Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Revelation1v8]

Ok I can see that this is pointless.
All I was trying to establish is that Gods promise that Abraham's seed would posses the land was was performed, and you keep running away to another subject.
Driving all the people out of the land is not the same thing as having dominion i.e. possessing the land.
It seems that there is too much arguing between us to be able to communicate something as simple as that now.

This is just getting ridiculous. No, they never possessed ALL of the land that was promised to them. This has already been shown to you 4 times now with cv5 included. Why do you think God himself says he will drive people out of the land in Joshua 13:6? It's so that Israel could take possession of it. I'm not trying to change the subject. You're playing ignorant in an effort to try and change the subject. You're not fooling anyone any more.

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[God-fearing]

Nothing should surprise us any more. I just came across someone claiming to be a Christian in another discussion who said the Holocaust was a hoax. Now I know why Psalm1 believes that half of the people claiming to be Christians are nominal Christians who don't understand much of anything. It's a crazy world we live in.

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Have you checked out the new thread here....tribulation started at 70 ad.

 

[cv5]

This is just getting ridiculous. No, they never possessed ALL of the land that was promised to them. This has already been shown to you 4 times now with cv5 included. Why do you think God himself says he will drive people out of the land in Joshua 13:6? It's so that Israel could take possession of it. I'm not trying to change the subject. You're playing ignorant in an effort to try and change the subject. You're not fooling anyone any more.

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Not to mention that Moses informed them looooonnnng ago that they would eventually lose it and be scattered.
And then be regathered in the "latter days" never to lose it again.

 

[Beekeeper]

Correct 1000 yrs is not eternity but that is what was believed. That's the point.
Now I want to show you something very simple to understand and we all know this out line of the prayer that Jesus gave to us.

Thy kingdom come....thy will be done on earth....as it is in Heaven.

you and others here keep pointing to spiritual concepts so may I ask you what is heavenly fulfillment?
where in scripture does it say Jesus restores anything in heaven, who did jesus redeem in heaven the angles?
all of the restoration, all of the redeemed, the sacrifice, all of it is on earth...earthly.
God is not imposing his authority he's establishing it. ....In the beginning God created the heavens and earth.
The earth was always Gods. God was always God the almighty.
The scrolls are the deed to the earth. You said they are already opened? When and where for only the sacrificed lamb of God can open.

My understanding of spiritual restoration is on both heaven and earth (Rev.21).
There are also restorations in heaven described in the Bible, Rev. 12:7-12 for example, and they all greatly effect the affairs of earth.
The resurrection as it is described in 1 Cor 15 involves a bodily resurrection, but the body becomes a heavenly body, ie immortal and incorruptible.
The world of the resurrection is also the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the HEIR OF THE WORLD, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

If we just read Genesis we would not understand that it was promised to Abraham that he would be heir of the whole world.
That is yet another reason we should allow the NT to interpret the OT.
The eternal land promise in Genesis 17:8 is not just a repeat of the same promise made in Genesis 15:18-21 that the seed of Abraham would possess the land of Canaan (which they did through the law).
Abraham is promised that he will have an everlasting possession through the righteousness of faith, and it includes the land of Canaan, but it also includes the whole new earth.

The heirs of this promise to Abraham are not necessarily Israelis, but all who are made righteous through their faith in Jesus.
This promise is not to those that reject Jesus, so in the resurrection there indeed will be no more "Canaanite" in the land.

 

[cv5]

My understanding of spiritual restoration is on both heaven and earth (Rev.21).
There are also restorations in heaven described in the Bible, Rev. 12:7-12 for example, and they all greatly effect the affairs of earth.
The resurrection as it is described in 1 Cor 15 involves a bodily resurrection, but the body becomes a heavenly body, ie immortal and incorruptible.
The world of the resurrection is also the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the HEIR OF THE WORLD, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

If we just read Genesis we would not understand that it was promised to Abraham that he would be heir of the whole world.
That is yet another reason we should allow the NT to interpret the OT.
The eternal land promise in Genesis 17:8 is not just a repeat of the same promise made in Genesis 15:18-21 that the seed of Abraham would possess the land of Canaan (which they did through the law).
Abraham is promised that he will have an everlasting possession through the righteousness of faith, and it includes the land of Canaan, but it also includes the whole new earth.

The heirs of this promise to Abraham are not necessarily Israelis, but all who are made righteous through their faith in Jesus.
This promise is not to those that reject Jesus, so in the resurrection there indeed will be no more "Canaanite" in the land.

"The heirs of this promise to Abraham are not necessarily Israelis"

Correction: the heirs of the promises to the LAND are DEFINITELY the Sons of Jacob and nobody else.
Are you disappointed at hearing this good news?

 

[Revelation1v8]

Have you checked out the new thread here....tribulation started at 70 ad.

Yes, I've seen it, but I'm definitely not interested in participating in that discussion.

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[HeIsHere]

Have you checked out the new thread here....tribulation started at 70 ad.

