Bible Translations

LynnJ · May 30, 2009

If the following paragraph piques your interest, perhaps you would like to read the entire research paper, prayerfully and with an open mind and heart:

The KJV is not, as KJV-only advocates are fond of saying, the final
authority. Instead, the final authority for the Christian must be the inspired
autographs. Translations such as the KJV, NKJV, NASB, and NIV
are all the Word of God even though they disagree at points. Any faithful
translation of the Scriptures is sufficient to communicate the truth of
God and more than adequate for the ordering of the Christian’s life. As
James White has wisely observed: “Our relationship with Jesus Christ is
not based upon a particular Bible translation. Men and women had fine
Christian lives for fifteen hundred years before the KJV came on the
scene. Obviously one can live such a life without ever opening a KJV Bible.

(excerpt from ERRORS IN THE KING JAMES VERSION? by William W. Combs,
DBSJ 4 (Fall 1999): 151–64)

Here's the link: http://www.dbts.edu/journals/1999/Combs.pdf

God bless us as we all seek to know God and the truth His Word contains.

Thaddaeus · May 30, 2009

LynnJ said:

Lady you are messed up and mixed up, your quote" Translations such as the KJV, NKJV, NASB, and NIV are all the Word of God even though they disagree at points." this is a lie straight out of hell itself, there is no way that translations that don't agree with one another, be inspired by God,

1co 14:33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
this is the lie that satan himself would have us to shallow, thats what is so wrong with all the modern day perversions. in order to get people to lay dawn the authorized translation for almost 400 hundred years now, is to either attack it for its authority or convince people their's is a better version , which in that process you have to attack the very Word of God itself. 2ti 3:16All scripture is given by INSPIRATION of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

God would never inspire anything He did to disagree with something else he did, you really need to repent from that thought all together

you also said' God bless us as we all seek to know God and the truth His Word contains.[/quote]" if all are from God and they disagree with the others how can we ever find the TRUTH

Thaddaeus · May 30, 2009

and as far as you web site I can put a paper together staring almost anything I want, I read the other day on a web site If I have a christmas tree at christmas time I am worshipping a false idol and on my way to hell, just the other day one came in here with a video claiming that Jesus was satan himself. I will say again about any web site or any paper u can manifest Ro 3:4God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

This the KJB is the Authorized version for almost 400 years now and Someone comes along tearing it down and instead of attacking the people that are attacking The Word of God . we lie down in their camp with them and say oh please God Bless me, it is almost like going to Church on sunday morning and singing Oh how I love Jesus, then cursing and taking His name in vain the rest of the week. I am going to support people that attack your Word God But I still want your blessing. NOT!!!
it was the Bible for almost 400 years no one can dispute this fact if we accept that then we have to say to say anything against the KJB is to fight God Himself, Satan atatcked His Word in the Garden He trid to attack His Word when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness. and satan is still attacking His Word today Open your eyes people.

LynnJ · May 31, 2009

Thaddeus, thanks for your kind and thoughtful reply. But I don't suppose you actually read the research paper and the biblical contents therein.

Have a blessed day.

Thaddaeus · May 31, 2009

LynnJ said:

and I guess you don't know what we do when we assume/ suppose about people. I read three or four pages, let me tell you why I stop. your guy said that we do not have the orginal manuscript which is fact, then he/she made a statement that the king james was not mirrored after the orginal, and even went to say that instead of what the king james said in several verses that it should have said this., Lady, let me ask you a question how do you Suppose that if we don't have the orginal manuscript . then How does your guy know, that the King James is in error as He said and that what he says is true.

there are two manuscripts. the majority text which means that in those days that 95% of english bible were translated from this manuscript, then there was the minority text which is the manuscript( also known as the corrupt text) that all the modern day bibles are translated from and then some have mixed in the scrolls they found much latter I think they call them the dead sea scrolls, which were so battered by time that alot a pieces were even missing and they had to guess at what was there ??????? the majority text came from antioch you know the place where the disciples hung out at, the minority text came out of eygpt, you know the place that represents evil in the Bible. but I say this to get here if you compare the King james Bible with a manuscript that it is not translated from one that was rejected by the translators of the King James, then you are going to find so called errors

Again I say let God be the truth and all men lairs

Thaddaeus · May 31, 2009

lynn I am sorry for saying that you are messed up and mixed up. what i meant was that your thought on the Word of God is messed up and mixed up.

LynnJ · May 31, 2009

There are many threads here regarding the KJV version, and they are quite free-speaking about KVJ and their opinions about other translations. I was simply offering another viewpoint to be considered. I apologize if I have offended anyone by my post, although the Word of God does offend some, no matter which version you are reading. I am respectfully bowing out of this thread and the CC Forums.

PS - Thank you for your apology, Thaddeus.

next_step · May 31, 2009

The KJB is simply a translation. Like every translation the KJB has its weaknesses. I use the Darby Translation and the KJB when I read in english and I compare them. Sometimes I also look in the NIV.

