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Cellph1Linksys

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catholics are indeed christians since they collected the books to create the bible themselves! anyway i don 't agree with this whole mary worship thing, purgatory, praying for the saints thing, praying the rosary, and having too many statues of jesus and mary! don't get me wrong i don't really mind having them as long as they don't bow down to it and worship it af is it is GOD!

Am too raised from a Catholic family, but i also don't agree worshiping mary and saints especially their statues.. I find the statues scary,... ahahaha... and definitely Catholics are Christians, as long as they have accepted Jesus in their lives.. thats what being a real christian is all about.. religion wouldn't really matter..
 
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kujo313

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No-one has the right to say you are not a true Christian. I wouldn't take any notice of people who feel they are an authority to make that judgement.

We shall know the people by their fruits. We are allowed to judge that.

To see somebody kneeling with a rosary, repeating "Hail Mary" and wearing her scapular (a promise from "Mary" that if you wear it at the time of your death, you will not go to Hell)... and then comment with "now THERE'S a Christian" ??!!
 
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kujo313

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We shall know the people by their fruits. We are allowed to judge that.

To see somebody kneeling with a rosary, repeating "Hail Mary" and wearing her scapular (a promise from "Mary" that if you wear it at the time of your death, you will not go to Hell)... and then comment with "now THERE'S a Christian" ??!!

How did Jesus respond when asked which commandment was first? Deu 6:5.

"All" means "all".
 
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ParkedRV

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I LOVE CATHOLICS. I Grew up in the Church of Christ (you know the "non-denominational" denomination, granted I love that group of people and have never been to a rude or judgemental church of Christ) anyways my grandparents are catholic and I am really excited to visit my grandmother for her 80th birthday and visit their church on Easter. But as many people have said I agree that catholic youth aren't encouraged to read the Bible personally, which I find very disconcerting because those that try to lead youth away from The Way (that sounds cultish but you know what I mean right, The Way, The Truth, The Life; The name of The Father, The Son, and The Spirit; The Big JC; Our Friend, Our Brother, Our Savior, Our King, Our God.) like I was saying the mean people know the bible better than our youth and that is why our lambs get led astray.
In conclusion I would like to encourage everyone to read The Holy Bible at least every morning, however in saying this I should let you all know that I am a bigger humbug than the great and terrible wizard of oz himself for I am remarkably terrible at waking up and reading my bible.


Well God bless, and good will reading(psst...pray for me to have the desire to wake up earlier for the love of God...literally)
Rudy Vigil
 
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abedinego

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well said sister.
they can chech these verses in deuteronomy 5:1--------
God bless
 
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"That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved." ~ Romans 10:9

Because we have different cultures, traditions, personalities and up-bringings, we have many different denominations of the church. But i believe we are all part of the body of Christ, we have to look after our brothers and sisters. We all have strengths and flaws and strengths, but it is not by works we are saved. I do believe we should try to follow the bible the best we can, but there will always be traditions and cultural differences.

Though i am not a catholic and sometimes don't always believe what they do, what they believe has become part of their culture and tradition in the church, even personally. We can't afford to fight amongst ourselves. Some of you might not believe in their practices or tradition, but if they worship differently, as long as it still glorifies God then it is pleasing to him and good. I'd be more worried about Christian's who are ignoring the guidance of God rather then those who are trying to follow him.

If their heart is in the right place with God, and they are honestly trying to be the best person they can be for Christ, we can work with them and they can work with us, we just have to put aside our difference.

"Make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose," Phil 2:2
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8
" Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:30-31


We all have to same purpose to serve God and others in love.

With most of what I've said, I've made references to bible verses, but I'll look them up for you if your not sure. Anyway, Thanks for listening :)
 
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NickInCali

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But as many people have said I agree that catholic youth aren't encouraged to read the Bible personally, which I find very disconcerting
This is simply not true, as a generality. From individual to individual, family to family, even parish to parish, there may be poor catechesis going on for children, certainly. But the Church itself actively encourages its people, including children, to read and study the Bible, and this is certainly being carried out in many places across the globe. The local parish I attend has great catechesis for both kids and adults. I attend a weekly Bible study there. It's a matter of individuals being fully, passionately committed to the Church's teachings and parish leaders doing what needs to be done to make Biblical education available to parishioners.
 