Yeah that is what happens when people do not trust the words of Christ Jesus, error refuting error over and over again.

 

[Aussie52]

Replacement Theology......where the focus on Christ is replaced by focusing on Israel.

 

[Churchgoer]

Replacement Theology......where the focus on Christ is replaced by focusing on Israel.

Definitely noticed.
Tricky tricky humans.

 

[Beekeeper]

This is just getting ridiculous. No, they never possessed ALL of the land that was promised to them. This has already been shown to you 4 times now with cv5 included. Why do you think God himself says he will drive people out of the land in Joshua 13:6? It's so that Israel could take possession of it. I'm not trying to change the subject. You're playing ignorant in an effort to try and change the subject. You're not fooling anyone any more.

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Joshua 11:23 So Joshua took the whole land, according to all that the Lord said unto Moses.

Nehemiah 9:7Thou art the Lord the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;
8 And foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girgashites, to give it, I say, to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous:

So according to scripture the promise to Abraham in Genesis 15:18-21 has been satisfied, yet you believe that you have found grounds for objection.
That is a personal matter for you to sort out, so I leave it at that.

 

[cv5]

Replacement Theology......where the focus on Christ is replaced by focusing on Israel.

Replacement Theology......where the focus upon the duty to be diligent faithful stewards of the Word of Christ, the practice of extolling His integrity to His oaths, and belief in His infallible prophetic Word is replaced by deceitful ignorant trolls belching insidious biblically illiterate one-liners meant to undermine the faith of the unwary and trample the glory of the incorruptible God.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Replacement Theology......where the focus on Christ is replaced by focusing on Israel.

This discussion focuses on God's Word and what it says. You should read it.

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[Revelation1v8]

Joshua 11:23 So Joshua took the whole land, according to all that the Lord said unto Moses.

Nehemiah 9:7Thou art the Lord the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;
8 And foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girgashites, to give it, I say, to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous:

So according to scripture the promise to Abraham in Genesis 15:18-21 has been satisfied, yet you believe that you have found grounds for objection.
That is a personal matter for you to sort out, so I leave it at that.

Yes, you should sort out your anti-semitism problem. Then you might be able to read the Bible in the way it was written and the way it was intended.

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[Beekeeper]

Yes, you should sort out your anti-semitism problem. Then you might be able to read the Bible in the way it was written and the way it was intended.

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Ok then, I just sorted it out.
I have come to the realization that the promised land is the whole world and nobody is going to slaughter anybody else to inherit it.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Ok then, I just sorted it out.
I have come to the realization that the promised land is the whole world and nobody is going to slaughter anybody else to inherit it.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

You still don't understand what that says. Abraham was made heir of the world because of his righteousness, which is exactly why God/Jesus made a Covenant with him and the seed of Isaac and Jacob. Abraham wasn't under the law to begin with, so no, it wasn't given to him or his seed THROUGH THE LAW.

Abraham was never under the Law of Moses. Biblical scholarship and theological analysis indicate that Abraham lived approximately 430 years before the Law was given to Moses at Mount Sinai. Consequently, he did not follow the Ten Commandments, the Torah, or the ceremonial and administrative laws specific to Israel.

Instead, Abraham’s righteousness was attributed to his faith and his obedience to the specific commands and revelations God gave him directly during his lifetime. Key distinctions include:

• Justification by Faith: He was declared righteous in Genesis 15 through belief, whereas circumcision (a later legal requirement) was not instituted until Genesis 17, over 14 years later.
• Distinct Obedience: While Genesis 26:5 states Abraham kept God's "commandments, statutes, and laws," this refers to the moral and relational directives given to him personally, not the codified Mosaic Law.

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[cv5]

You still don't understand what that says. Abraham was made heir of the world because of his righteousness, which is exactly why God/Jesus made a Covenant with him and the seed of Isaac and Jacob. Abraham wasn't under the law to begin with, so no, it wasn't given to him or his seed THROUGH THE LAW.

Abraham was never under the Law of Moses. Biblical scholarship and theological analysis indicate that Abraham lived approximately 430 years before the Law was given to Moses at Mount Sinai. Consequently, he did not follow the Ten Commandments, the Torah, or the ceremonial and administrative laws specific to Israel.

Instead, Abraham’s righteousness was attributed to his faith and his obedience to the specific commands and revelations God gave him directly during his lifetime. Key distinctions include:

• Justification by Faith: He was declared righteous in Genesis 15 through belief, whereas circumcision (a later legal requirement) was not instituted until Genesis 17, over 14 years later.
• Distinct Obedience: While Genesis 26:5 states Abraham kept God's "commandments, statutes, and laws," this refers to the moral and relational directives given to him personally, not the codified Mosaic Law.

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[Gal 3:17 KJV]
17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

 

[cv5]

Ok then, I just sorted it out.
I have come to the realization that the promised land is the whole world and nobody is going to slaughter anybody else to inherit it.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

"nobody" is going to slaughter anybody else to inherit it.

Why are you calling the incorruptible God "nobody"?