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Is not Jesus HE who formed Adam and created the Universe, and
talked with Noah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob and others: all of whom
believed what he said? There is but One LORD, One Faith, One
Baptism (Eph). Or who do you think Jesus carried up on high after
He left hell; for it is written that He toook captivity captive, and carried
them up on high?
 
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becausehedied

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You ask for a simple answer read the book of Hebrews.
 
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Not biblical huh?

1st Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.[/QUOTE

Your still not understanding this verse properly...try putting it back in the bible and read the context/
It is obvious that it is you that cannot discern the truth here
 
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All people in the Old Testament who repented of their sins and had the blood of animals shed to cover their sins will be saved,for the blood of Jesus washes away their sins completely in the New Testament.

11And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven(Matthew 8:11).

Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob,will be in the kingdom of heaven,as all Old Testament saints.

13But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days(Daniel 12:13).

Daniel is saved.
 

musiclover123

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Wow, after reading most of the posts in this thread, it seems like this was made way more complicated than it needs to be..

The Gospel according to John, Chapter 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

According to this, the Word of God came in the flesh (as Jesus)
The Word was with God, was God, and existed in the beginning with God. This means the Word of God existed from the time of creation through the times of the Old Testament.
Within the Old Covenent, the Word of God came to the Israelites by way of the Law. In that time, the Word of God was the Law, and the Jews were to abide by it.

If Jesus is the Word, and the Word existed in the Old Testement time as the Law and prophecy from God...then wouldn't that mean by observing the Law that Jews accepted the Word of God (which was later known as Jesus)

It always seems like we split this up, and Jesus only existed after His birth and so forth, but the Word of God has always existed.
 
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right !! The whole bible from the beginning to the new beginning because his life is forever is about Jesus !!!!he is the god of the bible !!!
 
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Wow, after reading most of the posts in this thread, it seems like this was made way more complicated than it needs to be..

The Gospel according to John, Chapter 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

According to this, the Word of God came in the flesh (as Jesus)
The Word was with God, was God, and existed in the beginning with God. This means the Word of God existed from the time of creation through the times of the Old Testament.
Within the Old Covenent, the Word of God came to the Israelites by way of the Law. In that time, the Word of God was the Law, and the Jews were to abide by it.

If Jesus is the Word, and the Word existed in the Old Testement time as the Law and prophecy from God...then wouldn't that mean by observing the Law that Jews accepted the Word of God (which was later known as Jesus)

It always seems like we split this up, and Jesus only existed after His birth and so forth, but the Word of God has always existed.
[/QUOTE]Good observation, but there is something that you are missing here.

The Word was always with God from the beginning, yes. that is correct.
The word proceeded from God. So that makes the the Word belonging to God, because it came out of Gods mouth.
His word, no one elses
So the watever the Word does or says, it's God speaking, God doing. God commanding, God authorising.
God speaks, His Word obeys
God speaks, His Word executes.
His Word is always with him. Gods Word has power.
His Word never disobeys
His Word cannot lie
Our Word, sometimes gets broken
Our Word can lie
Our Word doesn't always obey us
If we said, let there be light, our Word would not obey us
Gods Word is different from ours
Gods Word has power.
Gods Word later became flesh
God never became flesh, but his Word did.
God has always been spirit. Thats why no man can see the face of God and live
God put his word into flesh.
His word became a living being, the man Jesus Christ.
Can you see the difference?
 

musiclover123

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I wasn't missing anything as far as the answer to your question. Anything you say I was missing was not relevant to the question at all.

Also, John chapter 1 says that the Word was with God and was God. That means if the Word became flesh, God became flesh.
This is why Jesus is referred to as God manifest in the flesh, and this is why prophecy states He would be called Emmanuel, God with us
 
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cronjecj

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Good observation, but there is something that you are missing here.

The Word was always with God from the beginning, yes. that is correct.
The word proceeded from God. So that makes the the Word belonging to God, because it came out of Gods mouth.
His word, no one elses
So the watever the Word does or says, it's God speaking, God doing. God commanding, God authorising.
God speaks, His Word obeys
God speaks, His Word executes.
His Word is always with him. Gods Word has power.
His Word never disobeys
His Word cannot lie
Our Word, sometimes gets broken
Our Word can lie
Our Word doesn't always obey us
If we said, let there be light, our Word would not obey us
Gods Word is different from ours
Gods Word has power.
Gods Word later became flesh
God never became flesh, but his Word did.
God has always been spirit. Thats why no man can see the face of God and live
God put his word into flesh.
His word became a living being, the man Jesus Christ.
Can you see the difference?
journey:

is Christ the Father also?
 
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Matthew 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.


Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.


Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?


Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.


Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.


Matthew 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.


Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;


Mark 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.


John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.


John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.



John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.


John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:


Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?


1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.


1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


2 Corinthians 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.


Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:


1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.


Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
 

cronjecj

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Matthew 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.


Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.


Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?


Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.


Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.


Matthew 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.


Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;


Mark 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.


John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.


John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.



John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.


John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:


Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?


1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.


1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


2 Corinthians 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.


Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:


1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.


Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
is The Son of God the Father also?
 
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Matthew 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.


Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.


Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?


Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.


Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.


Matthew 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.


Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;


Mark 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.


John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.


John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.



John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.


John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:


Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?


1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.


1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


2 Corinthians 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.


Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:


1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.


Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
So finally you step out in the open and deny the deity of Jesus

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


And to think., people have been banned for the sake of your heresy
 

cronjecj

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So finally you step out in the open and deny the deity of Jesus
And to think., people have been banned for the sake of your heresy
and CF this is exactly what i meant by calling evil good, how sickening isn't it? now that we have seen the truth here.

Woe to them.

Peace.
 
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So finally you step out in the open and deny the deity of Jesus

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

And to think., people have been banned for the sake of your heresy
Are you Zone?