Mary as the mother of God?

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SantoSubito

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Grandpa said:
I didn't say Mary was not the Mother of Jesus. Nor did I say Jesus was not God.
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On the same page so far.

God was not birthed.
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No we're not on the same page. Since God the Son plainly was (note I didn't say God the Son had a beginning).



God is, was and will be.
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Agreed

Mary is not the mother of god because that insinuates things that should never be insinuated.
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It insinuates nothing that shouldn't be insinuated.

You know, the whole mixing of paganism with Christianity...
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Really no matter which way you slice it you can't deny Mother of God as a logical title unless you hold that Jesus wasn't fully God from the moment of his conception.



Did God exist before Mary? Of course. How can Mary give birth to what exists before her? She can't.
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Birth does not equal beginning. To deny that the child that came forth from Mary was both fully God and man is quite frankly heading off the rails of orthodoxy. Seriously though the argument your using is ridiculous.

What she could do is give birth to the flesh in which God inhabited for a time.
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So what a soulless lifeless body popped out of the womb and was instantly inhabited by Jesus? That sounds kinda gnostic since it degrades the flesh as a mere vessel.

So if you want to be technical, Mary is the mother of the flesh that God dwelled in from around 0BC to about 33AD.
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Congratulations I dub thee Nestorius.
 
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jimmydiggs

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If "Mother of God", simply amounts to "Mary birthed Jesus", I don't see the scriptural problem here.

I do think the title is misleading, and sounds rather polytheistic.
 
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Grandpa

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SantoSubito said:
On the same page so far.


No we're not on the same page. Since God the Son plainly was (note I didn't say God the Son had a beginning).




Agreed


It insinuates nothing that shouldn't be insinuated.


Really no matter which way you slice it you can't deny Mother of God as a logical title unless you hold that Jesus wasn't fully God from the moment of his conception.




Birth does not equal beginning. To deny that the child that came forth from Mary was both fully God and man is quite frankly heading off the rails of orthodoxy. Seriously though the argument your using is ridiculous.


So what a soulless lifeless body popped out of the womb and was instantly inhabited by Jesus? That sounds kinda gnostic since it degrades the flesh as a mere vessel.


Congratulations I dub thee Nestorius.
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I don't know how God puts people together when they are born so I can't argue whether Jesus was fully God while He was in the womb of Mary or whether it happened at some other time. I am at a loss...

But what I can tell you for sure is that Mary did not have anything to do with the divine nature of God.

How did I get sucked into this silly argument again???

Mary is not the mother of God. That is a silly moniker. Mary is the mother of Jesus.

Being the mother of God insinuates she had something to do with His Divinity which she could not have.
 
dscherck

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Grandpa said:
I don't know how God puts people together when they are born so I can't argue whether Jesus was fully God while He was in the womb of Mary or whether it happened at some other time. I am at a loss...

But what I can tell you for sure is that Mary did not have anything to do with the divine nature of God.

How did I get sucked into this silly argument again???

Mary is not the mother of God. That is a silly moniker. Mary is the mother of Jesus.

Being the mother of God insinuates she had something to do with His Divinity which she could not have.
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We never said anything about Mary have a divine nature. Nor does her being called mother of God insinuate she's divine. All it does is reinforce the fact that her Son, Jesus, IS God to those who would deny it. That's it.
 
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luciddream1982

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dscherck said:
We never said anything about Mary have a divine nature. Nor does her being called mother of God insinuate she's divine. All it does is reinforce the fact that her Son, Jesus, IS God to those who would deny it. That's it.
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But wouldnt you agree that sometimes calling her "Mother of God" could give the wrong impression to someone? Why not just call her "Mother of Jesus"?
 
dscherck

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luciddream1982 said:
But wouldnt you agree that sometimes calling her "Mother of God" could give the wrong impression to someone? Why not just call her "Mother of Jesus"?
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Because that can also give the impression that Jesus isn't God. While there can be wrong impressions either way, we would prefer to emphasize that Jesus IS God.
 
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SantoSubito

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jimmydiggs said:
If "Mother of God", simply amounts to "Mary birthed Jesus", I don't see the scriptural problem here.

I do think the title is misleading, and sounds rather polytheistic.
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It can be misleading if a person has never had any exposure to Catholicism at all. But when the title "Theotokos" was translated into Latin it was translated as "Mater Dei", so thats why in the West we have Mother of God and not God-bearer.
 
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Tobby17

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Mary is not the mother of God...

There you see, i solved the problem.
 
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dscherk: Was Mary totally sinless, like Jesus?
 
dscherck

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RoboOp said:
dscherk: Was Mary totally sinless, like Jesus?
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What does that have to do with anything?

The question is whether Mary's Son is God.
 
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dishchat

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dscherck said:
What does that have to do with anything?

The question is whether Mary's Son is God.
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Mary was not the mother of God nor the mother of Jesus. Jesus never called Mary "mother"
 
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SantoSubito

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Tobby17 said:
Really, you are a JOKE..

so the Holy Spirit automatically is the father of God i guess :rolleyes:
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Each person of the Trinity is fully God, so yes God is his own Father.
 
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