RACISM & CHRISTIANITY?!?!

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Strong1

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Hey Everyone,

First off, let me make this extremely clear, that this particular thread is not to bring insult or hurt to any group of people......it's more a search for UNDERSTANDING.

Here goes!

Growing up, I was taught (in so many different ways) that Biracial relationships are no good.
In my own experience, I learned that this in fact is truth. (At least my truth) It seems when two cultures come together in the unity, there will almost always be a dominating culture.
One person always seems to lose theirself, and become "Sell outs" to their own....while the other coasts along feeling "Superior" or rather the "winner"
The "sell out" when confronted by their own, (whether verbally or non-verbally) behave like they do not remember who they are, and where they are coming from..and to their own are just rather embarrassing.
The other "Superior thinking" one is almost smug around their partners people, and feel as though they can say whatever they feel in their prescence, because, well, i'm with one of yours........not knowing that this exceptance is almost never mutual.
And then the "sell out" can't find honor amongst their partners people, because they too see themselves as "Superior" because thats what their relative(through the union) is, and in turn they try to impose, or put their controlling ways on that other party............after all, their culture is better, right? Wrong.
Our cultures are what keep us unique. Special. The way God made us. He wouldn't make us all so different, if he didn't see purpose in it.
Now here is the touchy part. Kids from Biracial unions! I have seen it time and time again.
The parents "think" that they are embracing both cultures, but this could never be. Just like no man can serve two masters, the kids almost always cleave to one side, while the other gets ignored or very little attention. How unfair.
When the products of Biracial families are with one side, they behave accordingly, and when with the other side they behave accordingly too, making them seem confusing and outcasted.
So people say, what are you? They say I'm both, when in our hearts we all know that, on both sides collectively, "You are not one of mine"

So lets bring this into Christian perspective,
How does God feel about us mixing cultures through marriage. Did he like it then? Does he like it now? Why would his views change if it has? why are there so many churches that seem culturally segregated if racism isnt STILL amongst us? Believers or not.why do so many of us still experience racism within our church circles? If you don't believe this, begin to look deeply into your church congregation, and mark the leadership in comparison to the congregation. :eek:
For example, Could a White person feel comfortable in an exclusively Black church, and vis versa?
Honest folks respond please.
Don't try to respond what you think others want to hear or what is socially acceptable, I want to know your TRUTH.
I'll Start. I think fellowship with all people is righteous in God's sight, while were all here together, but mixing in marriage is a no for me. You end up with resentment on someones part, the kids are confused(I know this personally) and I believe it's the best way to raise family in wholeness, without unneccessary Hurt and confusion. There such a beauty within the different cultures, why would anyone want to change that?
 
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My truth is that....topics like these make me wonder if the whole world would be a better place if it were run by children and adults didn't exist.
 
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I'm hoping this just isn't some sort of tactical excuse to look down on bi-racial couples. Indeed for every couple that has it's problems rooted in the difference of skin, there are just as many that have no problem and embrace eachothers cultures. What you described isn't like a widely accepted fact or anything.

Honestly, WHO CARES?!...Just the emphisis alone on the subject is disturbing enough. People are people. White, black, yellow, red. Doesn't matter to God, so it shouldn't matter to anyone.
 
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Strong1

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SpaceCowboy said:
I'm hoping this just isn't some sort of tactical excuse to look down on bi-racial couples. Indeed for every couple that has it's problems rooted in the difference of skin, there are just as many that have no problem and embrace eachothers cultures. What you described isn't like a widely accepted fact or anything.

Honestly, WHO CARES?!...Just the emphisis alone on the subject is disturbing enough. People are people. White, black, yellow, red. Doesn't matter to God, so it shouldn't matter to anyone.
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You have obviously never been affected by racism within the Christian community. Your response is clarity enough. Why not read the whole thread with understanding...you actually proved a point to me. Topics such as this could bring about healing and understanding for some people if empathetically communicated......see, if for example you and I were in relationship(Frienship or otherwise) I would shut up right away about my thoughts (even if it was a personal struggle for me) and never mention it again, because you can't see beyond your world,neither do you understand. Conversation done right? Who cares, you say? When it comes to you directly, then you can talk.
There's no tactical excuse here. I said that from the start.
 
