing and then became the largest superpower in all history three horns ripped up by their roots! three ribs in her mouth!!!!
well, i guess the one most important part of the proficies that everyone seem to want to leave out is the destruction of babylon. now some see it metaforical some literal,,,when gad delivered isrial out of egypt sure wasnt metaforical it really happened and the flood,,, yep when he tlod them they would be inbondage in egypt the really went there,, and aserya (i cant spell good in english,,,lol),,,or when he sent them into captivity in babylon that was real,,,,,,,and when he destroyed sodom and gamorah ,,,that was real,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so if the destruction of babylon is metaforical,,, well thats the first time in all history god didnt do it "real",,,,,,,,,,and that just wouldnt seem fair to shw us example after example all through history and then do it metaforicly would it?????
and it must come before the battle of armeggedon,,,,,,,,that is if her judgment was at the same time then her mother wouldnt "witness it",,, so she must be safe way over there in england,,,,,,,and the kings cast dust in there head and whail so they see it from over there.and when he lays hold of satin he cast him into the pit where "the harlot and the false prophets already are"so before armeggedon "babylon gets judged"
lets blame it on some one else,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lets say they invented the weedeater, and the typwriter, and the vacume tube, and the flat screen, and the telaphone,,,,,,,,you think theyll go for it? lets say they gave it to us and we were tricked into selling it to the earth ,,,,,aint it odd that out of all the stuff that was invented or discovered in the world most all of it was invented or discovered in the u.s.?