Universal Reconciliation

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krisbrian

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Out of all the false doctrine I see going around on these forums, this may very well be the most dangerous.
 
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cfultz3

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2KnowHim,

If you make the questions into statements in my following quote, every word would agree to Universal Salvation.

God's wrath cleans and redeems? God's wrath cleans and redeems! 2knowhim, so God has really made a mess of things, has He not? All that trouble He went through to save His own, when He, in the first place, knew that He was going to save the wicked all along. What was He thinking when He sent His Son to Redeem His beloved ones, when He knew all would be pardoned? Why did He even kick us out of Eden, is He not a merciful God, surely He knew we will be forgiven. But yet, He still cursed us with spiritual death. I bet some would even question God as to why He kicked Lucifer out of Heaven? Again, why did He, if all would eventually be forgiven? I bet it has something to do with His glory. You know, that glory which wickedness run from because it cannot be present before it.

I wonder why God just did not show His glory in Eden to rid evil from the very beginning? Maybe that has to do with giving men a choice about whom he will serve. Wait, does that mean that there will be two kingdoms in the Messiah's Kingdom? One for Christ and they who chose Him and one for Lucifer and his? This is only logical to conclude, seeing that under Universal Salvation, all is forgiven and since there are no consequences to our deeds, they who wanted to have Lucifer for their god will still be able to worship him? If God disapproves of this, He will just simply punish us a little and then we can do it over and ove and over again, until eternity starts over.
 
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cfultz3

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I believe Satan is nothing more than a tool in God's overall Plan of the ages.

For example if you were to be in a spiritual body instead of a flesh body, would sickness and disease have and effect on you?

Go back to the beginning and see what it is that is his food, the very dust of the earth, that same does
that these bodies are made of. Where there is no dust there is no food.

The same as with the mind of man, when you have the mind of Christ, the accuser cannot condemn you anymore.

How does something die? you stop feeding it. We all need to come to the Place that Christ did,
when He said, The enemy cometh and He has nothing in me.

Now the second part of your question. You seem to be confused about something, Christ's death burial and Resurrection is what works WITHIN US, It is His Life that Lives inside, that keeps us, that shows us,
that sustains us, that delivers us, that preserves us. It is not up to us to decide to except Him.

We did not ask for Him to come and Save us, But He did. And He did this before you were born.
We were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.
No, 2knowhim, I am not confused. We certianly fight a spiritual battle, and Satan is on the losing side. He has nothing to offer anyone but despire when he and his arrive at his dungeon. He has nothing but the experience of the fiery wrath of God to offer one. I for one chose life my Lord.
 
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No, 2knowhim, I am not confused. We certianly fight a spiritual battle, and Satan is on the losing side. He has nothing to offer anyone but despire when he and his arrive at his dungeon. He has nothing but the experience of the fiery wrath of God to offer one. I for one chose life my Lord.

Satan has lost, not loosing, but has lost through Christ, some just don't know it.

When he and his arrive at his dungeon????

I have no idea what your talking about.

He has been experiencing the fiery wrath of God for along time, in fact day and night, age after age,
Every time a child of God comes into the "Truth" he falls from heaven, every time.


Luk 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

And don't be deceived you did NOT choose Life, if you have Life then it was given to you from Heaven.

Joh 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.


Col 1:16 for in Him is all created, that in the heavens and that on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created through Him and for Him,
Col 1:17 and He is before all, and all has its cohesion in Him."
Col 1:18 And He is the Head of the body, the ecclesia, Who is Sovereign, Firstborn from among the dead, that in all He may be becoming first,
Col 1:19 for in Him the entire complement delights to dwell,
Col 1:20 and through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens."
 
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cfultz3

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Satan has lost, not loosing, but has lost through Christ, some just don't know it.
Rev 20:10-15 is in the future tense. By all means, in the Salvational plan of God, it is as though he has already lost. But, he is given a little while for his final battle.

When he and his arrive at his dungeon????
I have no idea what your talking about.
Whatever reason, it would not allow me to make it one quote. Sorry about double quote.


You know, the lower dungeon where Jesus' soul did not go down to. Where they who kill with the sword goes to. The place where Satan, Death, Hades, those who were not found in the Book of Life go to. A study of OT "Hades" will give so much Truth. That study tells us that they who are in Hades can see, speak, think, feel. So much for soul sleep.

He has been experiencing the fiery wrath of God for along time, in fact day and night, age after age,
Every time a child of God comes into the "Truth" he falls from heaven, every time.

Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
How many times can Lucifer fall from Heaven? Is he still present before God pointing a finger at God's saints?

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!




And don't be deceived you did NOT choose Life, if you have Life then it was given to you from Heaven.
Deu 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve...but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

You see, I choose to serve my Lord. Therefore, I have chosen life and good.
 
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We are speaking two different languages, I see no reason to continue this conversation.

You still believe after all the research done on that word Lucifer, that it's still referring to Satan,
and believe that The Lake of Fire is something other than it is.
Heaven, and The book of Revelation is future.

There is nothing that I see we agree on at all.

And according to the scriptures you quoted your still under the old covenant and the Law so..........
 

tribesman

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Out of all the false doctrine I see going around on these forums, this may very well be the most dangerous.
People's indifference towards false doctrine is as dangerous as well.
 
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cfultz3

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And according to the scriptures you quoted your still under the old covenant and the Law so..........
Are you saying that if one chooses to follow God, he is under the Law?
Besides God's soverign will of choosing His elect, all the "whosoever"s in the NT has no meaning?
 
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Israel

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Are you saying that if one chooses to follow God, he is under the Law?
Besides God's soverign will of choosing His elect, all the "whosoever"s in the NT has no meaning?
Matthew 5:18

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

With the MIND we walk by faith and for God. But we are yet present in the body, and by that law, must die.
 
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AnandaHya

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Then I ask, who is this Lucifer?

2 Corinthians 11:13-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

Isaiah 14:12
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

Luke 10:18
And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

Revelation 12:9
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”


sigh...

Revelation 6:10
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?
 
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AnandaHya

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If I tell you who he is, you might be very upset with me.
this should be interesting....

especially since you and 2knowhim think Satan and Lucifer will be in Heaven with everyone else....
 
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cfultz3

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My Sister AnanadaHya,


I know who he is. I just wanted to be enlightened to this new "Lucifer" they proclaim.
 

loveme1

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I believe Hell is a state or condition of the soul, and yes, I believe many are in that place now.

"Going to Hell" No.

Just Like I don't believe anyone is "Going to Heaven".

Neither Phrase is use in scripture.


42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.