But to say one translation has an authority is wrong. There is no inspired translation and likewise there there is no inspired chapter arrangement.

carpetmanswife · May 31, 2009

and another ones gone

Baruch · May 31, 2009

LynnJ said:

Although it is interesting to see how the King James of 1611 compares to Modern KJV, I still find the article as distracting from the main point, knowing the actual meaning of the Word of God.

This is where it gets disagreeable. The points where they disagree as deviating from communicationg the truth of God and thus inadequate for the ordering of the christian life by a leaven of the Pharisees.

I have stated that if other translations puts the emphasis on man or on the "Spirit" whereas in the King James Bible, the scriptures testifies of the emphasis on Jesus, then I would go with the King James Bible as in knowing the true meaning of the Word of God.

Example... of the emphasis on man... understanding that only God can cause the increase in helping others see the difference.

1 Peter 4:18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. King James Bible

As I read this by His grace, I rejoice inwardly that as we suffer in according to the will of God, I can entrust the keeping of my soul unto my faithful Creator in well doing for He is also My Good Shepherd as well as my Redeemer. The well doing is on Him in the keeping of my soul as I am entrusting Him to do it.

Now read the other versions as it becomes unclear to some and seems obvious to others that the emphasis of the verse is on the believer to do good while they suffer. Combine that with verse 18, you get a deviation as the hope to be saved is placed on the believers to do good while they suffer.

1 Peter 4:18And, "If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"[a] 19So then, those who suffer according to God's will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good. New International Version

See how that emphasis is clearly on the believer? The reading of the word, "hard" in verse 18 puts on the religious reading glasses for verse 19 where making a commitment to Christ to do good and to follow Him has turned a believer's trust in the Lord into a religious striving.

1 Peter 4:18 Now “ If the righteous one is scarcely saved,
Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”[a] 19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator. New King James Version

This one leaves me guessing because I can see how a reader can see it as an emphasis on himself by committing his soul to Him in doing good like the commitment to follow Christ, and I also can see how they might read it as the King James Bible has it by entrusting the keeping of their souls to their faithful Creator , but the doing good part is on them as in doing good works, and not the originally intent of the Word of God in how the faithful Creator is keeping their souls.. in well doing.

1 Peter 4: 18(A)AND IF IT IS WITH DIFFICULTY THAT THE RIGHTEOUS IS SAVED, WHAT WILL BECOME OF THE (B)GODLESS MAN AND THE SINNER? 19Therefore, those also who suffer according to (C)the will of God shall entrust their souls to a faithful Creator in doing what is right. New American Standard Bible

Here, it is clearly an emphasis on the believer in doing what is right and not on the faithful Creator in the keeping of their soul in well doing. The "DIFFICULTY" makes it an obvious reading from a religious viewpoint.

So then, one could say.. well in taking all the Bible translations together, we can find the true meaning of God's words, and if the King James Bible is outgunned, then 1 Peter 4:18-19 in all the other versions must be the correct meaning of God's words and why eternal security is not based on trusting the Lord but on man's religious effort and willpower.

But... what does the scriptures say about the scriptures?

John 5:39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

So if the meaning of the scriptures switch from emphasis on Jesus to yourself, then the King James Bible is the correct meaning of God's words for the religious of this world has always resorted to their own power in doing good and fail, and this is why Jesus made this invitation.

Matthew 11:28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

John 6:28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Philippians 1:6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Galatians 5: 1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

So the good fight is keeping the faith and trusting Jesus Christ to not have our eyes taken off of Himself to ourselves or to another spirit to receive to have life as subtle as the other versions will have it.

So again, the other translations will fail in reproving the works of darkness for a little leaven leavens into a whole lump, but the King James Bible can be used to keep the faith against that which voids it.

Romans 13: 11And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

Ephesians 5:7Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth

10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Psalm 118: 8It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

Sharp · May 31, 2009

The English Standard Version is the only true bible and anyone who even touches another version is a blood sucking vampire who should be burned at the stake!

nikkiLV · May 31, 2009

wow Thaddeus.... all the post u post are attacking...just like this one.... how can you say she is messed up? Are u the judge? so saying that all translations can be used to insppire people, to comfort them and lead to the one and only God... thats messed up... but say to others stuff like that isnt messed up?

and Lynn... i loved the quote by James White.....i think it is sooo true!

Dragoon9 · May 31, 2009

Sharp... shhhhh don't get the werewolves upset.... they get jealous of too much vampire focus I understand.

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Thaddaeus,

I use several Bible translations (mainly the NIV, KJV, Barclay's translation, though occassionally the NRSV and yes the ESV). The world is full of people who misread and misinterpret scriptures. The issue is not with the scriptural translation, but rather with the spirit within the person reading. It is the Holy Spirit which guides us in understanding what God has freely given us, not a bible version.

I'd write more, but I'm exhausted. Goodnight all and may God give you his strength, peace and wisdom

Thaddaeus · May 31, 2009

next_step said:

then you will have to argue with the ones who authorized it, I had nothing to do with It, it was done a long time before I was born, my point is not one is better than the other but rather the KJB was the authorized version for almost 400 years now, to attack the KJB as some do, is attacking God Himself.
it was the Bible for 400 years now since 1950 something, it ain't good enough for for now.