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People who are saved by grace through faith ARE Christians!!!
 
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AGREE!!!!I myself am a Christian who is in Catholic church!!! Since I was young, I was baptised in a Catholic Church but I repent in a Protestant Church!!who cares?!!! I'm saved by Him through his churches which are CHRISTIANS!

I actually get a little bit..annoyed when they say "Christians are Christians. Catholic are Catholic"
Catholic are Christians!Protestant are Christians!anyone who believes in Him and His salvation are Christians!


...although i agree that young catholic people are less likely to read bible.
I think that because in Catholic church they are lots of prayers which requires a little bit of memorising (It's not a bad thing!:D) and they think that by praying is probably enough. AND! they think that bible is needed to be interpreted only by pastors! but the primary reason is probably laziness T.T(known through my own experience)

It is also unlikely for young Catholic people to share their experience in their "Journeys" to Christ apart in church or from church activities. They probably have this concept of Christianity=Sunday, weekdays=Myself...

OF COURSE!not all are like that!they are still young Catholic who are so devoted to the Lord

Sorry if my comment have offended you, it's just based on my own personal experience and i was also like that :(
Thanks God that He has come at the right place and time.
 

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Jewish popes especially john paul ii, crypto jews and rabbis are the leading force behind the vatican, the jesuits and talmudic liturgy within the church.
This is an ongoing process since decades if not to say since centuries.Does this mean that the whole church is damned if their leadership is totally corrupt and
bowing down to the collective antichrist? Of cause not. God will reserve a remnant to crash down those evil forces within the church some day.Maybe there
will be a tribulation against true Christians, not those pseudo christians advocating and are in bed with the judahizers who some day will surrender the true Christians to the sanhedrin the synagogue of satan and think they are doing God a service.


from Lorraine Day, M.D.
The Evangelicals have made agreements with the Catholics. The Episcopalians and the Evangelical Lutherans have decided to “put aside their differences in a push for unity” and Pope John Paul II spent most of his time promoting Ecumenical alliances, but not just with other Christian denominations. His goal, and the goal of the Catholic Church, is to bring together ALL religions, even Buddhists, Hindus, and other Pagan philosophies, to merge them all into a One World Religion.

The Plan of the New World Order is to combine all these religions under the leadership of the Catholic Church, then destroy the Catholic Church by exposing the immense financial corruption, alcoholism, homosexuality, pedophilia and other types of debauchery among the priests and bishops, thus crushing the faith of the people in their religious leaders and institutions.

Those people, when totally devastated by learning of the utter depravity of the entire Catholic Church hierarchy – all the way to the top – will turn away in complete disgust. They will feel betrayed by their spiritual leaders and lose their faith in God, a situation that will make them ripe for cynicism and ultimately Atheism.

This is actually beginning right now, if one only has the eyes to see. The Catholic Church is full of corruption. It is in the newspapers regularly. Priests and even Archbishops cover up the molestation of children, homosexuality, alcoholism and other acts of moral depravity among priests. By doing so, the Catholic leadership actually promotes these crimes and the leaders thereby become complicit.

Then along comes the media – also virtually 100% Jewish owned and controlled – and EXPOSES the financial and moral crimes of the Catholic Church. This is very confusing to the people, which is exactly their goal – Confusion! “Why,” the average person would ask, ”if the Jews own and run the Catholic Church from behind the scenes, would they, on one hand, promote this debauchery, while on the other hand exposing it through the Jewish-controlled media?”

The answer is: The goal of the Jews is to DESTROY Christianity. They are doing so by promoting filth and corruption in the churches, whether in the Catholic Church, morally corrupt televangelists, or the infiltrated leadership of Protestant denominations, THEN they EXPOSE that filth and corruption – all the time attributing it to “Christian leaders” – while all of it is being carefully orchestrated from behind the scenes by the Jews. The people – the church members - when seeing and understanding this cesspool of the “Christian” leadership (without ever knowing the hidden “hands” behind it all), will leave the churches by the millions.

