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Duet 30:19 is not talking about "eternal life" but an aboundant life we can have here in this world if we obey his commandments. Man has choices to make while here on earth but the natural man is not capable of choosing any thing of a spiritual nature because he cannot descern spirtual things, they are foolishness unto him, 1 Cor 2:14.
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Matt 11:25, At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank tee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. The fact that there are but a few that believe the doctrine that I do makes me feel that I am understanding Christ's doctrine as there were but a few that understood his doctrine in his day. I have never claimed to be a Calvinist.
Christ is "the second chance",,,,,,,,,we all fell to sin and fell short of the glory of god and so he came do redeem us from the death,,,the first life we had squandered,,,,,,and he resurrected us from that death in his blood.and of it he said when they ask if they return and ask forgiveness,forgive,,,,and if they return and ask 7 times more,,turn the cheek and if they smite it again "the other",,,,,he did not love any of us only in that moment only where for a brief second of time we were made whole at the last drop of his blood on the cross,,,,,,,,,when all was forgiven,,,,,but when we came away from the cross and our tears dried and we them woke the next day and began to forget and drifted away in our thoughts,and started looking at the things and were distracted,,,,,you know,the thing we pray for and ask the lord to "keep our mind focused in,,,,,,,when we are strong",,,,,,that when we drift away,,,,,,,,,"he is still in the midst of loving you",,,,,,,,,this was the second time,,,,and the third when we do it again,and cry and ask forgiveness,,and he forgives
"i am not a strong christian",,,,,,,,"are you?",,,,i am most miserable at it,,,,,,,,,i am weak,,,,,,,,,i become angry and ask for forgiveness,,,,,most every day and most every day i find i must ask forgiveness several time a day.,,,,and some days i go to town and talk to people and at first I'm strong but after a while i forget or something ,,,,"i cannot put my finger on the exact moment in time",but i look back at it when i ask the lord to forgive me when i pray.,,,,and i ask him to help me be strong and shorten the times where i cannot remain "bridled",,,,,though in my mind i wish they would go away.,,,,,,,"can you bridle the mind and never go astray?,,,,,i have read all of the books i began in the beginning and went to the end,,,and i saw that i was not strong like Moses,and i was not like Paul,,, i knew that i was not a smart man,,,,,,,,i struggled to know it,,,,,,i understood it in this hand,and could control it in the other hand,,,,,,,but i could not hold it in both hands at once.,i tried to conquer it but i could not,,,in mine own self i am lost.only because of grace would i have a chance,,,"saved",,,,as if i could not do it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lord thank you for sending my lord to save me,,"i cannot save me",,,i am in a shipwreck in the middle of the ocean and have no float,and you have been crucified and saved me",,,,,,when my spirit could not make my fingers do it you have become my Savior i had no work to do but to be saved.thank you for saving me,thank you for taking it out of my hands because i would have ruined it i know and you have come to redeem me from it you have had pity on me.there you are lord on the cross,,,the father would have not sent you if i could have bridled it,,,,,,but i could not,and lord there you are on the cross,,,,i cringe to think you were tortured for me,and i would to catch all of your blood and to give it back to you.,i am ashamed of me,,,if it were not for me you would not have need to come and to have your joints dislocated,,they would have not looked upon your nakedness,,nor spit in your face. who are you my lord who is so beautiful,and who am i who is so nasty,,,,,,,,,,where is Zechariah?,,,to measure it?,,,,,,,let him swing the plummet before the face of you the temple of it.all i can offer is my thanks for this gift,and my gratitude,,,,,,i am humbled in it,,,i would that we could sit and cry.,many men have ask me "have you been saved yet?",,,,,,,,,,i did not know what to say at first,so i looked at it,,,,,,,,,and i tried to save myself,,,,,i followed all their instructions,,,,,,,,after a while i realized i was trying to "save myself because i denied you had saved me on the cross",,,,,,when i was far spent trying to save myself,i turned around to thank you for saving me on the cross,what a weight came off of me to rest from the works of saving me mine own self, and to rest in your salvation.when i drank that water i was not thirsty anymore,and i was full when i ate that food.and as though i had never slept i then did rest.there is only one fruit brought to heaven,,,,,it is great thanksgiving,and praise,it is an joy and if it is not in your heart you cannot give it.and if you struggle to give it it is not in your heart and the lord will refuse it,but it will be always there for you to give when you will give it.
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The elect are the people, angels and beings that God has chosen to fulfill a special purpose for Him. Israel was elect to bring forth the Messiah. The elect angels are with Jesus (1 Timothy 5:21). Jesus was called "elect" by God. It denotes a special role. Not being saved.
There is not one verse in the Bible that speaks of election meaning "elected to salvation."
There is not one verse in the Bible that speaks of election meaning "elected to salvation."
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Should I teach a lie that people who have went on who were not saved will be given a second chance when it is not true? why should I give people a false hope? If someone is worried about a loved one they need to give them the gospel. If a loved one rejects them, yes it is sad. I have seen many go rejecting God. But it is not my fault.
Why on the other hand would you teach that God does give us a second death, and give people a false hope?
Why on the other hand would you teach that God does give us a second death, and give people a false hope?
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These verses speak of other asking for mercy on behalf of someone else. Not anyone asking for mercy for themselves.
Moses asked for mercy for his people, not himself. The people who sinned a great sin with a golden calf. We also see God did have mercy on them. he fed them every morning but one. and led them and took care of them. they just did not (not all anyway) enter the promised land.
why do people want to twist things?
Moses asked for mercy for his people, not himself. The people who sinned a great sin with a golden calf. We also see God did have mercy on them. he fed them every morning but one. and led them and took care of them. they just did not (not all anyway) enter the promised land.
why do people want to twist things?
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again your wrong. No one can be born again until they come to him. God did not make robots, he gave man free will to chose. He wants us to chose him. not force us to chose him, like your saying.
your making people born again (given spiritual life) who have not even had their sin forgiven yet. you have it backward
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Were you born a sinner by nature?
Was that your choice?
Or was it because of one man's sin?
Were you made subject to vanity willingly?
And Here is the big question,....
Could you today Choose to stop folowing God and go back
to being a sinner or should I say, the first nature you had?
You really think you chose God, And called on Him
Without any influence from The Holy Spirit's conviction?
NO WAY, people are really deceiveing themselves if they think
they could choose God apart from God, and if that is so then
Christ Died in Vain for you, because it is Him who has been made a
Quickening Spirit. And why... to save us, we were helpless, and
hopeless without the work of the Cross, don't you realize that
because of His Nature to follow His Father's will, is what causes
us to do the same. If He was to take His Holy Spirit from you today
you would be the same as you were before He came, lost.
Now, Second chance.......I have never taught a second chance
you have assumed that's what I mean when I say that all men
will be saved. I beleive that if they did not recieve salvation here
then it's because God did not chose to Grant them repentance.
So they never had a first chance.
He is the Light, if He witholds that Light then they remain in darkness..
God saves, .......... we do not choose, it may feel like that, but it is not
that way.
If we could choose Him, why did we wait so long, why did'nt we call on
Him much sooner?
Free will, absurd, and man made, so they can feel superior to God.
Rubish.
Were you born a sinner by nature?
Was that your choice?
Or was it because of one man's sin?
Were you made subject to vanity willingly?
And Here is the big question,....
Could you today Choose to stop folowing God and go back
to being a sinner or should I say, the first nature you had?
You really think you chose God, And called on Him
Without any influence from The Holy Spirit's conviction?
NO WAY, people are really deceiveing themselves if they think
they could choose God apart from God, and if that is so then
Christ Died in Vain for you, because it is Him who has been made a
Quickening Spirit. And why... to save us, we were helpless, and
hopeless without the work of the Cross, don't you realize that
because of His Nature to follow His Father's will, is what causes
us to do the same. If He was to take His Holy Spirit from you today
you would be the same as you were before He came, lost.
Now, Second chance.......I have never taught a second chance
you have assumed that's what I mean when I say that all men
will be saved. I beleive that if they did not recieve salvation here
then it's because God did not chose to Grant them repentance.
So they never had a first chance.
He is the Light, if He witholds that Light then they remain in darkness..
God saves, .......... we do not choose, it may feel like that, but it is not
that way.
If we could choose Him, why did we wait so long, why did'nt we call on
Him much sooner?
Free will, absurd, and man made, so they can feel superior to God.
Rubish.
If you knew the word, and knew Him, you would not have to ask.
But since you did.
Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Here's a few more, to ponder on.
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Jer 10:24 O LORD, correct me, but with judgment; not in thine anger, lest thou bring me to nothing.
Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Psa 39:5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Jer 10:24 O LORD, correct me, but with judgment; not in thine anger, lest thou bring me to nothing.
Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Psa 39:5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.