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Strong1 said:
You have obviously never been affected by racism within the Christian community. Your response is clarity enough. Why not read the whole thread with understanding...you actually proved a point to me. Topics such as this could bring about healing and understanding for some people if empathetically communicated......see, if for example you and I were in relationship(Frienship or otherwise) I would shut up right away about my thoughts (even if it was a personal struggle for me) and never mention it again, because you can't see beyond your world,neither do you understand. Conversation done right? Who cares, you say? When it comes to you directly, then you can talk.
There's no tactical excuse here. I said that from the start.
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Being insensitive to others cultures isn't a matter of race, but a matter of being a selfish person. I mean if someone were interested in having a bi-racial relationship a lot of what would fuel it is an appreciation and respect for other cultures.

I just don't see your point. It's just a ridiculous statment to say if someone is of a different race, they don't care about other races. If you had a bad experience with it it was due to the person, not their race.
 
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Being insensitive to others cultures isn't a matter of race, but a matter of being a selfish person. I mean if someone were interested in having a bi-racial relationship a lot of what would fuel it is an appreciation and respect for other cultures.

I just don't see your point. It's just a ridiculous statment to say if someone is of a different race, they don't care about other races. If you had a bad experience with it it was due to the person, not their race.
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"It's just a ridiculous statement to say if someone is of a different race, they don't care about other races?" Who made that statement?! You don't see my point, neither did you read the thread with understanding.
 
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My parents are of different races, and neither of them are "superior" or "winner" or "looser" or anything of what the OP said... I almost didn't understand the post because the whole notion of interracial couples being an issue is completely alien to me. As far as I was concerned when I was a little kid, they were the same race.

maybe I was brought up sheltered or naive or any other name you might call me, but I'm not personally familiar with communities making different raced couples feel bad. At least not where I'm from.

The whole "winner looser" mentality sounds like something that could occur in any single-race couple just as easily, but for any old reason, not race. It sounds like something that has more to do with the maturity level of the individuals, rather than their backgrounds.
 
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Relena7 said:
My parents are of different races, and neither of them are "superior" or "winner" or "looser" or anything of what the OP said... I almost didn't understand the post because the whole notion of interracial couples being an issue is completely alien to me. As far as I was concerned when I was a little kid, they were the same race.

maybe I was brought up sheltered or naive or any other name you might call me, but I'm not personally familiar with communities making different raced couples feel bad. At least not where I'm from.

The whole "winner looser" mentality sounds like something that could occur in any single-race couple just as easily, but for any old reason, not race. It sounds like something that has more to do with the maturity level of the individuals, rather than their backgrounds.
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Interesting. Growing up, that is the notion that is understood within my culture. So, how did your household operate? was one cultured adhered to more than the other? Do you see integration of many cultures within your church sect? Curious
 
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Relena7

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Strong1 said:
Interesting. Growing up, that is the notion that is understood within my culture. So, how did your household operate? was one cultured adhered to more than the other? Do you see integration of many cultures within your church sect? Curious
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My dad is Mexican, my mom is Lithuanian and some other "white" races combined. Both parents were born in the US. We lived like any ordinary American family, but with more occasional Mexican food. :)

I don't remember many different cultures in my church, last I went (as a kid), but I didn't really notice things like that back then. Also, it wasn't a very large church.
 
