XMAS, GOOD OR EVIL?

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eternally-gratefull

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[QUOTE]He also taught the following the torah would never save anyone. And he was crucified because those practicing judaism in his day did not agree with him. Thus they rejected him as "their" messiah
No one is claiming to be saved by following Torah, it is being an obedient child to the rules of YHVH's house. He was not crucified because of the practicing judaism in His day. You really need to quote scripture right. Yeshua admonished the pharisees and sadducees for keeping talmud and mishna and teaching them above Torah.
If they understood that following torah would not save them. They would have understood they needed Messiah.

They thought messiah was coming to free them from roman tyrany. Not to save them from their sin. This is why they had him sent to be killed.
 
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Originally Posted by Avinu

[QUOTE]He also taught the following the torah would never save anyone. And he was crucified because those practicing judaism in his day did not agree with him. Thus they rejected him as "their" messiah
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Eternally-gratefull, you have it that I made this statement, I did not write this, please correct it.

If they understood that following torah would not save them. They would have understood they needed Messiah.

They thought messiah was coming to free them from roman tyrany. Not to save them from their sin. This is why they had him sent to be killed
Where does it say in scripture that they thought He was coming to save them from Rome? Orthodox judaism looks at the prophecies in the Tanak(OT) as two Messiah's, one who will be King and one who will be Saviour. They don't want to believe that they are both one and the same. They felt He was to come and be King right away, when He came to be a servant, they didn't want anything to do with it, therefore this is why they rejected Him, and wanted Him to be crucified. As I said before, He rebuked them for there false commandments they put over men from the talmud and mishna. I encourage you to study this out. Shalom

 
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Jimmy, hate to bust your bubble, but Yeshua King was a jew, He was a keeper of Torah. So if you're going to follow Him than make sure you know How He walked. Shalom
Yes, Jesus was a Jew. The modern Jewish groups, however, are inheriters of the traditions of the Pharisees and Sadducees. More importantly, modern Judaism does not recognize Christ as Messiah.


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Avinu, do you know what the New Covenent is?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Eternally-gratefull, you have it that I made this statement, I did not write this, please correct it.

Excuse me if you were not able to quote correctly. If you did it would not have "requoted" when I made the quote. So you want me to correct YOUR mistake?
Where does it say in scripture that they thought He was coming to save them from Rome? Orthodox judaism looks at the prophecies in the Tanak(OT) as two Messiah's, one who will be King and one who will be Saviour. They don't want to believe that they are both one and the same. They felt He was to come and be King right away, when He came to be a servant, they didn't want anything to do with it, therefore this is why they rejected Him, and wanted Him to be crucified. As I said before, He rebuked them for there false commandments they put over men from the talmud and mishna. I encourage you to study this out. Shalom
Which is exactly what I said
 

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I FIND IT RATHER CURIOUS THAT SO MANY WHO CLAIM TO TRULY FOLLOW MESSIAH,(THIS IS TO THOSE WHO HAVE APPARENTLY LIVED FOR GOD AT LEAST A FEW YRS. OR MORE) THAT EVEN AFTER THEY HAVE FOUND OUT THAT XMAS IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A PAGAN PRACTICE OF VILE FILFTH, PERVERSION, AND HORRIFIC VIOLENCE TO CHILDREN AND WOMEN.

THEN THEY ARE SHOWN THAT SCRIPTURE IS CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE THINGS IS AN ABOMINATION TO GOD, AND A SIN AND HE WILL NOT BLESS NOR HONOR ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT IT. THEY SAY THINGS LIKE "WELL THAT'S NOT WHAT I DO' OR "I DON'T KEEP IT THAT WAY" ETC. ANY KIND OF EXCUSE SO THEY CAN JUSTIFY TO THEMSELVES THE LAME EXCUSE TO KEEP SINNING.

MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU HONESTLY THINK YOU'RE FOOLING GOD? DO YOU THINK HE DOESN'T SEE THROUGH YOU? BECAUSE YOU SAY " I THINK IT'S REALLY OK, BECAUSE I REALLY MEAN IT FOR YESHUA" THAT HE'S GOING TO SAY, "WELL THEN IT'S OK, EVEN THOUGH I TOLD YOU TO STAY AWAY FROM SUCH THINGS AND THAT IT'S A SIN, BUT SINCE YOU SAID YOU DON'T MEAN IT THAT WAY, I'LL LET YOU DISOBEY ME ON THIS."

