A Modern Polygamous Wife

[TheKringledOne]

Since you clearly are offended, I'll let you continue to think it over some more Krinkled. You can be offended all you want to, and I don't really care if I offend people in open relationships either, at least not on a Christianity Forum, where it is a sin. If you think sin is okay, and you are offended by me calling it wrong, be my guest, but you can't justify it. I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

I'm not offended at the idea that you think its wrong. You can think its wrong all day and I would be fine with that. The thing that I found in poor taste was when you say that people who have a different lifestyle than yours can't actually love each other.

You can call it whatever you want, and you can claim whatever you want about how much your friends "love" each other in their open relationship, but let's just call it what it is, shall we? You're friends have sex with other people, cheating on each other nonstop, while still claiming to be in a relationship full of love.

I don't consider it cheating when it is agreed upon. Some people don't see sex as one of the properties of love and don't think of it as a big deal. Others don't find it troublesome to be in a relationship with more than one partner. I know a girl who is in a relationship that involves two guys. Both of the guys and her are very close and go on dates all together. I don't have anymore doubt that she loves both of them and both of them love her back than I do that people in monogamous relationship love each other. Another person I know is asexual and is in a poly-relationship with two people. He does not participate in sexual relations with either of them but that doesn't make me think that he doesn't love them both.

What a joke. Also, are you seriously trying to justify a sin on a Christianity forum, and then saying that I'm rude for calling it a sin? You're friends are disrespecting themselves and their partners.

I don't find it rude for you to call it a sin. I am not trying to justify it either. I am just saying that I don't personally see an issue with it. I just think its wrong to say that they can't love each and that they are disrespecting each other even though they have an agreement that they are all comfortable with.

What happens if the girl gets pregnant from one of the many guys she sleeps around with, and the guy gets an STD from one of the many women he sleeps with?
Does he still stay with her, and her with him? I bet you they don't. Oh, but open relationships are good.... because relationships are about sex and not about future marriage... right??????..............................

I thought we were focusing on people who were in polygamous relationships. This often means they all know each other. Some people do have a kind of free sex relationship and I think that is a bad idea for safety reasons unless they are very careful about it.

Anyway, God created Adam and then Eve. He didn't create Adam, Eve, and Steve. He didn't create Adam, Eve, and Lilith, nor did He create Adam, Eve, Lilith, Jessica, Jennifer, Jenn, Joanna, Jacinda, and a future wife to be named later.

Yes, you can justify it as a sin in this manner. I don't believe in that so the argument does not change my position.

If you don't like the Bible or what it says, that's fine, but don't argue it being a "right" thing to do on a CHRISTIANITY forum, when the bible clearly states it is wrong. Since I highly doubt that most polygamists simply marry their brother's widow, and since times are different now to where women can support themselves independantly, I don't think you have much to stand on here.

I didn't argue it was right. I just said I personally had nothing wrong with it. I didn't say it wasn't a sin. I just stated that people who lived this way could still love each other.

I find it odd that you mention how women can support themselves now. How does that change anything? Was it more justifiable for a woman to enter a polygamous relationship for money and support whether than love and community? You also seem to be focusing in on polygyny but don't touch much on polyandry or group marriage.

Oh yeah, and if you're argument is simply that monogomous relationships have problems just like polygamist relationships, then please go troll somewhere else. You aren't mentally capable of debating a topic. I have a feeling you are just a young kid who hasn't grown up yet.

Insults. How civil.

That's about the bottom line to it. Gain some life experience and come back, and then see if you really think polygamy or open relationships are good for anyone. Go find yourself a girlfriend, and then ask her if she will be in an open relationship with you or better yet, a polygamist relationship, where you have 10 girlfriends, if you could get that many.

I'm asexual and when I get into relationships I tend to become very attached to that one person. I couldn't imagine myself being in a relationship where I was attached to more than one person. However, I understand that other people are not like me.

 

[FrankensteinGirls]

DABEAR-
No I don't find anything wrong with it. I myself am not polyamorous (or a polygimist) so yes I would be upset if my husband was having sex with another person because it isn't something we agreed upon. You really shouldn't guess things about people. How do you know who I know and don't know? Yes I know people in polyamorous relationships who are in love and happy. Polygamists and Polyamorous people don't just go around having sex with everyone, with the people I've talked to (most whom are polyamorous and not polygamists) are all consenting and know all parties involved. I don't think it's your place to decided that they don't care for each other, you are making a lot of assumptions about people you don't even know.


