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dont start on fallible people, because your popes of the Dark Ages were as wicked as they could get, and yet your religion says they were still infallible
at least the Protestants went back to scripture alone, without relying on people such as the heretic Augustine, or other Catholic bishops after him...
Dear Zilla64007, That is exactly what most of the early Protestants did do. They didn't rely on "scripture alone", no matter how much they professed to do so. Luther's and Calvin's theology is straight out of Augustine of Hippo. If you don't ignore Church history, you would know this is so. Don't take my word for it. Dig in! Study hard! Read objective sources. The best most objective sources are Eastern Orthodox. Luther and Calvin, together with most Protestants of the traditional Protestant denominations say "FILIOQUE" "and the Son", and this comes right out of AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO. One objective, Roman Catholic source, shows that Augustine of Hippo, not the New Testament, is the source of the Filioque dogma. See: Kung, Hans. (2001). The Catholic Church: A Brief History. New York: Modern Library. God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
oh by the way, how did all those killings via the Papal Inquisition fill out fo rya, or the Spanish Jesuits for that matter, or the mass murders of French Calvinists during the Reformation, or the beheadings of those in the dark Ages who didn't follow the Roman Catholic Church?... or how bout the involvement of the Roman Catholic Church of the support of Adolf Hitler, who heartlessly murdered the Jews?... your religion just got worse as time went on. and not to mention the interesting little sex scandals of the bishops within Roman Catholicism... dont even start, santo. Your religion's history is no better.
and when it comes to John Wesley, I'll take his word over your pope any day of the week.
that's interesting, scotth, because the entire Roman Catholic church in is error, with it's works based salvation, penance, indulgences, praying to Mary, praying to saints, relics, papal infallibility, and removing the 2nd commandment from the Bible...
the Bible says to contend for the faith that was once delivered unto all the saints... from studying church history, neither the Eastern Orthodox Church or the Roman Catholic church ever got it right.
at least the Protestants went back to scripture alone, without relying on people such as the heretic Augustine, or other Catholic bishops after him...
Dear Zilla64007, That is exactly what most of the early Protestants did do. They didn't rely on "scripture alone", no matter how much they professed to do so. Luther's and Calvin's theology is straight out of Augustine of Hippo. If you don't ignore Church history, you would know this is so. Don't take my word for it. Dig in! Study hard! Read objective sources. The best most objective sources are Eastern Orthodox. Luther and Calvin, together with most Protestants of the traditional Protestant denominations say "FILIOQUE" "and the Son", and this comes right out of AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO. One objective, Roman Catholic source, shows that Augustine of Hippo, not the New Testament, is the source of the Filioque dogma. See: Kung, Hans. (2001). The Catholic Church: A Brief History. New York: Modern Library. God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
oh by the way, how did all those killings via the Papal Inquisition fill out fo rya, or the Spanish Jesuits for that matter, or the mass murders of French Calvinists during the Reformation, or the beheadings of those in the dark Ages who didn't follow the Roman Catholic Church?... or how bout the involvement of the Roman Catholic Church of the support of Adolf Hitler, who heartlessly murdered the Jews?... your religion just got worse as time went on. and not to mention the interesting little sex scandals of the bishops within Roman Catholicism... dont even start, santo. Your religion's history is no better.
and when it comes to John Wesley, I'll take his word over your pope any day of the week.
that's interesting, scotth, because the entire Roman Catholic church in is error, with it's works based salvation, penance, indulgences, praying to Mary, praying to saints, relics, papal infallibility, and removing the 2nd commandment from the Bible...
the Bible says to contend for the faith that was once delivered unto all the saints... from studying church history, neither the Eastern Orthodox Church or the Roman Catholic church ever got it right.
From studying Church history, the Eastern Orthodox Church got it exactly right (see John 15:26). The Protestant "churches", along with the Roman papist "church", all say "And the Son", against John 15:26. Against James 2:24, Luther adds the word "alone" to the text of Romans 3:28, a word "alone" which is NOT in the Greek New Testament! When asked by Dr. Link, the eminent German scholar of the German language, why he, Martin Luther, was adding words to the German Bible, as in Rom. 3:28, Luther said: "I will have it so. And it is so. It is my will that it is so (that it be so). It is so because I, Herr Doctor Martin Luther, say it is so." Thus, according to Luther, salvation is by faith "alone", because "I, Herr Doctor Martin Luther, say it is so!" Sounds more like "Sola Luther" than "Sola Scriptura" to me!
Luther never got this right. He contradicted James 2:24 by his mistranslation (forgery!) of Romans 3:28. Thus, he believed the epistle of James was written by no apostle of Jesus Christ.
Go figure!
God save us all. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington