ScooterJackson aka JayWalker aka HigherGospel aka DallasMan aka Stan_the_Man aka JimmyTheLock. His MO always gives him away.
Obedience REQUIRED
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A while back in Singles, we had the pleasure of knowing him as StandUp.
Some people there referred to him as StanDerp.
The last few renditions, he's been showing up in the Singles Forum first, with some of the long-standing members recognizing him early on, but then works his way over to the Bible Discussion Forum.
I'm pretty sure he's doing this because his latest reincarnations seem to have gotten longer runs that way.
Maybe he's stalling for time while working on coming up with another name for his next rendition.
He never stays away for very long.
One suggestion for a new avatar name for him is, "I'll be back."
He could even include a picture of Arnold Schwarzenegger.
One suggestion for a new avatar name for him is, "I'll be back."
Lol!
In this case, it would be Arnold Schnooze-en-negger because all the good people who recognize him are already yawning when he shows up.
Anyway...
Sorry -- didn't mean to interrupt. I'm starting to feel like we should sound some kind of alarm for the BDF as soon as he shows up in Singles.
We try to get him shut down early at his first appearances, but alas -- once again, the contagion leaked.
We tried our best.
Many thanks to you good folks for your diligent watch.
I agree as Arnold is to much of a compliment for him, as when it comes to being bad to the bone, arnold is championLol!
In this case, it would be Arnold Schnooze-en-negger because all the good people who recognize him are already yawning when he shows up.
Anyway...
Sorry -- didn't mean to interrupt. I'm starting to feel like we should sound some kind of alarm for the BDF as soon as he shows up in Singles.
We try to get him shut down early at his first appearances, but alas -- once again, the contagion leaked.
We tried our best.
Many thanks to you good folks for your diligent watch.
We don't have eternal salvation!
We have the life of grace with the promise of salvation!
We have grace!
Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Grace can be lost!
Eph 5:2-6 children of disobedience shall not inherit the kingdom of God
gal 5:1-4 fallen from grace
gal 5:19-21 shall not inherit the kingdom of God
gal 6:7-8 sow and reap
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20 shall not inherit the kingdom of God
1 tim 5:12 lost faith
Hebrews 6:4-6 fall away
rev 21:8 sin buys the lake of fire
rev 21:27 sin keeps us out of heaven
rom 8:1 gace lost by sin
gal 5:4 can fall from grace
1 cor 15:10 can have grace in vain
2 cor 4:7 treasure (grace) in earthen vessels
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)
Jn 15:5 apart from Christ? NOTHING!
2 Peter 1:10 diligence to make your calling and election sure
Luke 15:24 my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.
We fall in sin!
We stand in grace!
Romans 5:2
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. (Stand in grace not salvation)
Thks
We do not have salvation, we have grace with the promise of salvation!
We have by the initial grace of justification union with God and His saints thru Christ that empowers our actions with grace unto eternal salvation!
Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
We fall in sin and are separated from God!
We stand in grace!
Romans 5:2
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. (Stand in grace not salvation)
Thks
I agree that we stand in grace, but I don't think Scripture separates grace and salvation the way you're suggesting.
Romans 5:2 says we stand in grace, but Paul also says: "By grace ye are saved through faith" (Eph. 2:8).
The warning passages you cite are real, and they shouldn't be explained away.
The question is whether they teach that every sin immediately removes a believer from salvation, or whether they warn against apostasy, unbelief, and a life of persistent rebellion.
After all, the same New Testament says: "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus" (Rom. 8:1)
and: "If any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father" (1 John 2:1).
So I don't think the issue is grace versus salvation.
It's, believers stand in grace, persevere in faith, heed the warnings, and when they stumble, they are pointed back to Christ, not away from Him.
Oh really
1 john 5:13
These things I have written unto you that believe in the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God.
Honestly stop pretending to be Catholic, you've already proven you don't know the first about Catholicism,
And please change the record.
1 John 5:13 -I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. (1 John 1:2-4)
Seems the loss of salvation/not really saved crowd do not believe THESE THINGS.
grace can not be earned my friend.
If your trying to earn your salvation. good luck
the wage of sin is death, Not good works.
The gift of God is life. because good works cannot cover the wage of sin which is death
I Agree that grace and charity are referring to the life of God in Christ, and that He shares with us.
Jn 1:16 grace
1 cor 13:2 charity
1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Sin offends the love of God and violates His commandments causing loss of grace and life
Thks
Our own works would be dead works!
Jn 15:5 apart from Christ? Nothing
Heb 6:1 repent from dead works
We have by the initial grace of justification union with God and His saints thru Christ that empowers our actions with grace unto eternal salvation!
Phil 4:13 in Christ? All things!
On with living works begun in by grace, finished in grace!
AMEN?
Actually, carbunculus, you have it backwards.
Per Scripture, if it were only up to God everyone would be going to heaven (1Tim. 2:3-4), because God loves everyone (John 3:16),
but divine enabling and love/calling does not force folks to confess against their will, as Jesus indicated (Matt. 23:37, 13:14-15).
How do you like that, pardner?
Grace isn't a material, where you start of with a little bit grace in your cup, like say a little bit wine in your cup, and get a little bit more poured in every now and then or have some removed every now and then. Neither should you see Grace as a super natural entity that's infused into the soul on the condition of sanctifying grace.
But growing in grace really is growing in the favour already provided, and really you could get excited about that and think this grace is sanctifying or you will get an increase. But honestly such ideas gave birth to people paying money to get saved.
You don't have to continually keep being sanctified with sanctifying grace. it makes no sense that the initial grace which is sufficient for you upon baptism as written in the Bible, my grace is sufficient for you,
The idea you grow is good but that idea doesn't have to go as far fetched as sanctifying grace that you must maintain through performing works to have an increase in grace and grow in sanctification.
God changes you. By keeping your most inner being protected which was already good your being just needed saving.
Isn't that what responses are ?
If one sins, they are a sinner.
Do you disagree with that ?
If obedience to God spawns a hateful reply, I say, bring it on.
Who are "these people" ?
Human frailty ?
Before Jesus died and was raised from the dead, nobody could be baptized into Christ, and into His death, burial, and resurrection...and to be raised with Him to walk in newness of life.
So all those who lived in the OT were forced to walk in and after the "flesh".
Whereas after Jesus' resurrection, we can all walk in and after the Spirit.
Walking in the "flesh" isn't a frailty, but the natural condition of the OT.
Do you have anything to add to the OP, or am I your target now ?
Did I say that what I espouse was my idea ?
Scripture is full of verses exhorting perfect obedience to God.
Amen, and I am glad you realize that.
Freedom from condemnation starts with a real turn from sin/repentance from sin.
Forums are a means of exchanging ideas.
My salvation won't be assured until I find that my name is in the book of life.
That day will be the earth's last day.
If a man has been born again from God's seed, does the phrase 'human frailty' still really apply ?
I am glad I am no longer of the class of humans you refer to.
Turning from sin, and getting born again from God's seed, changes all that !
I believe God wants all to be saved,
I'm not sure what your getting when you say I have it backwards.
Thanks I did like your first initial post.
I believe God wants people to be saved and wishes none would perish, and that when his word says no one can go to the son unless the father enables then, then I see God's glory lighting people up inside. And I see a wonderful enabling grace. Which needs no requirement. I see a enabling grace which will save anyone if they accept the invitation.
You could look at and think that's a requirement and rewrite the whole bible. But no thanks the bible has already been wrote.