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wow. what Bible do you read? I have had many discussion with those who believe as you do. You have gone the most far left of anyone I have seen.
Romans 1 speaks of those who worship false Gods. Who live a life of sin, and chose that over God. who are "rightly judged" (condemned)
The elect are not condemned. You should study more. Where you get this stuff is beyond me
Romans 1 speaks of those who worship false Gods. Who live a life of sin, and chose that over God. who are "rightly judged" (condemned)
The elect are not condemned. You should study more. Where you get this stuff is beyond me
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I will never understand this false logic they have.
How could we feel superior?
superiority comes based on accomplishment, or great deed.
Our salvation is based on the fact we sat still, did nothing, admitted defeat and guilt, and we are rightly judged, and allowed God to come pull us out of the water because we could not save ourselves. we were totally helpless, and came to the throne of grace and asked for gods gift. How can this give anyone superiority complex. if anything, it would give shame.
'IF I BE LIFTED UP' The action of this verb is aorist/passive/subjunctive, which means that without having any reference to time (aorist), Christ is to have this action acted upon Him (passive) as to lifting or exalting Him not as a fact that will take place, but potentially or possibly (subjunctive), which may or may not occur. In other words Jesus was saying that He has to be exalted by others, which may or may not occur at any time, but if He is lifted up from the earth then ...
'I WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME' The action of this verb is future/active/indicative, which means that at a later time (future) when a certain action has taken place (lifted up) He will produce the action (active) and draw or drag off all men unto Himself, which will occur as a fact (indicative) in the future in response to being lifted up.
ALL MEN means individually or collectively. This would include ALL that His blood was shed for and had suffered death being judged for ALL sin. By virtue of the fact that He died for ALL sinners, then ALL those that are drawn by Him, as He is lifted up, will have the opportunity through grace to believe upon Him. To as many as receive Him, to them gave He the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name (Jn 1:12). This is why we must respond to the call of God and go out into ALL the world and preach the gospel to EVERY creature (Mk 16:15).
'I WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME' The action of this verb is future/active/indicative, which means that at a later time (future) when a certain action has taken place (lifted up) He will produce the action (active) and draw or drag off all men unto Himself, which will occur as a fact (indicative) in the future in response to being lifted up.
ALL MEN means individually or collectively. This would include ALL that His blood was shed for and had suffered death being judged for ALL sin. By virtue of the fact that He died for ALL sinners, then ALL those that are drawn by Him, as He is lifted up, will have the opportunity through grace to believe upon Him. To as many as receive Him, to them gave He the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name (Jn 1:12). This is why we must respond to the call of God and go out into ALL the world and preach the gospel to EVERY creature (Mk 16:15).
In reality I chose to believe. God wants ALL men to believe and be saved. Those that seek shall find.
Grace is not a "force". It is simply undeserved divine favor. Grace does not make anyone do anything.
Of course not.
Of course he did.
God knows all mens hearts. He knew Paul was zealous and dedicated, truly believing he was doing the will of God by killing Christians. When Jesus witnessed to him, it woke him up as to what the truth was. Paul chose to change his thinking, learn the truth about Christ, and teach it. He could have said no. It's a choice each of us makes every day, to walk with God, or not.
Grace is not a "force". It is simply undeserved divine favor. Grace does not make anyone do anything.
Of course not.
Of course he did.
God knows all mens hearts. He knew Paul was zealous and dedicated, truly believing he was doing the will of God by killing Christians. When Jesus witnessed to him, it woke him up as to what the truth was. Paul chose to change his thinking, learn the truth about Christ, and teach it. He could have said no. It's a choice each of us makes every day, to walk with God, or not.
God knows all mens hearts. He knew Paul was zealous and dedicated, truly believing he was doing the will of God by killing Christians. When Jesus witnessed to him, it woke him up as to what the truth was. Paul chose to change his thinking, learn the truth about Christ, and teach it. He could have said no. It's a choice each of us makes every day, to walk with God, or not. (quote by shroom)
Ok, if you believe that so be it.
Ok, if you believe that so be it.
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As I have said before, " you will never understand the grace of God until you understand the depravity of man, yes and even the elect are depraved. God's chosen nation of Israel many times turned away from God and did terriable things. Ps 106 talks about the same things as Rom 1. Ps 106:40-45, Therefore was the wrath of the Lord kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance. And he gave them into the hand of the heathen; and they that hated them ruled over them. Their enemies also oppressed them, and they were brought into subjection under their hand. Many times did he deliver them; but they provoked him with their counsel, and were brought low for their iniquity. Nevertheless he regarded their affliction, when he heard their cry; And he remembered for them his covenant, and repented according to the multitude of his mercies. This God did after they had sacrificied their sons ansd daughters unto devils, and shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan; and the land was polluted with blood. These people in Rom 1 are under God's covenant as were those in Ps 106. Those in God's covenant were made by Christ's crucifiction Holy and without blame by their sin's being paid for, but even though we are in God's eye's Holy and without blame as far as our eternal destination is concerned, we still carry the sinful nature of the flesh as we live here in this world and often times do some terriable things, the warfare Paul tells us that is within us. Do you understand your own depravity? God judges his elect here in this world and he does not judge the non-elect until the last day.
