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(The Beast with 7 heads - a religion)
Rev 17: "There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition"
The 7 kings are 7 popes.
So the 7th pope (current Pope, Benedikt XVI) will reign for a short time (he will either die or step down)
The 8th pope will replace the others and will be just like them. He will be the last Pope!
Rev 13:3: "I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast"
A Lateran treaty was signed in 1929 between the Italian Government and the Vatican re-establishing the political power and diplomatic standing of the Catholic Church, which had been lost when Italy seized Rome, the last of the Papal States, on September 20th, 1870.
These 7 popes came into power after the wound was healed in 1929, the birth of the Vatican State.
(The Beast from the earth = the US government)
Rev 17: "There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition"
The 7 kings are 7 popes.
So the 7th pope (current Pope, Benedikt XVI) will reign for a short time (he will either die or step down)
The 8th pope will replace the others and will be just like them. He will be the last Pope!
Rev 13:3: "I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast"
A Lateran treaty was signed in 1929 between the Italian Government and the Vatican re-establishing the political power and diplomatic standing of the Catholic Church, which had been lost when Italy seized Rome, the last of the Papal States, on September 20th, 1870.
These 7 popes came into power after the wound was healed in 1929, the birth of the Vatican State.
(The Beast from the earth = the US government)
five are fallen”. one is and one is not yet come
the 7 heads there not religions, they are kings/kingdoms
The “five are fallen”. Is
1)Eygipt
2) Assyria
3) Babylon
4) Medo-Persia
5) Greece
The “one is” is 6)Rome in the time when john wrote Revelation.
“one is not yet come” 7) the last days with the ten kings.
I could say the same about you 
'Am I honest and man enough to acknowledge the plain simple truth from Scripture'?
Well, e-g, are you?
Yahweh Shalom...
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Daniel was in the kingdom of the head of Gold. But we know from bible history that there was two kingdoms before that 1) Egypt 2) Assyria YES?
When I read Daniel 2, I see 5 kingdoms
The first kingdom in Daniel 2
32 This image's head [was] of fine gold, ……………………………… Empire Babylon, Daniels day.
His breast and his arms of silver, ………………………………………….Empire Medo-Persia.
His belly and his thighs of brass,……………………………………………Empire Greece.
33 His legs of iron, ………………………………………….......................Empire Rome .
40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron
His feet part of iron and part of clay. …………………………………….Empire last days.
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided;
So you can see I can see 5 kingdoms in Daniel 2.
Now look at the whole pitcher in bible history including the first two kingdoms 1) Egypt 2) Assyria.
That makes seven kingdom altogether in bible history.
And when Daniel says in
Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed.
He must be prophesying, because the king of the head of gold, and the king of the arms of silver, and the king of the belly and his thighs of brass, and the king of the legs of iron are all dead and buried. So thus go to Rv19 and see the 7th head with the ten kings because Daniel was prophesying,
When I read Daniel 2, I see 5 kingdoms
The first kingdom in Daniel 2
32 This image's head [was] of fine gold, ……………………………… Empire Babylon, Daniels day.
His breast and his arms of silver, ………………………………………….Empire Medo-Persia.
His belly and his thighs of brass,……………………………………………Empire Greece.
33 His legs of iron, ………………………………………….......................Empire Rome .
40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron
His feet part of iron and part of clay. …………………………………….Empire last days.
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided;
So you can see I can see 5 kingdoms in Daniel 2.
Now look at the whole pitcher in bible history including the first two kingdoms 1) Egypt 2) Assyria.
That makes seven kingdom altogether in bible history.
And when Daniel says in
Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed.
He must be prophesying, because the king of the head of gold, and the king of the arms of silver, and the king of the belly and his thighs of brass, and the king of the legs of iron are all dead and buried. So thus go to Rv19 and see the 7th head with the ten kings because Daniel was prophesying,
yes now we can move on to "the babylon of rev.",,,,,,,,,,chapter 17,,,,,,,,,,verses 10,11,12,,,,,,,,,,,,it is in ad96 and the angel states in verse 12,,,,"which have recieved no kingdom as yet",,,,,,,,,,,so the ten horns did not exist untill after ad 96,,,,the beast that was and was not yet is "is of the 7,,,even he is the eaight and is of the verse 11,,,,then bach up to verse 8 and "and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit(so it was a kingdom in the earth but did not exist at this time and was going to come afterthis",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so there were five are fallen,,,one is(rome),,,,even he is the eaight,(the kingdom that did not exist at that time) but was before rome in history,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and the one that was still to come(7th head),,,,,,,,,,,,,,so from this point forward,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,comes 10 kings,,,,,the seventh head,,,,,,,,and the beast that was and was not shall ascend,,,and go into peradition
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1. All you have done is give me YOUR OPINION. You have not stated any facts.
