Your response is interesting because, despite your objections, you have actually acknowledged the central distinction established in my post. You write that experiencing same-sex attraction without sexual activity is “not necessarily sin.” Precisely. My argument concerns whether Scripture explicitly condemns the possession of same-sex attraction independently of conduct. Your response has not identified a passage doing so.
I will agree that there is a "separation" between 'attraction' (in the sense of thoughts/temptations/etc. - but, not [necessarily] including 'desire' - it depends on how we choose to define 'desire' - if you would like, I will explain this further) and 'activity' - that makes the difference of being sin or not.
First, your objection concerning terminology confuses the scope of a word with the distinction I am making. The word homosexualitycan be used broadly in discussions of attraction, identity, and behaviour. My opening statement expressly identified the aspect under examination: romantic or sexual attraction to the same sex. Saying that homosexuality describes orientation rather than sexual activity distinguishes what a person experiences from what a person does; it does not deny that broader discussions of homosexuality may include sexual conduct. A person can possess same-sex attraction without ever engaging in a same-sex sexual act. That distinction remains true regardless of the breadth of the umbrella term.
Now, you are 'backpedaling' - moving from a position of absolute definition as 'attraction' only to another which allows for a broadening of the definition - which, quite frankly, is more honest - therefore, it says well of you to be more willing and accepting of a broader definition that includes all aspects of what the word actually means.
I stand on my statement that the word 'homosexuality' covers all of the things in your broadened definition - except for the terms 'identity' and 'orientation' - which do not apply to the true reality itself according to God and His definitions and declarations.
The word 'identity' is simply solved - if you have 'XY' chromosomes, you are male - if you have 'XX' chromosomes, you are female.
The word 'orientation' is used as an excuse to try to make same-sex 'attraction' seem completely-and-perfectly normal. (It is not.)
Second, you claim there is no such thing as sexual orientation. On what evidentiary basis?Sexual orientation is an established descriptive concept concerning patterns of romantic and sexual attraction. You may reject the terminology for theological reasons, but rejecting a term does not establish that the human phenomenon it describes does not exist. Furthermore, calling something “unnatural,” “abnormal,” or an “aberration” does not demonstrate that it is sinful. Those are classifications and moral judgments requiring independent justification. Repeating them with increasing emphasis does not constitute biblical evidence.
The idea of 'orientation' has only been 'established' by evil-minded men to distort the truth of the Creator - the One-and-only true living God. It only exists in the minds of those who wish to reject the ways of God and mollify the natural internal disconcerting sense of reproach and shame that comes with a direct-defiance of the common-sense understanding of what God intended for mankind. In other words, there is a part of you which absolutely knows it is wrong (because God put it in you to know it) but does not want to accept it. Romans 1:19-20 tells us of this very thing - and, the rest of the chapter describes the outcome of mankind resisting and rejecting God and His ways.
Third, your appeal to the original manuscripts does not answer my argument.I explicitly distinguished contemporary terminology from the ancient language of Scripture. That is precisely why my post examined Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–11, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10 individually. I did not suggest that modern vocabulary overrides ancient texts. I asked whether those texts actually establish the particular conclusion being asserted. Leviticus describes prohibited conduct. Romans 1 also addresses passions and desires, which must be examined carefully rather than ignored. But none of that licenses you to equate every experience of same-sex attraction with a conscious decision to rebel against God.
Contemporary terminology is full of lies. Scripture is full of truth. Better to be acquainted with and have a good understanding of what scripture says.
I
did not equate "every experience of same-sex attraction with a conscious decision to rebel against God" - I did in fact ascribe the existence of 'non-sin' circumstances and conditions of reality with regard to the inclinations, thoughts, and feelings of a person in the realm of this issue - which, even if "not necessarily sin", are still incorrect/wrong in the sight of God. In other words, even if the person has not sinned in the commission of an action - the very state they are in - having "gay tendencies" - is a state that is "broken"/"defective"/"improper"/"incorrect"/"wrong" - and, in need of correction. But, it is not the person themselves; rather, whatever does not align with what God says is correct/proper/wholesome/etc. -
that needs adjustment/rectification.
When you read Romans 1 to examine carefully what it says about passions and desires, you need to understand that whatever circumstances and conditions may lead to those 'actions' are to be avoided - otherwise, you are
actively "flirting" with [committing] sin - which is exactly why they need to be avoided.
If a person has "gay tendencies", they need to recognize and accept that it is against what God intended for mankind and work to correct the error - whatever the cause - that put them in that 'state' of thinking/feeling/etc. (i.e. it is wrong - period - it must be corrected - now work on correcting it rather than trying to justify it as being 'normal' - because it is not - God said so)
Fourth, your claim that accepting one's orientation constitutes rebellion introduces another proposition you have not demonstrated.Accepting that one experiences a particular attraction is an acknowledgment of an existing condition. It is not automatically an endorsement of every possible action arising from it. Acknowledgment, moral approval, and conduct are three distinct things. You cannot collapse them into one category merely by calling the attraction an abomination. Leviticus 18:22 identifies a prohibited act; it does not state that acknowledging an attraction is itself rebellion. If Scripture makes the additional declaration you attribute to it, identify the passage.
I am not "collapsing" them - it is a good thing if you 'acknowledge' the "condition" but do not give moral approval or exercise conduct - as long as you also acknowledge that the "condition" is not 'normal' according to God - accepting what He says about it. God calls it [an] 'abomination' - and, in that particular sense, even 'attraction' is an abomination in the sense that it is not according to what God intended for mankind. That is what you need to understand.
Some of the passages have already been identified by other folks. You have been ignoring them - demanding that they actually say the words "same-sex attraction is an abomination" verbatim - or some such thing. You refuse to
fully understand the concept(s) as they are given in scripture.
Do you really think that
it is a righteous thing to have an
inclination to steal as long as you do not actually steal? Or, is it wrong?
Do you really think that
it is a righteous thing to have an
inclination to rape as long as you do not actually rape? Or, is it wrong?
You need to look at the larger picture - where the righteousness of God is concerned - and, His ways and will for mankind.
The mere
idea of 'homosexuality' is an 'abomination' to God - He did not intend that it should ever exist in
any form.
It only exists - in any form - because of sin - which "breaks" the natural order of things. (Not that a person's thoughts/feelings of "same-sex attraction" are [necessarily] a direct result of
their sin - but that - the "condition" exists
because of sin - that/which has its
affect on them.)
What is "broken" is because of sin - but, because it is wrong,
still needs to be corrected/reconciled/repaired.