XMAS, GOOD OR EVIL?
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HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!
Using X-mas is not taking Christ out of the holiday... Re-read the post.
"The word "Christ" and its compounds, including "Christmas", have been abbreviated in English for at least the past 1,000 years, long before the modern "Xmas" was commonly used. "Christ" was often written as "XP" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as AD 1021. This X and P arose as the uppercase forms of the Greek letters χ and ρ used in ancient abbreviations for Χριστος (Greek for "Christ"),[2] and are still widely seen in many Eastern Orthodox icons depicting Jesus Christ. The labarum, an amalgamation of the two Greek letters rendered as ☧, is a symbol often used to represent Christ in Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox Christian Churches.[18]" -Wikipedia
Also, Some Greek Manuscripts abbreviate Jesus as IC and Christ as XC... Are they trying to remove Christ from the scriptures?
Ignorance is bliss.
Using X-mas is not taking Christ out of the holiday... Re-read the post.
"The word "Christ" and its compounds, including "Christmas", have been abbreviated in English for at least the past 1,000 years, long before the modern "Xmas" was commonly used. "Christ" was often written as "XP" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as AD 1021. This X and P arose as the uppercase forms of the Greek letters χ and ρ used in ancient abbreviations for Χριστος (Greek for "Christ"),[2] and are still widely seen in many Eastern Orthodox icons depicting Jesus Christ. The labarum, an amalgamation of the two Greek letters rendered as ☧, is a symbol often used to represent Christ in Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox Christian Churches.[18]" -Wikipedia
Also, Some Greek Manuscripts abbreviate Jesus as IC and Christ as XC... Are they trying to remove Christ from the scriptures?
Ignorance is bliss.
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Liz, read Jeremiah 10:1-4, and Jeremiah 3:13. I would honestly like your thoughts on these verses. Shalom[/QUOTE]
I used to think like you beloved. But I now see these differently. Even if you wanted to take it as a literal tree, we must realize one thing.
Jeremiah 10:5
5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Who does a christmas tree hold power over, them or you?
I used to think like you beloved. But I now see these differently. Even if you wanted to take it as a literal tree, we must realize one thing.
Jeremiah 10:5
5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Who does a christmas tree hold power over, them or you?
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It all depends on HOW you celebrate Christmas.
If you celebrate it by decorating a tree with lights and tokens, burning a fire, singing secular songs, spending lots of money on material things, and getting drunk, then I agree with you. These are pagan traditions. I'm frustrated by how many of them have crept into the church.
But honoring a day for Jesus' birth, as it is described in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, there is nothing wrong with that. True, we don't know what day it was. It probably wasn't December 25. I know that day was picked to compete with the Pagan festivals. But it was picked, and there it is. Why not celebrate it then? It is really cool symbolism: in the darkest time of the year, Christ, the light of the world, comes as a baby. Singing hymns that praise God and his son Jesus, worshiping the King who was born in a lowly cattle shed, the boy who was born in the City of Bread, to be the Bread of Life. You know, I see nothing wrong with celebrating Christmas as long as you focus on Jesus.
And, if you want to buy a tree and put lights on it, and tokens, I have no problem with that. Call it a holiday tree, or whatever .... There is no law in the Bible that says we are not allowed to celebrate civic holidays. I see celebrating the Solstice with the secular traditions (trees, santa, etc.) no worse than celebrating, say, Independence Day or Memorial Day. These holidays are certainly not religious in origin, but that doesn't mean they are sinful, and we are not sinning to partake in the nation's traditional celebrations of gift exchanges, social gatherings, etc. As long as you don't pretend that it's a religious celebration, I have no problem with it.
Keep the sacred sacred and the secular secular, and there really is no problem here.
If you celebrate it by decorating a tree with lights and tokens, burning a fire, singing secular songs, spending lots of money on material things, and getting drunk, then I agree with you. These are pagan traditions. I'm frustrated by how many of them have crept into the church.
But honoring a day for Jesus' birth, as it is described in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, there is nothing wrong with that. True, we don't know what day it was. It probably wasn't December 25. I know that day was picked to compete with the Pagan festivals. But it was picked, and there it is. Why not celebrate it then? It is really cool symbolism: in the darkest time of the year, Christ, the light of the world, comes as a baby. Singing hymns that praise God and his son Jesus, worshiping the King who was born in a lowly cattle shed, the boy who was born in the City of Bread, to be the Bread of Life. You know, I see nothing wrong with celebrating Christmas as long as you focus on Jesus.
And, if you want to buy a tree and put lights on it, and tokens, I have no problem with that. Call it a holiday tree, or whatever .... There is no law in the Bible that says we are not allowed to celebrate civic holidays. I see celebrating the Solstice with the secular traditions (trees, santa, etc.) no worse than celebrating, say, Independence Day or Memorial Day. These holidays are certainly not religious in origin, but that doesn't mean they are sinful, and we are not sinning to partake in the nation's traditional celebrations of gift exchanges, social gatherings, etc. As long as you don't pretend that it's a religious celebration, I have no problem with it.
Keep the sacred sacred and the secular secular, and there really is no problem here.
Israel, I'm sorry to hear you've gone back to this. It has nothing to do with whether or not the tree has power, clearly it doesn't. It's the idolatry that is used with it. Did you read Jer. 3:13? There's no second guessing. Even the Wicca's are a extreme pagan cult that worship trees like there going out of style.
The tree itself is not pagan, no arguement there. It's how it's used, It says very plainly. The axeman,(depending on trans.) cuts down the tree with his axe, sets it up so it doesn't fall over, and adorns it with silver and gold. I'm sorry but that is the exact description of a xmas tree all day long. YHVH is smart, He knew what to warn us about way ahead of time.