I've been reading your other posts in this thread and you are quite rude, maybe you aren't mentally capable of debating a topic yourself, or at least mature enough to do it in a friendly manner.

It seems the only people that are saying they don't have a problem with Polygamy are the very young adults, which means 18 to mid 20's.

What I find a problem with this is that my generation has no respect for themselves or others in relationships. They have one-night stands nonstop, sleep around, date just for sex, cheat on their partners nonstop, and nobody finds any problem with it. The real issue is our culture here in the USA. Promiscious activity is applauded, while remaining celebate til marriage is looked down upon as if something is wrong with you. Every popular artist and song out there is about sex, or some form of it anyway. Lady Gaga is the perfect example. Do you really think 'Poker Face" was about Poker? Brittney Spears girl-pop types, any rap artist, any R&B artist, etc, they all sing about sex, cheating, and adultery. That's our culture now, and nobody seems to think there is anything wrong with it.

Ever wonder why divorce rate is so high? You have less than a coin's flip chance of making it in a marriage now. There are far more single moms out there than there are single girls without kids. Now, we see TV shows about Polygamy, and it's becoming mainstream here. Nothing is taboo anymore.


FrankensteinGirl and TheKrinkledOne... So really, you don't find anything wrong with polygamy? I guess that means that you wouldn't find it wrong if you got married, and your husband/wife went to go sleep with other men/women every single day too? Unless you like to join in on the sin with a 3-some? What exactly don't you find wrong with it? It's straight up adultery. You don't think that won't cause emotional problems? You DON'T know anyone that is COMPLETELY okay with "open" relationships, unless of course, they don't care about each other whatsoever. They definitely don't love each other in those relationships, beyond the love of sex, or they wouldn't do it, plain and simple.

I've seen that TV show where the guy has all those other wives. The fattest wife gets the least amount of attention, and she basically gets the least amount of money from the husband too. The husband DOESN'T take care of ANY of his kids. They barely talk to him. The kids actually hate their own father, because he's scum. The guy is a straight up dbag. Some of the wives simply married him for money and security, while others were just stupid apparently. Their kids will all grow up with severe behavioral problems, which are already apparent in the TV show, and the "old" wives, the ones that aren't getting any attention anymore after a new one joins the "family" all have emotional issues as well. You can't see the damage this causes? You clearly aren't very perceptive then. Even if someone understands the consequences of the decision when they enter into the relationship, they have no idea what it actually does to them mentally and emotionally afterword. You can tell that all those women are screwed up in some way, the husband is a complete moron, and all of the kids are screwed up themselves. I am almost positive that some of their kids will grow up to be severely disturbed individuals.

And people say they have no problem with it... yeah... because your parents aren't polygamists, and you aren't the "old" wife that is stuck married to a guy that is basically cheating on you everyday, out in the open, while your neighbors are basically laughing at you for being so stupid and needy that you agreed to such an idiotic philosophy. Welcome to 2012, or is it 2012 BC?

 

[Naphtali]

This is in response tothe comment that was made that if all parties involved in polygamy agree and have knowledge of, it makes it ok. All agreeing to sin does not make it ok. It would be the same to as agreeing to an open marriage where a wife is in agreement to multiple partners to so call spice things up. We have to be careful that we are not deceived by such thinking. The only way we can KNOW the truth about this topic is to find it in the scripture. I dont see where God has allowed man to have many wives. Moses addressed this in OT as well as it was addressed in the NT. Just because many have multiple wives in the bible does not mean God agreed to it. God tolerated many sins but never was in agreement to. He gives us free will to either serve or disobey Him.

 

[LANCY]

The only time you really see polygamy advocated by God in the Bible is in the case of levirate marriage where a woman's husband dies and leaves her with no children. The brother of the woman's husband is commanded to take the woman as a wife and give her a child that is closest to the woman's previous husband's bloodline. It's my personal belief this was a practical measure, because the widow will receive help from her new husband and quite possibly from her new child later in life. The regulation takes care of them.