Thaddaeus · May 31, 2009

nikkiLV said:

no I said that saying that God could inspired translations that disegree with one another was messed up don't you read the post , now you attack me, butr for you to judge me without reading all my post is also messed up

1co 14:33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

if God inspired even just two translations that didn't agree, the He would be the author of confusion and that thought is
messed up

nikkiLV · May 31, 2009

thanks pastor! If I was in your church... Ide probably never wanna come back to christianity...... anyways... Im out of this discussion too... and Dragon... I agree with you! The Holy Spirit is the key not the translation!

Thaddaeus · May 31, 2009

Dragoon9 said:

ok but paul caME ACROSS SOME BELIEVERS IN ACTS 19 THAT DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A hOLY gHOST , SOME DENOMINATIONS DON'T BANK ON THE sPIRIT GUIDANCE AS SOME DO , SO HELP A 13 OLD CHILD UNDERSTAND WHY A TRANSLATOR WOULD TAKE LUCIFER OUT OF SCRIPTURES AND PUT IN MORNING STAR, i MEAN EVEN IF LUCIFER MEANT MORNING OR STAR OR WHAT EVER WHY REFERR TO hIM AS THE SAME NAME THAT YOU DO JESUS:
Isa 14:12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (KJB)

Isaiah 14:12 (New International Version)

12 How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!

but anyhow everybody is voiding my point in order to get people to lay down the king james years ago and pick up the new versions You had to say that there was something wrong with the version that was for about 400 years, the authorized english version of The Word of God. and this in itself is wrong. Christians call for a boycott against ford and disney land for their sponsership of Homosexuals , but let someone change the Word of God , and attack the Word of God convince some that there is something Wrong with the authorized version so that they can make money and sell us their perversion of God's word, call Lucifer and Jesus by the same Name. and not only do we not boycott, that company but we lay down with them and support them by their perversions. right will be wrong and wrong will br right

Thaddaeus · May 31, 2009

nikkiLV said:

well u would n't be the first Niv carrier that didn't come back to our church, I wouldn't feel bad about it

Groundhog · May 31, 2009

The KJB was authorized by King James, not by God. And let us remember that when it comes to translations of ancient works, or understanding of ancient texts, older does not mean better. The KJB being over 400 years old now does not mean it's more reliable; the truth is to the contrary. Criticizing one translation is not criticizing the "word of God". To believe that, you would have to believe that criticizing the NIV or The Message is also. Our guideline is the original Greek and Hebrew texts, not the KJB, and all translations I'm aware of have been based on the original languages (including The Message). These translations disagree because translation is tricky business: biblical translations also depend on transliteration and paraphrase, because each is trying to convey the original meaning of the text, and since there are disagreements about the original meaning, we get different translations.

Thaddeus - You criticized this article for merely being "a website". Did you not notice that it is a published document in a scholarly journal, and that it was written by a man with a Ph.D. who teaches at a seminary? It is certainly more credible than a rant on Christmas trees. By the way, even though having a Christmas tree doesn't mean you're a pagan, you do know that its roots are in pagan practices, don't you?

LynnJ- I hope you don't leave. I like people who are open and thoughtful.

Cup-of-Ruin · May 31, 2009

Thaddaeus said:

ok but paul caME ACROSS SOME BELIEVERS IN ACTS 19 THAT DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A hOLY gHOST , SOME DENOMINATIONS DON'T BANK ON THE sPIRIT GUIDANCE AS SOME DO , SO HELP A 13 OLD CHILD UNDERSTAND WHY A TRANSLATOR WOULD TAKE LUCIFER OUT OF SCRIPTURES AND PUT IN MORNING STAR, i MEAN EVEN IF LUCIFER MEANT MORNING OR STAR OR WHAT EVER WHY REFERR TO hIM AS THE SAME NAME THAT YOU DO JESUS:
Isa 14:12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (KJB)

Isaiah 14:12 (New International Version)

12 How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!

but anyhow everybody is voiding my point in order to get people to lay down the king james years ago and pick up the new versions You had to say that there was something wrong with the version that was for about 400 years, the authorized english version of The Word of God. and this in itself is wrong. Christians call for a boycott against ford and disney land for their sponsership of Homosexuals , but let someone change the Word of God , and attack the Word of God convince some that there is something Wrong with the authorized version so that they can make money and sell us their perversion of God's word, call Lucifer and Jesus by the same Name. and not only do we not boycott, that company but we lay down with them and support them by their perversions. right will be wrong and wrong will br right

Isaiah 14:12

Lucifer = Morning Star. Worshipped by the Assyrians/Babylonians/Chaldees as male at sunrise, female at sunset. A name of Satan.

Considering the context of the verse either 'Lucifer' or "Morning Star' are accurate English translations.

I would tend to agree with 'Thaddaeus' in this case "O Lucifer, son of morning" from the KJV is as accurate a translation as one could get.

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