2. Simple truth? When you give me simple truth with facts I will more than welcome acknowledging I made a mistake. Until then. All I can do is believe what I have studied and found to be truth.
3. Why have you not answered any of the questions, or responded to the things I showed which show why I believe I do., and just assume you are right?
4. Are you man enough to admit you do not want to discuss this. but just assume your right?
2. Simple truth? When you give me simple truth with facts I will more than welcome acknowledging I made a mistake. Until then. All I can do is believe what I have studied and found to be truth.
3. Why have you not answered any of the questions, or responded to the things I showed which show why I believe I do., and just assume you are right?
4. Are you man enough to admit you do not want to discuss this. but just assume your right?
Certainly not my opinion, it is the clear simple words of Scripture:
Rev 11v8 states:
'...where also our Lord was crucified.' (KJV)
'...where their Lord was crucified.' (RSV)
Rejecting the identity that the Book of Revelation gives for 'the great city' is quite simply rebellion and throws all your other interpretation of this book into error.
May I remind you of the dire warnings from the mouth of the Lord Jesus in Rev 22v18,19 in regards to the Book of Revelation.
Because of your wilful rejetion of the plain words of Scripture I do not consider you as a serious student of (end-time) prophecy and hence I see no point in further discussions with you on this most wonderful of books. 2Pet 3v16.
Yahweh Shalom...
Rev 11v8 states:
'...where also our Lord was crucified.' (KJV)
'...where their Lord was crucified.' (RSV)
Rejecting the identity that the Book of Revelation gives for 'the great city' is quite simply rebellion and throws all your other interpretation of this book into error.
May I remind you of the dire warnings from the mouth of the Lord Jesus in Rev 22v18,19 in regards to the Book of Revelation.
Because of your wilful rejetion of the plain words of Scripture I do not consider you as a serious student of (end-time) prophecy and hence I see no point in further discussions with you on this most wonderful of books. 2Pet 3v16.
Yahweh Shalom...
so no kingdom ruled from Adam to the flood,,,,,,,,,"cant be from here",,,,,,,,,,after the flood nebo tried to "get us an name",,,,but they were scattered,,,,god said get you out of ur,,,,and then he promised him "from the river Euphrates,,to the great river of Egypt",,,,and said "for the iniquity of the ammonites is not yet full",,,so then the kingdom promised is the kingdom that is to be ruled by the kingdoms we are looking for,,,,,,"for sin,,,that is of Israel",,,,these seven heads,,,, Babylon,,,ect. come and rule from the Euphrates to the great river of Egypt,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"the promised land",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
so who has ruled from the Euphrates river to the Nile river in all of history ,,,,,,"Egypt,,,,,Israel,,,,,Assyria,,,,,Babylon,,,,mead-Persia,,,Greece,,,,Rome,,,,England,,,,,,France ,,,,,Spain,,,,,,,,and the united states,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now all we have to do is to put them in order
so who has ruled from the Euphrates river to the Nile river in all of history ,,,,,,"Egypt,,,,,Israel,,,,,Assyria,,,,,Babylon,,,,mead-Persia,,,Greece,,,,Rome,,,,England,,,,,,France ,,,,,Spain,,,,,,,,and the united states,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now all we have to do is to put them in order
after the Romans destroyed the Israel and scattered the people of Israel "palatine was given ruler ship of most of territory as goveners of Rome but as time went on the goths,,,vandals ect. drove at the roman empire from the other sides and gave way to the "Islamic rule" as they,,, mohammed ect. pushed at them from there side who were the "governments???????,of these people???????when and where were their rule,and the crusades/inquisitions England France Spain.vatacin ect..."whose government ruled here????????,,,,,,,,,how much of it did germany rule before england pushed them out in ww2??????????