There is a similar regulation where if a man and woman have sexual intercourse the man must take the woman as his wife. There is a story in the Bible where Amnon raped his sister Tamar, and Tamar afterwards begged Amnon not to send her away but to take her as his wife. It seems weird to us today, but that was another time and another culture. Today the case of having sex with a woman and sending her away is rampant, and even some women don't care about it.

I've seen the play Joseph and the technocolor dream coat and his father Jacob had about 12 wives and that play was based loosly on a story in the bible. I'm just kidding about that comment. Actually you did forget to mention that Jacob had many wives. I am not advocating poligamy as I am against it. I just thought I would point out that it was elsewhare in the bible.

 

[violakat]

People quite often use the excuse that God has no problem with polygamy, because of all the kings in the Bible who were polygamist. However, most of these same kings had problems within there families. David’s children were jealous of each other. Solomon’s wives bickered with each other, to the point where he felt he had no peace. What we fail to understand, it’s not that God like polygamy, but that He allowed it, because of the hardness of man.

Here's an example where Jesus talks about men's hearts. While it's not about polygamy, it does show, that God is not necessarily for something, but tolerating it. In the Jewish life, during the NT days, divorce was rampant. At one point, Jesus was talking about adultery, and how if you divorce a woman, and go and marry another woman, you were committing adultery. The Jewish asked why Moses commanded the men to give a document for divorce. It wasn’t because Moses was for divorce, but because of the hardness of men. You see, many men, back in the day, abused women, even more so then they do today. If they weren’t pleased with a woman, they would send her away, or kill her, and then take another wife. And if they didn’t kill the wife, she was often out on the streets homeless.

As for polygamy being accepted by all the wives, here’s something you may not realize. In the Old Order Mormon Church (Such as the ones found in Utah or Texas), if the man wants a polygamist relationship, the women have no say. If they argue with the husbands about it, the husbands can kill them. Most women tolerate it, because that’s all they know.

 

[NitzWalsh]

People quite often use the excuse that God has no problem with polygamy, because of all the kings in the Bible who were polygamist. However, most of these same kings had problems within there families. David’s children were jealous of each other. Solomon’s wives bickered with each other, to the point where he felt he had no peace. What we fail to understand, it’s not that God like polygamy, but that He allowed it, because of the hardness of man.

Here's an example where Jesus talks about men's hearts. While it's not about polygamy, it does show, that God is not necessarily for something, but tolerating it. In the Jewish life, during the NT days, divorce was rampant. At one point, Jesus was talking about adultery, and how if you divorce a woman, and go and marry another woman, you were committing adultery. The Jewish asked why Moses commanded the men to give a document for divorce. It wasn’t because Moses was for divorce, but because of the hardness of men. You see, many men, back in the day, abused women, even more so then they do today. If they weren’t pleased with a woman, they would send her away, or kill her, and then take another wife. And if they didn’t kill the wife, she was often out on the streets homeless.

As for polygamy being accepted by all the wives, here’s something you may not realize. In the Old Order Mormon Church (Such as the ones found in Utah or Texas), if the man wants a polygamist relationship, the women have no say. If they argue with the husbands about it, the husbands can kill them. Most women tolerate it, because that’s all they know.

As someone who used to be Mormon I know what you're talking about.

The "New Order" Mormon's also practice a type of polygamy called "Spiritual Polygamy" where the man is allowed to remarry in their temple ceremonies and maintain his previous temple marriages, though the woman has to have her previous temple marriages annulled.

Here's what that means...
Bob Smith gets married when he returns from his mission spreading Mormon Doctrine to the unsuspecting population of Indiana. He is sealed (that's the word for Mormon Temple Marriage) to his wife in the temple, but his wife realizes that the church is a lie and they get divorced. Bob Smith meets some other girl and they get married, also in the temple.
According to the Mormon Church, Bob Smith is now sealed to two different living women in the eyes of God. This also works if the girl(s) involved have died.

I just wanted to say that after reading this thread...

 

[TheKringledOne]

This is in response tothe comment that was made that if all parties involved in polygamy agree and have knowledge of, it makes it ok. All agreeing to sin does not make it ok.

I am saying this in what I am okay with seeing and not what I find the biblical God to find sinful or not.

It would be the same to as agreeing to an open marriage where a wife is in agreement to multiple partners to so call spice things up.

I don't view it that way. Let us remove the idea of sex or any kind of physical affection from the equation. Do you really think that it is impossible for someone to love two people at the same time?