(That is the problem with the Organized Church, in every denomination. The people have faith in the “Church” and their “Church leaders” rather than having faith in God. They believe that they have faith in God, but if that were so, the crumbling of the Church as an institution would not bother them in the least, because their personal relationship with Jesus Christ would be untouched and the diabolical plan of the New World Order would not work. But the Bible, in Revelation, tells us it WILL work – at least until Jesus comes!)

Once the population has turned their back on their religious beliefs and accepted the lies of Atheism, the One World Government crowd knows that deep within the heart of every human being there is an unconquerable desire to worship. True Christians understand that God has put that desire in everyone, but it will be perverted and exploited by the enemies of Christ who will promote the worship of Lucifer, the “god” of Freemasonry.

It is true that the lower levels of Freemasonry believe that the organization is basically a Christian society, but they are very aware that speaking the name of Jesus Christ in the Masonic lodge is forbidden. The reason given is that of “tolerance for all beliefs” and a desire not to offend anyone. Political correctness reigns supreme. But that is not the REAL reason.

It is only at the high levels of Freemasonry, the 33rd degree and higher, that one learns that the TRUE “god” of Freemasonry is Lucifer – Satan - and NOT the God of the Bible.

Another fact that is virtually unknown by both Christians and non-Christians is that the Catholic Church worldwide is “owned and run” by the Jews. The rituals, rules, control, superstitions and pageantry of Catholicism is nothing more than Jewish Talmudism dressed up in “Christian” clothes. The present pope, Pope Benedict, is Jewish, as was Pope John Paul II (a Polish Jew). The Head of the Jesuits is a Danish Jew, Jesuit General Count Hans von Kolvenbach, who many believe is the most dangerous man in the world. He is called the “Black Pope” because he works from behind the scenes, controlling the affairs of the Church. The visible Pope, the Pope out in front who meets the people, takes orders from the “Black Pope.”
The Coming “New World Order”


Is the Catholic Church Becoming
a Branch of the Synagogue?

Atila Sinke Guimarães

This analysis of John Paul II’s visit to the synagogue of Rome on April 13, 1986 is taken from the non-published volume III of my 11-volume collection on Vatican II, Eli Eli, Lamma Sabacthani?. Given that Benedict XVI will visit the synagogue of Cologne this August, it seemed to me that these considerations on the 1986 visit could provide my readers with some general lines that will probably also apply to the 2005 visit.

1. The symbolic-theological character of the visit

John Paul II’s visit to the Jewsih synagogue of Rome had a character that was substantially theological and should not be viewed as a merely "pastoral" act, as some would like to present it in order to attenuate its gravity. Fr. Giuseppe de Rosa, S.J., affirmed its theological importance in an article in La Civiltà Cattolica commenting on the event:

“The Pope’s meeting with the Hebrew community of Rome – which in some way represented all the Hebrew communities in the world, at least symbolically – has not only a ‘human’ content but also an actual ‘theological’ one. It was the recognition – or better, the confirmation, 20 years after Vatican II – of the ‘turnaround’ worked by the Council regarding the Church’s theological approach to Judaism.” (1)

With the symbolic theological visit, John Paul II clearly broke the tradition of the Holy Church on treatment toward the Jewish religion. Quoting the Pontiff’s speech delivered in the Hebrew temple, a commentator of La Civiltà Cattolica said exactly this:
Pope John Paul II visits the Synagogue of Rome; Papal visit to the Synagogue - 1986 - Is the Catholic Church Becoming a Branch of the Synagogue? Analysis by A.S. Guimaraes

REVOLUTION

"We are the Fathers of all Revolutions - even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the Creators of the REFORMATION! Calvin was one of our Children; he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the Reformation.

"Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends, and again, by Jewish authority and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic Church met with success...

