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With permission from, and from the Library of Rodger Tutt.

These are snippets from such.


#94 - MUST AION MEAN ETERNAL? – PHILIP SCRANTON

“There are many texts in which aion and aionios cannot bear the meaning of eternity. And there are no texts in which the meaning of a limited period of time does not make reasonable sense. Our great loss is that when we ascribe the meaning of eternity to these words, we obliterate from view God’s purpose of the eons. Further, the character of God is slandered, making Him the inflictor of incomprehensible woe.

It does not say that “all in Christ shall be made alive.” It says, “in Christ shall all be made alive.” The word for made alive means to be made immortal. After the great white throne, the unbelieving will participate in the second death – the lake of fire. Finally, at the consummation, when death is abolished, all will be made alive in Christ.”

God is working all things after the counsel of His will and according to His perfect schedule. But the improper translation of “for the ages of the ages” ignores the purpose and climax of history.

The holies of the holies (plural/plural) were the two inner confines of the tabernacle. (1Kings 8:6 literal translation instead of the most holy place.) They were more holy than the outer court and the camp and all the places outside the camp. In like manner, the ages of the ages are the two greatest ages of history because of what will transpire during their time.
It does not cast the smallest shadow on the brilliance of God’s glory to say that glory be attributed to Him during the climatic eons when His purpose will be realized by all and His glory seen more clearly than ever before.”


#95 - TARDY OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL – F. NEIL POHORLAK

Do you find your heart tardy to believe that God will have all mankind to be saved?” 1Tim. 2:4

“Those who would not yield an inch from the position that all have sinned means all, do not hesitate to rob God of His all in all shall be justified, all shall be reconciled, all shall be vivified, that God may be All in all.

This is God’s grand goal: all saved, all justified, all reconciled, all vivified, that God may be All in all. This goal will see fruition when the eons have run their course. Do not confuse God’s goal with His process.”
 
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There are no resurection after the second death.The unbeleivers have no eternal life,they will die because of their sin.[Ezechiel 18 vs 4].
It's only God and those who are in Christ who will live eternally.
 
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There are no resurection after the second death.The unbeleivers have no eternal life,they will die because of their sin.[Ezechiel 18 vs 4].
It's only God and those who are in Christ who will live eternally.
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To understand the secund death, one must understand the first resurrection as well.

If Christ is in you, then you WILL NOT SEE DEATH! You have in you, eternal life. Why? Because you have ALREADY crucified the body.
 
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dishchat said:
There are no resurection after the second death.The unbeleivers have no eternal life,they will die because of their sin.[Ezechiel 18 vs 4].
It's only God and those who are in Christ who will live eternally.
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Eze 18:4 Lo, all the souls are Mine, As the soul of the father, So also the soul of the son--they are Mine, The soul that is sinning--it doth die.

Yes indeed, the soul that is sinning it does die. But the spirit returns unto God.


Ecc 12:7 And the dust returneth to the earth as it was, And the spirit returneth to God who gave it.
 
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Eze 18:4 Lo, all the souls are Mine, As the soul of the father, So also the soul of the son--they are Mine, The soul that is sinning--it doth die.

Yes indeed, the soul that is sinning it does die. But the spirit returns unto God.


Ecc 12:7 And the dust returneth to the earth as it was, And the spirit returneth to God who gave it.
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you added that stuff in red and ECC 12 does NOT support universalist false doctrine.

Yes the soul that sinning it DOES DIE. the BODY is dust and returns to the earth and the spirit goes to GOD and that is when JUDGES it in Revelation. that is when they endure the SECOND DEATH.
 
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you added that stuff in red and ECC 12 does NOT support universalist false doctrine.

Yes the soul that sinning it DOES DIE. the BODY is dust and returns to the earth and the spirit goes to GOD and that is when JUDGES it in Revelation. that is when they endure the SECOND DEATH.
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Anandahya,

I didn't say that it did you are assuming that. All I did was point out that there is a difference in the soul, and the spirit, and yes, those are my comments, and if you notice they are no different than what you just said, except you added something out of Revelation, which you believe should go along with your understanding.



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no there is a difference. I never said the SOUL dies.
 
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,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,do you not know that you will judge the angels"????????????
 
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AnandaHya said:
no there is a difference. I never said the SOUL dies.
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Ok, shaking head, going What????? You know what, I don't even think you know what your talking about, much less me.

These are your words typed by your hand:

Yes the soul that sinning it DOES DIE. the BODY is dust and returns to the earth and the spirit goes to GOD and that is when JUDGES it in Revelation. that is when they endure the SECOND DEATH.
 
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#98 - NONE LOST, NONE DESTROYED – ANTHONY J. BORRELLO

“It is not a matter of if, only a matter of when each individual will respond to the irresistible call of God’s love – a love filled with such peace and calmness that no one will be able to withstand its comfort indefinitely.