We have to be careful that we are not deceived by such thinking. The only way we can KNOW the truth about this topic is to find it in the scripture. I dont see where God has allowed man to have many wives. Moses addressed this in OT as well as it was addressed in the NT. Just because many have multiple wives in the bible does not mean God agreed to it. God tolerated many sins but never was in agreement to. He gives us free will to either serve or disobey Him.

Yes, Yahweh tolerates sin at times in the bible. Based on seeing how people act today, if he exists, it seems like he continues to tolerate these things. I am not going to put polygamists on a higher level than I see other sinners like those who enjoy shellfish. I am fine with it being pointed out as sinful to those practice it. Even if it is considered a sin are we, as other sinful people, the ones who are supposed to judge them or their actions? Or should it be up to the biblical god to be the one to judge them after they die?

People quite often use the excuse that God has no problem with polygamy, because of all the kings in the Bible who were polygamist. However, most of these same kings had problems within there families. David’s children were jealous of each other. Solomon’s wives bickered with each other, to the point where he felt he had no peace. What we fail to understand, it’s not that God like polygamy, but that He allowed it, because of the hardness of man.

The old testament actually speaks against kings being anything but monogamous. Deut. 17:17

Aside from everything else, I do believe monogamous marriages are considered optimum in the bible. However I do not recall anything that speaks strictly against polygamous relationships for average people. Does anyone know of the scripture speaks against this?

 

[ukkez]

my veiw on this is that it must be wrong the amount of times on other vids on you tube about it and the women feel jelous and upset that they have to share there husband even if they have agred to it in the first place, your still going to feel jelous in that situation. i notis on alot of the youtube vids there all push by mens veiws, why cant women have more than one husband because man wouldent be able to cope, there pride would be hurt to much...
its also an easy way for men to be abusive and pedos to marry young girls.

 

[Kram]

Hi guys I'm new to this chat, but does it not say in 1tim 3 2 that we should be the husband of one wife considering we are all living in the new testament era

 

[ukkez]

thanks kram, i couldent find my bible, knew there must be a verse on it some were

 

[Kram]

No probs glad to help ukkez

 

[leelee]

Since you clearly are offended, I'll let you continue to think it over some more Krinkled. You can be offended all you want to, and I don't really care if I offend people in open relationships either, at least not on a Christianity Forum, where it is a sin. If you think sin is okay, and you are offended by me calling it wrong, be my guest, but you can't justify it. I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
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I think you need to tone down the hostility and have a conversation. I don't think the 4 years you have on Krinkled really constitutes much "life experience" and I think you do care if you offend people, in fact you go out of your way to do it. You are new to the site and I think you should know that while the debated can get heated pure nastiness is likely to result in a ban.

As far as the actual topic goes, I do think polygamy is a sin, it is definitely not for me and I agree that it causes many problems a lot of the time. I do think though that consenting adults can make their decisions and really if they choose to live like that who am I to judge?

 

[JS]

What would GLORIFY THE LORD?

I have my own beliefs about monogamy vs. polygamy and they are based on scripture, I could make many comments or voice opinions regarding this topic but my beliefs and comments are unimportant in comparison to God's word.

I would instead leave you all with a singular question...

WHAT WOULD GLORIFY THE LORD?


This is a partial list of scriptures I found having to do with this topic.

GEN 4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one [was] Adah,
and the name of the other Zillah.

GEN 32:20 And say ye moreover, Behold, thy servant Jacob [is] behind us. For he
said, I will appease him with the present that goeth before me, and afterward I
will see his face; peradventure he will accept of me.
GEN 32:21 So went the present over before him: and himself lodged that night in
the company.
GEN 32:22 And he rose up that night, and took his two wives, and his two
womenservants, and his eleven sons, and passed over the ford Jabbok.

GEN 36:2 Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan; Adah the daughter of
Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah the daughter of Anah the daughter of Zibeon the
Hivite;
GEN 36:3 And Bashemath Ishmael's daughter, sister of Nebajoth.

DEU 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set [him] king over thee, whom the LORD thy God
shall choose: [one] from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou
mayest not set a stranger over thee, which [is] not thy brother.
DEU 17:16 But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to
return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the
LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
DEU 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not
away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.