LET'S ALSO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT YHVH GAVE US 7 ORDAINED AND COMMANDED FEASTS THAT HE BLESSED FOR US TO KEEP. YET AGAIN, DO YOU THINK YHVH IS GOING TO BLESS YOU FOR KEEPING XMAS WHICH IS EVIL AND BE OK WITH IT, AND BLESS YOU FOR THROWING HIS FEASTS OUT THE DOOR?

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE JUDGEMENT COMING, FOR YOU ALL WHO DO THIS WILL STAND BEFORE YHVH IN THESE MATTERS AND YOUR LAME EXCUSES ARE NOT GOING TO HOLD WATER, I'D DARE SAY YOU WON'T HAVE THE GUTS TO SAY THOSE EXCUSES TO HIM BECAUSE YOUR GUTS WILL BE TURNING INTO WATER.

IT IS TRULY SICKENING HOW ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE OF MESSIAH, HONESTLY THINKS THAT IT'S OK TO JUST TELL GOD THAT HE'LL HAVE TO ACCEPT THEIR WORSHIP THE WAY THEY CHOOSE TO WORSHIP HIM. SCRIPTURE SAYS HE LAUGHS AT PEOPLE LIKE THAT, FOR THEY ARE IN DERISION.

IT IS TIME TO STOP BEING SELFISH TO YHVH, AND START ACTUALLY LISTENING TO HIM WHILE YOU STILL HAVE THE CHANCE.

FOR ANYONE READING THIS WHO HAS NOT HEARD ABOUT THE TRUE ORIGIN OF XMAS. JUST GOOGLE THE 'ORIGIN OF XMAS' AND YOU WILL BE SHOCKED AT WHAT WILL COME UP. YESHUA/JESUS WAS NOT BORN ON DECEMBER 25TH, AND HE DOES NOT WANTING US CELEBRATING THIS BLASPHEMOUS HOLIDAY.
Hey your capitals reveal your intentions.. Just one point for you.

The Christmas story is about our Lord humbling him to a child in a crib and herod the edomite jew who was afraid that the true messiah called Jesus Christ, who is(!) one with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
was announced to come to this world, killed all baby boys cause he was afraid of the true King, God, Jesus Christ, not g_d, not yhvh, not rambam or maimonides, not the jews or edmoites playing g_d..

No the true God does came as a baby child and he was not the military emperor you expected
to lay down the world to the jews but SALVATION FOR ALL MANKIND!! Understand?

And by the way it is called CHRISTMAS not xmas.
Why are they hating the name CHRIST so much?
 
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AVINU!!!!!! HEY DARLIN!

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
 
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AnandaHya

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AVINU!!!!!! HEY DARLIN!

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
lol along that line :)

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCt1s44cfMM&feature=related[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buAETgktOoY&feature=endscreen&NR=1[/video]

I love Christmas time. Its a time when you get to hear songs praising God for His gift of the baby Jesus and people recite to their children the story of the angels proclaiming the birth of the Child. the Messiah. Perhaps He was not born on this date but it is believed that this was the time that Gabriel appeared to Mary and told her of God's plan.

We gather together as a family and exchange tokens of love and remembrance but more than anything we it is spend time together that really matters. The nativity scenes, the Christmas pageants, the hymns that fill the air. I would that we sung Christmas songs praising the birth of Christ all year long.


Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Ephesians 5:18-20
New King James Version (NKJV)
18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, 20 giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
 

Cleante

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Hey your capitals reveal your intentions.. Just one point for you.

The Christmas story is about our Lord humbling him to a child in a crib and herod the edomite jew who was afraid that the true messiah called Jesus Christ, who is(!) one with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
was announced to come to this world, killed all baby boys cause he was afraid of the true King, God, Jesus Christ, not g_d, not yhvh, not rambam or maimonides, not the jews or edmoites playing g_d..