The power of God’s love will attract like a magnet EVERYONE to their safe consolation within the confines of reconciliation. This, my dear friends is what ‘God being All in all’ is all about. The happy tidings are that none will be eternally lost or destroyed.

When the Holy Spirit’s vision arrives within us, then and only then will we be able to grasp the fact that God’s love does not contain the words ‘eternally lost or destroyed’ in its vocabulary.”
 
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no there is a difference. I never said the SOUL dies.
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my apologies. I got distracted and didin't finish my thought or statement.

It is suppose to read that the SOUL does not Die TWICE. that the body dies and the soul goes to be judged.

The first death is the death of the body. the second death is the death of the soul. The soul does not die upon the death of the body. It goes before God to be judged.


Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Eccl 12
13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
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2knowhim said:
...#94 - MUST AION MEAN ETERNAL? – PHILIP SCRANTON ...

After the great white throne, the unbelieving will participate in the second death – the lake of fire. Finally, at the consummation, when death is abolished, all will be made alive in Christ...
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This is unscriptural. Nowhere does scripture says that "when death is abolished, all will be made alive in Christ". Those who are made alive in Christ have experienced that transformation in time (Eph.2.1-5).

Here, on earth, is where reconciliation is met.

Matt.9

[6] But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
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For those who die without Christ, judgment awaits.
Heb.9


[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
[28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
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This is unscriptural. Nowhere does scripture says that "when death is abolished, all will be made alive in Christ". Those who are made alive in Christ have experienced that transformation in time (Eph.2.1-5).

Here, on earth, is where reconciliation is met.

For those who die without Christ, judgment awaits.
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2 Corinthians 5:10

10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.


All praises to God that judgement is not left to the imaginations of men. Our Father corrects with judgement.
 
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Not everyone wants to obey Yahweh God Almighty, and do not accept Yeshua as Saviour....

There is different kind of people, some are sheep following wolves, some are goats following goats...

Then there are sheep following their Shepherd all the way home.
 
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Israel said:
2 Corinthians 5:10

10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.


All praises to God that judgement is not left to the imaginations of men. Our Father corrects with judgement.
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This same thought came across my mind yesterday too

Blessings
 
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Israel said:
2 Corinthians 5:10

10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.


All praises to God that judgement is not left to the imaginations of men. Our Father corrects with judgement.
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Yes, and this includes vain imaginations of men who want to be more pious and holy even than God Himself. Correction is indeed done - here on earth. The final judgment however is - final.

Heb.12

[6] For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
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Matt.25

[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[43] I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[45] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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2knowhim said:
Eze 18:4 Lo, all the souls are Mine, As the soul of the father, So also the soul of the son--they are Mine, The soul that is sinning--it doth die.

Yes indeed, the soul that is sinning it does die. But the spirit returns unto God.


Ecc 12:7 And the dust returneth to the earth as it was, And the spirit returneth to God who gave it.
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Eternal life is only for beleivers. Death is for unbeleivers.They will not live eternally.God didn't gave them the spirit to live.
 
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Yes, and this includes vain imaginations of men who want to be more pious and holy even than God Himself. Correction is indeed done - here on earth. The final judgment however is - final.
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Don't you understand that this is what most are doing on this site? What man on the planet has God not chastened? In years past, men thought the same as you. And they lay dead in the same beliefs. God made men to live, and for His pleasure. How can you correct what you cannot see? It is only after death THAT THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. You CANNOT read or understand truth from error starring at a closed book!
 
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This same thought came across my mind yesterday too

Blessings
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I know. I'd thought about writing about how I beat you to it, lol.
 
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2 Corinthians 5:10

10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.


All praises to God that judgement is not left to the imaginations of men. Our Father corrects with judgement.
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Just wanted to point out that universal reconciliation is indeed a concept birthed in man's imagination. It profits man to believe such an idea. It is not within the character of God, whether it be our image of Him through the early OT scriptures or our view of Him through and as Jesus Christ. It is true that God does not change...but our image and understanding of Him most certainly does...from first acceptance till the day we die.

Christ will judge all. We have seen Him as God's mercy; none of us have seen Him as God's judge, but we should understand that His clearing of the temple is purposed to show us that He does indeed have righteous anger to unleash on the darkness. Hebrews 10:31 people.

This will be universal judgement, not reconciliation. The "Father forgive them..." Jesus is the sacrificial lamb offered to those who believe on Him as the way, the truth, and the life. He did not return to visit with and show Himself to nonbelievers, as they would obviously have believed. The line was drawn in the sand...God drew the line...ears for hearing...

The offer of reconciliation is made at the cross. That is the love of God. People who suggest universal reconciliation pander an idea that there is a love greater than Christ's sacrifice.

What is at the heart of a universalist claim? They assert a subversive idea that if God does not reconcile all, then He is not a truly loving God. To be sure, if you have claimed God will reconcile all, and He does not, that is something you charged God with. There has to be a "Woe" in there somewhere.
 
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