OK enough of it,,,,,,,,,,,no one ask whose the seven headed beast anyhow,,,,,but the rev. Babylon,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its where the world has set up to trade all of her incense fine linens ect.ect.,,,,,,,,,,,"world trade centers",,,,,,,,,don't know why every one jumps into trying to figure out who the "seven heads are",,,i guess she rides the seven headed beast is why,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the united states of America is the babylon of revelations.
"America the Babylon" by Stewart best,,,is a good place to start recearch,,some of it i do agree with,,,but it was taken from his book and then after the www got a hold of it others rewrote the article and 'laid claim to it"(sherry Shriner),,,now when i first found this article (years ago),,,i sat down to look up all of the scriptures listed in it and then re read the chapters that apply,,,,,their are some very strong points to this article,,,,and if you use it as a base he either missed a lot of points or was only pointing out a selected few of these,,,,,,,,,,that is the "inventions and discoveries" that came out of u.s. it is better to do the research into the history of the u.s. "in addition to this article",and yes cotten and cannabis(hemp) were the two major crops given loans by the the first bank of the united states "hemp" was the #1 crop ,,,and cotton was the #2 crop,,,,,given these loans,,,,,,,,the reason for this was as the "new world was discovered",,,,,,,the old world (Europe,Africa,ect. ) had by then became over populated and so the crops they could grow there were limited to the square acre they needed to just plant food (to eat),,,because of population and depleted soil conditions there are a long list of inventions after this that have their origin in the u.s. and were bought sold and traded from the world trade centers,,,,,,,,"take note that the w.t.centers" are not only in the u.s. they are set up and funded by the countries world wide,that is why each government and also companies have offices in it,,,it is set up to control the sales of goods world wide both imported and exported into every nation in the modern world
as for "tobacco" weather it's an incense we breath or not,,,,i at one time believed it was world wide but after researching it "that was not so" the American Indians first presented it to the settlers,,,(13 colonies) and then seed was smuggled to different countries "Turkish tobacco" is a blend of tobaccos that were taken from the Americas to the old world to be grown there,all tobacco products cigars,cigarettes,,and smokeless tobacco have there origin from the united states and is now sold world wide.
now i should say something about this ,,,,,i was born in Texas,,,,my family immigrated to the united states in 1641,,, my fore fathers are in their graves here i do not have an hatred for the u.s.,,,,,,,,,,"i did not want to find this thing out",,,,,,,,,,,,,i tried my best to disprove it,,,,,,,,,,,,,is what made me see it,,, and is why the "duel citizenship",,,,,,,,,,
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Fair enough. But don't you think countries like Egypt or India meet this standard as well?? Especially since those countries have actually killed saints. The United States has no such history. I also don't see American pulling the world into spiritual adultery. I mean India has a billion people and is 95% pagan. Doesn't that seem a lot worse than anything happening in America?
I just don't think this is the way we are supposed to interpret Bible prophecy. We should be able to find all our answers for interpretation by using scripture upon scripture. This is how God instructs us to read and learn the Bible.
I am still at a loss as to why for this particular prophecy we look to current day events but for everything else, we look to the future. I think that by studying scripture we can really, really see who Mystery Babylon is without any doubt. But I will try to make a longer post about it tonight. God bless.
I just don't think this is the way we are supposed to interpret Bible prophecy. We should be able to find all our answers for interpretation by using scripture upon scripture. This is how God instructs us to read and learn the Bible.
I am still at a loss as to why for this particular prophecy we look to current day events but for everything else, we look to the future. I think that by studying scripture we can really, really see who Mystery Babylon is without any doubt. But I will try to make a longer post about it tonight. God bless.
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1. rev 11 speaks of A GREAT CITY where the two witnesses are killed, and left lying on the street and three days later are raised miraculously.,
2. No where in rev 11 is babylon mentioned.
3. There are many "great cities" on earth" Jerusalem was one in Johns day, Also rome was one in John's day, You can't assume just because the word "great city" is used of both they are the same city.
so yet again, ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS GIVE ME YOUR OPINION!
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The false bride. She calls herself the bride God. but she is the harlot. of which the Jews played with in their time, (they were supposed to be the bride, but they committed adultery with the harlot, which is Babylon) and the church plays with today. (she is supposed to be the bride. But she too has played the harlot with Babylon) She is the system which started at Babylon (thus the reason she gets her name) and it is basically paganism, with all its pagan ritual and tradition and sacraments.