"Thanks to our propaganda, to our theories of Liberalism and to our misrepresentations of Freedom, the minds of many among the Gentiles were ready to welcome the Reformation. They separated from the Church to fall into our snare. And thus the Catholic Church has been very sensibly weakened, and her authority over the Kings of the Gentiles has been reduced almost to naught..
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"We are grateful to Protestants for their loyalty to our wishes - although most of them are, in the sincerity of their faith, unaware of their loyalty to us. We are grateful to them for the wonderful help they are giving us in our fight against the stronghold of Christian Civilization, and in our preparations for the advent of our supremacy over the whole world and over the Kingdoms of the Gentiles.

"So far we have succeeded in overthrowing most of the Thrones of Europe. The rest will follow in the near future. Russia has already worshiped our rule, France, with her Masonic Government, is under our thumb. England, in her dependence upon our finance is under our heel; and in her Protestantism is our hope for the destruction of the Catholic Church. Spain and Mexico are but toys in our hands. And many other countries, including the U.S.A., have already fallen before our scheming.
savethemales.ca - Catholics Unveiled Masonic Jewish Plot in 1936
http://www.johnthebaptist.us/jbw_english/documents/articles/misc/tmi2_jewish_peril.pdf


Jews, the Church,and the History of the World.

In this series, I will explain why Jews and Catholics have had such a rocky history and why Jews and traditional Catholics still have difficulties with each other (as groups) today.

Most people who've been educated in American public schools, who've have had a steady diet of Hollywood, PBS, NPR, and the like, or who have received an education at the typical university, will end up with at least the "sense" of the following equations: Catholics=bad, Jews=good; Catholics=persecuters, Jews=persecuted. They will end up acquiring a blend of very Anglo-centric, Protestant, secular, Jewish, and Marxist views of such things as the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the role of Pope Pius XII in WWII, etc. -- views "supported" by wildly exaggerated statistics, omitting context, ignoring the Catholic view of these incidents, out and out blatant falsifications, and by simply not having a clear understanding of political theory (along with, in the case of members of Protestant sects, not having a clear understanding of orthodox Christian teaching).

Ignorance of the true nature of "Jewish-Catholic relations" goes deep. Very deep. Writing about it will involve revisiting over 2,000 years of history, taking what we think we know and turning 90% of it 45o right-side up. Just have an open mind and conduct your own research into the things I write about.

Part I Basic Concepts: the Talmud
Part II The Noachide Laws
Part III The Historical Memory Hole
Jews, the Church, and the History of the World


We have been told that the Offertory was replaced by a "Jewish table
blessing" -----a change objectionable enough for a host
of reasons. But the reality is far worse: for the Offertory has been
replaced by a prayer with no connection to the practices of the Old
Testament Israelites, but rather which stems from Christ-rejecting
Rabbis who agreed with the Sanhedrin that demanded His death. The
astonishing truth is that in the New Mass, the Offertory, was replaced
by a formula from the Talmud, a classic of hate-literature directed
against Jesus with an intensity and perversity perhaps never equaled. 1
This sacrilege was slipped past the faithful without notice, and
deserves exposure as yet one more reason to loudly demand the
restoration of a liturgy which honors rather than blasphemes the One
Who first said and instituted the Mass itself.

The Offertory had long been a target of the enemies of Christ and His
Church, since it clearly expresses the propitiatory content of the
Sacrifice of Christ which is repeated in an unbloody manner in the
Mass.
REAL STORY OF THE OFFERTORY'S REPLACEMENT
 
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Tobby17

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Catholics are Christians. Who says they aren't?..

They just do a lot of things that i can refer to as..

Well permit me to use the word *Crap*
 
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rodogg

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Jewish popes especially john paul ii
I read that and read no further in disbelief...

HOW and WHY do you think John Paul II was Jewish? Do you mean his ancestry? He was a Christian, and a Catholic Pope!
 