LEV 21:7 They shall not take a wife [that is] a whore, or profane; neither shall
they take a woman put away from her husband: for he [is] holy unto his God.
LEV 21:8 Thou shalt sanctify him therefore; for he offereth the bread of thy
God: he shall be holy unto thee: for I the LORD, which sanctify you, [am] holy.

1SA 18:26 And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to
be the king's son in law: and the days were not expired.
1SA 18:27 Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the
Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave
them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul
gave him Michal his daughter to wife.

1SA 25:39 And when David heard that Nabal was dead, he said, Blessed [be] the
LORD, that hath pleaded the cause of my reproach from the hand of Nabal, and
hath kept his servant from evil: for the LORD hath returned the wickedness of
Nabal upon his own head. And David sent and communed with Abigail, to take her
to him to wife.
1SA 25:40 And when the servants of David were come to Abigail to Carmel, they
spake unto her, saying, David sent us unto thee, to take thee to him to wife.

1SA 25:42 And Abigail hasted, and arose, and rode upon an ass, with five damsel
of hers that went after her; and she went after the messengers of David, and
became his wife.

2SA 2:2 So David went up thither, and his two wives also, Ahinoam the
Jezreelitess, and Abigail Nabal's wife the Carmelite.

2SA 5:13 And David took [him] more concubines and wives out of Jerusalem,
after he was come from Hebron: and there were yet sons and daughters born to
David.

2SA 12:24 And David comforted Bath-sheba his wife, and went in unto her, and
lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and the LORD
loved him.

1KI 11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter
of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, [and]
Hittites;
1KI 11:2 Of the nations [concerning] which the LORD said unto the children of
Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: [for]
surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these
in love.
1KI 11:3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred
concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
1KI 11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, [that] his wives turned away
his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God,
as [was] the heart of David his father.
1KI 11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and
after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
1KI 11:6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after
the LORD, as [did] David his father.
1KI 11:7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of
Moab, in the hill that [is] before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of
the children of Ammon.
1KI 11:8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and
sacrificed unto their gods.

2CH 11:18 And Rehoboam took him Mahalath the daughter of Jerimoth the son of
David to wife, [and] Abihail the daughter of Eliab the son of Jesse;
2CH 11:19 Which bare him children; Jeush, and Shamariah, and Zaham.
2CH 11:20 And after her he took Maachah the daughter of Absalom; which bare him
Abijah, and Attai, and Ziza, and Shelomith.
2CH 11:21 And Rehoboam loved Maachah the daughter of Absalom above all his
wives and his concubines: (for he took eighteen wives, and threescore
concubines; and begat twenty and eight sons, and threescore daughters.)

TIT 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order
the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed
thee:
TIT 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children
not accused of riot or unruly.
TIT 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled,
not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
TIT 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy,
temperate;
TIT 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be
able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

1TI 3:1 This [is] a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he
desireth a good work.
1TI 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant,
sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1TI 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient,
not a brawler, not covetous;
1TI 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection
with all gravity;
1TI 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care
of the church of God?)
1TI 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the
condemnation of the devil.

May the Lord bless and keep you all.

J

 

[TheAristocat]

I've seen the play Joseph and the technocolor dream coat and his father Jacob had about 12 wives and that play was based loosly on a story in the bible. I'm just kidding about that comment. Actually you did forget to mention that Jacob had many wives. I am not advocating poligamy as I am against it. I just thought I would point out that it was elsewhare in the bible.

But my point was not to show where in the Bible polygamy was mentioned but in what situations it was condoned by God. Solomon also had many wives, and that is mentioned in the Bible. However, I doubt God was too pleased with some of his wives, seeing how they led his heart away from God.

 

[chootchooot]

A Modern Polygamous Wife - YouTube


hi i would like your thoughts on this link

that's one of the problems with muslim immigration, the muslims wont follow the laws of the land and immigrate to europe with their 7 wives or kid wives which then becomes legalized pedophilia

 

[blue_ladybug]

Choot, you gravedigger!! This thread's 5 years old and Baddog isn't even here anymore.. lol

 

[JosephsDreams]

Yeah, and I am reading through it thinking to myself a lot of names I have not ever seen before, and not many posts considering these people have been here since 2012.
Then I realized this is a real old thread.
I really need to get some sleep.