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If you are reading from the KJV Gal 2:16 says man is justified by faith "OF" Christ, not faith "IN" Christ. Eph 2:8, For by grace ye are saved through(Christ's faith and not man's faith), if you are going to make it harmonise with Gal 2:16. Many men like to exhalt themselves and demenish God's grace when it comes to their eternal salvation. If you hold to it being man's faith that justifies in Gal 2:16, then you are the one that is twisting scripture!!
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God did not inspire the KJV. He inspired Paul to write those words.
When Paul wrote it (in Greek) He wrote that faith (Feminine noun) and Jesus Christ (masculine noun) in any language a feminine noun and a masculine noun are not related in any way. If Paul meant to say it was Gods faith, He would have used the "masculine" form of the word faith. He did not, because he did not intend for us to think it was Christ's faith. If you want to believe this based on faulty logic and on a flawed English interpretation of Gods inspired word. Thats your problem!
When Paul wrote it (in Greek) He wrote that faith (Feminine noun) and Jesus Christ (masculine noun) in any language a feminine noun and a masculine noun are not related in any way. If Paul meant to say it was Gods faith, He would have used the "masculine" form of the word faith. He did not, because he did not intend for us to think it was Christ's faith. If you want to believe this based on faulty logic and on a flawed English interpretation of Gods inspired word. Thats your problem!
Isn't every man born into this world totally depraved through the sin and transgression of Adam (Ps 51:5, Rom 3:23)? All are conceived in sin and shapen in iniquity! Born speaking lies (Ps 58:3)! All have gone backward and have been lead astray and all have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Is 53:6, Rom 3:10-12). If ALL have sinned then why would Christ only shed His blood for those that would be given Him of the Father? You are not harmonizing with the scriptures in your understanding because Christ did not just die to be the propitiation for only the sins of the believer, but also for the sins of the whole world (1Jn 2:2). You seem to rationalize this scripture instead of letting it teach you the harmony that you demand from others. That is not being honest with the truth and at the age of (76) you should be concerned with being honest as to what the scriptures teach. Go back and examine yourself in that area and see if you are in the faith.
The bible says in Heb 11:1 that faith is the substance of things hope for and evidence of things not seen. There are two types of faith, the Abraham kind of faith and Thomas kind of faith. The Abraham type of faith was a strong faith even when the evidence was not seen he never compromise knowing that it will come to pass in refrence to this Romans 4:17-21 unlike the Thomas faith which seeing is believe, that is why as a christain we need to exercise the Abraham type of faith all the time. Being a christain is by faith of the promise of God that we are the decendand of Abraham. Faith is one of the principle thing. Though faith without work is dead. Shallom
You may believe something or think that you do but when what you believe in is tested that is when you find out if it is true faith.
Faith is something you have to fight for. When new believers come to the Lord and their life seams to turn upside down. They don’t always understand what is happening. That this is an attack from Satan. He does not want to see you turn your life over to God. This is when you need to step out in your faith and use your authority in Jesus name and through is blood. Remember to believe what you read in the Bible and then to apply it to your life. Speak out loud you faith what promise you are standing on. There is a verse in the Bible that says I believe and therefore I spoke2 Corinthians 4:13 Do not let fear or embarrassment stop you
Faith is what it takes to move GOD. There are many promises in the Bible, but they are not exercised by every Christian. We must follow through on the requirements to claim that promise. Then claim that promise through faith in GOD’s word. If there is something you want to believe GOD for . Read about the faith of others in your Bible. How did they handle waiting for the promise. Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. The great people of faith in the Bible had to wrestle with doubt. Abraham called Sarah his sister for fear of death. Sara laughed with she heard she would have a child in her old age. They overcame their doubt and so can you.
When in doubt pick up the word and read about people of faith. That will give you spiritual strength. Faith is not just in your mind you have to let it flow into your heart. Look at many of the stories in the Bible the people not only spoke their faith. They moved in their faith in what Jesus said. In the Bible stories they are either moving to get close to Jesus or they are moving to do what Jesus has told them. Either way their faith is in action. Without faith it is impossible to please GOD. Remember when Jesus went to his home town. He could do few miracles because of their unbelief.
Faith is something you have to fight for. When new believers come to the Lord and their life seams to turn upside down. They don’t always understand what is happening. That this is an attack from Satan. He does not want to see you turn your life over to God. This is when you need to step out in your faith and use your authority in Jesus name and through is blood. Remember to believe what you read in the Bible and then to apply it to your life. Speak out loud you faith what promise you are standing on. There is a verse in the Bible that says I believe and therefore I spoke2 Corinthians 4:13 Do not let fear or embarrassment stop you
Faith is what it takes to move GOD. There are many promises in the Bible, but they are not exercised by every Christian. We must follow through on the requirements to claim that promise. Then claim that promise through faith in GOD’s word. If there is something you want to believe GOD for . Read about the faith of others in your Bible. How did they handle waiting for the promise. Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. The great people of faith in the Bible had to wrestle with doubt. Abraham called Sarah his sister for fear of death. Sara laughed with she heard she would have a child in her old age. They overcame their doubt and so can you.
When in doubt pick up the word and read about people of faith. That will give you spiritual strength. Faith is not just in your mind you have to let it flow into your heart. Look at many of the stories in the Bible the people not only spoke their faith. They moved in their faith in what Jesus said. In the Bible stories they are either moving to get close to Jesus or they are moving to do what Jesus has told them. Either way their faith is in action. Without faith it is impossible to please GOD. Remember when Jesus went to his home town. He could do few miracles because of their unbelief.