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Relena7 said:
My dad is Mexican, my mom is Lithuanian and some other "white" races combined. Both parents were born in the US. We lived like any ordinary American family, but with more occasional Mexican food. :)

I don't remember many different cultures in my church, last I went (as a kid), but I didn't really notice things like that back then. Also, it wasn't a very large church.
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I guess because I grew up in a one cultured church(literally) and honestly have been taught according to people who have suffered huge hurt in life and continue to, within the church and outside, it's hard not to believe what you think you know about others and life........I mean, many people go to one cultured churches, but why do you think that is?
It's sad. Some people hurt others in life. A people I should say. Then when they are so negatively impacted and can't get past it all, those people walk away, and say get over it. It's like vicims of abuse anywhere. They now incorporate this hurt into there walk spiritually. I just realized how poorly I do feel about this topic. With what I have experienced and all.
 
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You should try living in a city like Los Angeles or New York. By your logic a family (adoptive bro or sis), best friend, work environment wouldn't work. Why don't you experience that for yourself and see. Try experiencing culture made up of hundreds of other cultures. Not to mention the different cultures of America, north and south, east and west, different accents, ways of doing things, views.
 
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Also, as far as Christianity goes,

John 4:20
If a man says, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar: for he that loves not his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

Mark 12
28 Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving[d] that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first commandment of all?”

29 Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’[e] This is the first commandment.[f] 31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no other commandment greater than these.”

If someone has hurt you then *hugs* we are all sinners that's why we need Jesus!
 
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Looking at this post i would say Hitler thought the same way. The language which is used, like "Superior" and the worry about keeping ones cultures pure. The separation of cultures is what makes them entirely different. Key words being, "separation of cultures"! And if a person is worried about this issue of Biracial relationships, then they have already open the door in worrying about their purity. Some may not agree with Biracial relationships, and that's their choose. But to go and base things on their own experience and opinion and call it their truth, I thought there was only one truth?

I'm not trying pass judgement on the character of anyone, yet it's this line of thinking which keep the flow of "RACISM" going. Even the most subtle of statements, keeps it flowing.
 
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Relena7 said:
The whole "winner loser" mentality sounds like something that could occur in any single-race couple just as easily, but for any old reason, not race. It sounds like something that has more to do with the maturity level of the individuals, rather than their backgrounds.
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yes. This is part of many marriages without God.

I grew up overseas among military kids, so race has never been any kind of issue for me. People are people. While I think it's important to remember where you come from, and to pass these truths on to your children, I think it is more important to teach them to love, be mature, and be disciples.
 
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My mum is red and yellow, my dad is black and brown. And i'm brown, my sister is yellow, my bro is black brown.. We were all confused growing up :rolleyes:
 
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So, what this is is someone had a specific experience in their house growing up, and now assumes that must be the same with everyone else. I've known bi-racial couples that had none of these problems you speak of. In fact i've never heard of the problems you're mentioning.
This separation of races and cultures is silly. I mean, if you took it all the way, then you could say southern americans shouldn't mix with mideastern americans because they will have a clash of cultures. Sounds silly that way, and sounds just as silly when you say it about others.
 
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A Christian in or out of marriage the "culture" actually a better way is: the Truth is The Word of God. The world is unimportant & if family cannot accept this... Have faith in The Word & not the understanding of the world.
 
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God created different races for a reason...and it wasn't to divide people.
 
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I have a question...What about me? I'm part white, hispanic and indian....Who am I supposed to marry? I did not ask to be this way, no one asked me what color or race I wanted to be. I married a beautiful woman who is white/cajun. We have 2 beautiful kids together and are happy. We serve and worship the Lord together. Some say that races should not mix, I say that God puts certain people in your life to teach others that a white man can love a black woman or a mexican can love a cajun etc....Say you were a black woman and Jesus is a jew with fairly lighter skin and Jesus and the black woman fell madly in love and wanted to get married and have children....Would that be wrong? This is just an example people...don't get all rawled up now. I am gonna read in my bible and do some research on this topic more.
 
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My Lord loves EVERYONE no matter what color, shape or size....is He wrong?
 
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