And I have explained them to you mulitple times and you refuse to see the truth.
Tom, I think exactly the same about you.
You say a comma is in the wrong place, you say that Moses and Elijah who were speaking with Jesus about His impending death for us was not real, that Moses and Elijah are dead.
Those things are true.
You use the word vision when what you really mean is hallucination.
No, I really mean vision. Please don't tell me what I mean.
If they weren't really there, then the disciples were having a hallucintion.
Was Peter having a hallucination when he saw the sheet descending with all the unclean animals in Acts 10? Or do believe it was really there? It was a vision, as the transfiguration was a vision.
And BTW, what is your explanation of the vision of Elijah and Moses, what was the purpose of showing two people who are really dead. Jesus was alive there, so there is no reason in this world to assume (as you are doing) that the other two are really dead.
Do you mean aside from the fact that the bible plainly says Moses is dead (Josh 1:2)? The purpose was to strengthen Jesus, to give him a vision of what things would be like for him if he stuck with God's plan. Jesus Christ personally DID NOT WANT to die. He prayed three times to God NOT to have to go through with what he knew was coming. But thankfully, he did his Father's will.
Jesus CLEARLY said that "God is not the God of the dead but of the living". But you refuse to admit that your position effectively says Jesus is wrong when He says that, since (according to you) He will only be the God of the living at the resurrection.
"My" position does not say Jesus was wrong, no matter how many times you say it.
When Paul says "to be away/absent from the body is to be present with the Lord", did he qualify that statement by telling the Philippians that it would only happen at the end of the world? NO!!!! Paul had been speaking through the whole letter of the possibility that he may be executed, but that it didn't matter to him since, "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord".
We've been through this.
And he went even further and said he was hard pressed between the two options of either dying and going to be with His Lord (which is far better) and remaining for the sake of the philippians advancement in the faith.
And we've been through this. His primary concern was for the furtherance of the gospel, whether through his death, or his life. But what he really wanted was for Christ to return so he would depart this life and be with Christ.
There is absolutlely no way the receipients of that letter would read Paul's words and understasnd them the way you two are trying to make them sound.
I strongly disagree. The recipients would not be reading an English translation done by people who believed that death isn't death, and translated it accordingly. They would have read the Greek, and fully understood what he meant.
It is in God's hands, but I must keep presenting the truth for the sake of others here.
It's admirable that you are standing up for what you believe. But it is not the truth. Dead people are dead, and will require a resurrection from the dead to be made alive again.
And BTW, at least Laodicea sees the truth that Jesus is in fact God. So at least even if he's wrong on this question, He is still a true beleiver in the Lord Jesus Christ and saved. Thank God for that.
I am a true believer in the Lord Jesus Christ and saved. Your insinuation that I am not is wrong, not necessary, or appreciated.
Jesus is in fact the only begotten Son of God.
And actually that is how it is going to be even for us who believe that we cease to exist when we die - In a moment in the twinkling of an eye - we sleep and the next remembrance will be the resurrection. So when we take our last breath and open our eyes - we will be in the presence of God and our Lord Jesus Christ.