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NickInCali

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Jewish popes especially john paul ii, crypto jews and rabbis are the leading force behind the vatican, the jesuits and talmudic liturgy within the church.
This is an ongoing process since decades if not to say since centuries.Does this mean that the whole church is damned if their leadership is totally corrupt and
bowing down to the collective antichrist? Of cause not. God will reserve a remnant to crash down those evil forces within the church some day.Maybe there
will be a tribulation against true Christians, not those pseudo christians advocating and are in bed with the judahizers who some day will surrender the true Christians to the sanhedrin the synagogue of satan and think they are doing God a service.



The Coming “New World Order”




Pope John Paul II visits the Synagogue of Rome; Papal visit to the Synagogue - 1986 - Is the Catholic Church Becoming a Branch of the Synagogue? Analysis by A.S. Guimaraes



http://www.johnthebaptist.us/jbw_english/documents/articles/misc/tmi2_jewish_peril.pdf



Jews, the Church, and the History of the World



REAL STORY OF THE OFFERTORY'S REPLACEMENT
I'm surprised you had the guts to post this revealing "exposé," Ada. Black helicopters are probably circling your house right now... :rolleyes: It's a lonely trek through life, being an anti-Catholic conspiracy theorist. Sigh.
 

ada

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I read that and read no further in disbelief...

HOW and WHY do you think John Paul II was Jewish? Do you mean his ancestry? He was a Christian, and a Catholic Pope!
Was Pope John Paul II Jewish?
One of many reliable sources.
And by the way advocating the jews in many areas by concurrent weakening the Church is evidence enough.

Pope John Paul II and the Jews

He was not the only jewish pope.
Pope Paul VI born by jewess maria montini was also a jew

~The New Montinian Church by Fr. Joaquin Saenz Y Arriaga, PhD ~
 
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rodogg

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Jewish ANCESTRY and BEING JEWISH are completely different things!!!
 

ada

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Please explain.
I know that to be a jew means to masquerade, constant change or permanent revolution.
Some vital things never change. Looting the gentiles and making money of it.
That's what talmudic kabbalistic judaism is in essential.
Second! There is at least one common enemy to destroy..
That is the reason why they love esther and their annual celebration of death called purim of their alleged enemies.
If no enemy is there, they will be invented.Antisemitism is a political racket!
 
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rodogg

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Please explain.
I know that to be a jew means to masquerade, constant change or permanent revolution.
Some vital things never change. Looting the gentiles and making money of it.
That's what talmudic kabbalistic judaism is in essential.
Second! There is at least one common enemy to destroy..
That is the reason why they love esther and their annual celebration of death called purim of their alleged enemies.
If no enemy is there, they will be invented.Antisemitism is a political racket!
Please explain how it is that being a Jew is different to having Jewish ancestry? I think that's self explanatory. But maybe not.

This is all I have to say: Without Judaism, there is not Christianity. Jesus was a Jew, his mother, his father.
 

Cheekygrin

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ada, how can you be so misguided and disturbed to twist everything into an opportunity to attack Jews? Your behavior is unbalanced and extreme. See it for what it is, racism. Challenge yourself and see if you can contribute without your conspiracy theorist ravings taking over. It's boring.
 

ada

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ada, how can you be so misguided and disturbed to twist everything into an opportunity to attack Jews? Your behavior is unbalanced and extreme. See it for what it is, racism. Challenge yourself and see if you can contribute without your conspiracy theorist ravings taking over. It's boring.
You are the one who is misguided, cause you ignore that the talmudic rabbinical jews are contrary to Jesus Christ.
There is an obligation of the sanhedrin satanic talmud to destroy the Christian Church.Please educate yourself and you will recognize that you have been deceived.
Jesus welcome each jew rejecting satanic judaism and become a believer in him.Judaism as a whole is collective antichrist.But not only that.Judaism is also contrary to mankind.Why because the talmudic tenets are!
Not the catholic church , nor the muslims, or the alleged antisemitic New Testament is. You can call them neocons,you can call them communists,you can call them liberals,you can call them positivists,you can call them freemasons,you can call them atheists or you can call them pornographers or you call them crypto jews in a christian garment.I do not care ..They are not and never will be my brothers as long as they reject Jesus Christ!
 
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