Besides YHVH's word is clear, DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THESE THINGS. Just because someone insists that they are doing it for Yeshua does not make it ok. It boils down to they want what they want, it doesn't matter what YHVH has told them not to do.
YHVH says" Don't do this, this is set aside for evil, this is not my Son's b-day, I didn't even give you the date" And those who insist on keeping xmas are saying " It's ok God, I'VE DECIDED it's ok, I've decided to make it about you. The kids will love it, and You'll love it because I'VE DECIDED."
Israel, we are talking about the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of all creation who dropped kick my people in their rearend everytime they disobeyed. We are talking about the God of all, who told us in scripture " If the just shall SCARCELY make it, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear." The God who said "We will be held accountable for EVERY idle word"
Israel, this is not a God that we get to just declare something to and He'll just have to accept it. It doesn't work that way, we are not in charge. He is in charge and He is going to have things His way and He is not going to change what He has set in His word. And no matter how hard someone wants to rationalize, or make any kind of logic out of their arguement, YHVH cannot be fooled and they will answer for their disobedience.
What is even worse, is they're all about jumping on the train of kicking His blessed and ordained Feasts that we know for a fact are from Him, to the curb. And don't even want to give it a second look, but they're all over keeping celebrations that are documented historical facts of paganism. Now how backwards is that? Shalom
The tree itself is not pagan, no arguement there. It's how it's used, It says very plainly. The axeman,(depending on trans.) cuts down the tree with his axe, sets it up so it doesn't fall over, and adorns it with silver and gold. I'm sorry but that is the exact description of a xmas tree all day long. YHVH is smart, He knew what to warn us about way ahead of time.
Besides YHVH's word is clear, DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THESE THINGS. Just because someone insists that they are doing it for Yeshua does not make it ok. It boils down to they want what they want, it doesn't matter what YHVH has told them not to do.
YHVH says" Don't do this, this is set aside for evil, this is not my Son's b-day, I didn't even give you the date" And those who insist on keeping xmas are saying " It's ok God, I'VE DECIDED it's ok, I've decided to make it about you. The kids will love it, and You'll love it because I'VE DECIDED."
Israel, we are talking about the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of all creation who dropped kick my people in their rearend everytime they disobeyed. We are talking about the God of all, who told us in scripture " If the just shall SCARCELY make it, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear." The God who said "We will be held accountable for EVERY idle word"
Israel, this is not a God that we get to just declare something to and He'll just have to accept it. It doesn't work that way, we are not in charge. He is in charge and He is going to have things His way and He is not going to change what He has set in His word. And no matter how hard someone wants to rationalize, or make any kind of logic out of their arguement, YHVH cannot be fooled and they will answer for their disobedience.
What is even worse, is they're all about jumping on the train of kicking His blessed and ordained Feasts that we know for a fact are from Him, to the curb. And don't even want to give it a second look, but they're all over keeping celebrations that are documented historical facts of paganism. Now how backwards is that? Shalom
Avinu, I love you to pieces. I am just giving you a hard time. 
Yes, I do have a tree and presents, and decorations. Do I do this to celebrate the pagan festivities? No. I do it because of the kids(i know, bad excuse)
This year I will admit that I have gone overboard on materialistic things. I did it because this is my nieces and nephews first Christmas without thier mom(my sister died in june). nope, santa cant bring her back, but to me this time of year is about FAMILY. The birth of Jesus should be celebrated EVERY DAY. not just december 25.
I also have to say I love to see a smile on a child's face on Christmas morning.
Yes, I do have a tree and presents, and decorations. Do I do this to celebrate the pagan festivities? No. I do it because of the kids(i know, bad excuse)
This year I will admit that I have gone overboard on materialistic things. I did it because this is my nieces and nephews first Christmas without thier mom(my sister died in june). nope, santa cant bring her back, but to me this time of year is about FAMILY. The birth of Jesus should be celebrated EVERY DAY. not just december 25.
I also have to say I love to see a smile on a child's face on Christmas morning.
Avinu, I love you to pieces. I am just giving you a hard time.
Even though you and I disagree on some stuff, you've always been funny and respectful, I know you're just giving me crap.
Yes, I do have a tree and presents, and decorations. Do I do this to celebrate the pagan festivities? No. I do it because of the kids(i know, bad excuse)
This year I will admit that I have gone overboard on materialistic things. I did it because this is my nieces and nephews first Christmas without thier mom(my sister died in june). nope, santa cant bring her back, but to me this time of year is about FAMILY. The birth of Jesus should be celebrated EVERY DAY. not just december 25.
I also have to say I love to see a smile on a child's face on Christmas morning.
Even though you and I disagree on some stuff, you've always been funny and respectful, I know you're just giving me crap.
Yes, I do have a tree and presents, and decorations. Do I do this to celebrate the pagan festivities? No. I do it because of the kids(i know, bad excuse)
This year I will admit that I have gone overboard on materialistic things. I did it because this is my nieces and nephews first Christmas without thier mom(my sister died in june). nope, santa cant bring her back, but to me this time of year is about FAMILY. The birth of Jesus should be celebrated EVERY DAY. not just december 25.
I also have to say I love to see a smile on a child's face on Christmas morning.
I'm really sorry about your sister, I lost mine aug. 2010, her and my wife were attached at the hip, it really flipped us upside down. I want to challenge you to try something next year. Just between you and I. Try celebrating Yeshua on Sukkot, Feast of Tabernacles, I think you'll be surprised about how awesome and fun it is. It makes xmas look like mud in comparison. If you want. Shalom