No the true God does came as a baby child and he was not the military emperor you expected
to lay down the world to the jews but SALVATION FOR ALL MANKIND!! Understand?

And by the way it is called CHRISTMAS not xmas.
Why are they hating the name CHRIST so much?
Ειρηνη σοι τω αναγινωσκοντι.

X-mas is not taking the name of Christ out of Christmas.

This is a common misconception. It is rather an abbreviated form of Christmas. The X stands for the Greek letter chi (Χ) which is the first letter of the Christ (ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ).

There are a lot of Christograms around. For instance, in the Christian East the most commonly used Christogram is ICXC, which is the first and last letter of Jesus (ΙΗΣΟΥΣ) and Christ (ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ).

In the Christian West, the most common one is IHS, which is the first three letters of Jesus.

The Jesus Fish we commonly see is actually an acronym. It is spelled Ichthys (ΙΧΘΥΣ) and stands for Ιησους Χριστους, Θεου Υιος, Σωτηρ. This means Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
 

Cleante

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WRONG you are lying!
Me? :eek:

Καλα Χριστουγεννα! (Merry Christmas! Lit. Happy Christ's Birth!)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Ειρηνη σοι τω αναγινωσκοντι.

X-mas is not taking the name of Christ out of Christmas.

This is a common misconception. It is rather an abbreviated form of Christmas. The X stands for the Greek letter chi (Χ) which is the first letter of the Christ (ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ).

There are a lot of Christograms around. For instance, in the Christian East the most commonly used Christogram is ICXC, which is the first and last letter of Jesus (ΙΗΣΟΥΣ) and Christ (ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ).

In the Christian West, the most common one is IHS, which is the first three letters of Jesus.

The Jesus Fish we commonly see is actually an acronym. It is spelled Ichthys (ΙΧΘΥΣ) and stands for Ιησους Χριστους, Θεου Υιος, Σωτηρ. This means Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
how absurb you would try to excuse yourself this way. to proud to just say I am sorry

In my language when you take the word "Christ": out. you are removing him from the holiday
 
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Hey your capitals reveal your intentions.. Just one point for you.

The Christmas story is about our Lord humbling him to a child in a crib and herod the edomite jew who was afraid that the true messiah called Jesus Christ, who is(!) one with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
was announced to come to this world, killed all baby boys cause he was afraid of the true King, God, Jesus Christ, not g_d, not yhvh, not rambam or maimonides, not the jews or edmoites playing g_d..

No the true God does came as a baby child and he was not the military emperor you expected
to lay down the world to the jews but SALVATION FOR ALL MANKIND!! Understand?

And by the way it is called CHRISTMAS not xmas.
Why are they hating the name CHRIST so much?
Ada, by what you have put here, it is clear you don't study history. xmas has nothing to do with Yeshua or His birth, He wasn't born anywhere near xmas. Scripture proves that. What Herod did has nothing to do with this post either. YHVH is God's real name in hebrew as well as Yeshua is Jesus real name in hebrew, especially since the letter J didn't exist until about 500 yrs. ago. You're just wanting something to rant about. I suggest you know what your talking about first before you rant anymore.
 
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LIZ!!!! HAPPY SATAN DAY TO YOU TOO!!!! :)
 

Elizabeth619

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HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!!

wow some people are uptight
 
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Bloodwashed

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Cleante!! Hello, I don't think they are saying you are lying. I know what you say is true!--Mark--
 

Elizabeth619

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I FIND IT RATHER CURIOUS THAT SO MANY WHO CLAIM TO TRULY FOLLOW MESSIAH,(THIS IS TO THOSE WHO HAVE APPARENTLY LIVED FOR GOD AT LEAST A FEW YRS. OR MORE) THAT EVEN AFTER THEY HAVE FOUND OUT THAT XMAS IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A PAGAN PRACTICE OF VILE FILFTH, PERVERSION, AND HORRIFIC VIOLENCE TO CHILDREN AND WOMEN.

THEN THEY ARE SHOWN THAT SCRIPTURE IS CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE THINGS IS AN ABOMINATION TO GOD, AND A SIN AND HE WILL NOT BLESS NOR HONOR ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT IT. THEY SAY THINGS LIKE "WELL THAT'S NOT WHAT I DO' OR "I DON'T KEEP IT THAT WAY" ETC. ANY KIND OF EXCUSE SO THEY CAN JUSTIFY TO THEMSELVES THE LAME EXCUSE TO KEEP SINNING.

MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU HONESTLY THINK YOU'RE FOOLING GOD? DO YOU THINK HE DOESN'T SEE THROUGH YOU? BECAUSE YOU SAY " I THINK IT'S REALLY OK, BECAUSE I REALLY MEAN IT FOR YESHUA" THAT HE'S GOING TO SAY, "WELL THEN IT'S OK, EVEN THOUGH I TOLD YOU TO STAY AWAY FROM SUCH THINGS AND THAT IT'S A SIN, BUT SINCE YOU SAID YOU DON'T MEAN IT THAT WAY, I'LL LET YOU DISOBEY ME ON THIS."

LET'S ALSO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT YHVH GAVE US 7 ORDAINED AND COMMANDED FEASTS THAT HE BLESSED FOR US TO KEEP. YET AGAIN, DO YOU THINK YHVH IS GOING TO BLESS YOU FOR KEEPING XMAS WHICH IS EVIL AND BE OK WITH IT, AND BLESS YOU FOR THROWING HIS FEASTS OUT THE DOOR?

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE JUDGEMENT COMING, FOR YOU ALL WHO DO THIS WILL STAND BEFORE YHVH IN THESE MATTERS AND YOUR LAME EXCUSES ARE NOT GOING TO HOLD WATER, I'D DARE SAY YOU WON'T HAVE THE GUTS TO SAY THOSE EXCUSES TO HIM BECAUSE YOUR GUTS WILL BE TURNING INTO WATER.

IT IS TRULY SICKENING HOW ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE OF MESSIAH, HONESTLY THINKS THAT IT'S OK TO JUST TELL GOD THAT HE'LL HAVE TO ACCEPT THEIR WORSHIP THE WAY THEY CHOOSE TO WORSHIP HIM. SCRIPTURE SAYS HE LAUGHS AT PEOPLE LIKE THAT, FOR THEY ARE IN DERISION.

IT IS TIME TO STOP BEING SELFISH TO YHVH, AND START ACTUALLY LISTENING TO HIM WHILE YOU STILL HAVE THE CHANCE.

FOR ANYONE READING THIS WHO HAS NOT HEARD ABOUT THE TRUE ORIGIN OF XMAS. JUST GOOGLE THE 'ORIGIN OF XMAS' AND YOU WILL BE SHOCKED AT WHAT WILL COME UP. YESHUA/JESUS WAS NOT BORN ON DECEMBER 25TH, AND HE DOES NOT WANTING US CELEBRATING THIS BLASPHEMOUS HOLIDAY.

You know. When I was a child my parents always told me that people celebrate Christmas as the bithday of Jesus, but as Christians everyday should be Christmas....we should celebrate his birth every day of the year. Not just ONE day.

So in my house we did the whole Santa and Christmas tree thing, and concentrated on family and love and ending the year with those you love. We didn't celebrate the religous aspect of it much, because I was always taight it is rather wrong to celebrate his birth just one time a year.

Speaking of Santa....Avinu...wanna see my Christmas tree??????? lol it is just SATANIC! ;)
 

Elizabeth619

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Ειρηνη σοι τω αναγινωσκοντι.

X-mas is not taking the name of Christ out of Christmas.

This is a common misconception. It is rather an abbreviated form of Christmas. The X stands for the Greek letter chi (Χ) which is the first letter of the Christ (ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ).

There are a lot of Christograms around. For instance, in the Christian East the most commonly used Christogram is ICXC, which is the first and last letter of Jesus (ΙΗΣΟΥΣ) and Christ (ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ).

In the Christian West, the most common one is IHS, which is the first three letters of Jesus.

The Jesus Fish we commonly see is actually an acronym. It is spelled Ichthys (ΙΧΘΥΣ) and stands for Ιησους Χριστους, Θεου Υιος, Σωτηρ. This means Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.

When I am texting on my cell phone I type xmas because I am too lazy to type the whole word out.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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see now here is a reasonable excuse ;)