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cfultz3
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No matter what your child does, no matter how much he/she disobeys you, you don't kill them, we would
call that a murderer.
You correct them, you punish them, and all this is done for their benefit not yours.
How much more our Father who is Love, who is Righteousness?
call that a murderer.
You correct them, you punish them, and all this is done for their benefit not yours.
How much more our Father who is Love, who is Righteousness?
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Crossfire
Guest
Actually hell itself is only the beginning. Those who reject God in this life are indeed sent to hell. However, after the Great White Throne Judgement, Satan, hell and everyone in hell are tossed into a bottomless pit never to be seen, heard or remembered ever again. While one can only speculate what the bottomless pit is (a black hole possibly), whatever it is must be far worse then hell.
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jimmydiggs
Guest
What is normal for humans =/= normal for God.
Ya' know, the whole, thoughts and ways and not being ours but his n' such...
that's not what the Bible says though...
the Bible says that Satan is thrown into the bottomless pit during the thousand yr reign of Christ... THEN, Satan will be released again for a little while, arming up with Gog and Magog, and then God will reign down fire. Then the dead are judged according to their works. after the great white throne judgment occurs, Hades, death, Satan, the false prophet, and all nonbelievers are cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death.
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Laodicea
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Revelation 22:3
(3) And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
This earth has been cursed 3 times because of sin. In the new earth there will be no more curse so that means there shall be no more sin in the new earth.
Revelation 20:9
(9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Notice that this happens on the earth, since there shall be no more sin in the new earth, then that means all of these people are devoured as the text says
Malachi 4:1
(1) For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Satan is the root (Gog) his followers are the branches (Magog)
(3) And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
This earth has been cursed 3 times because of sin. In the new earth there will be no more curse so that means there shall be no more sin in the new earth.
Revelation 20:9
(9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Notice that this happens on the earth, since there shall be no more sin in the new earth, then that means all of these people are devoured as the text says
Malachi 4:1
(1) For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Satan is the root (Gog) his followers are the branches (Magog)
Hello Red33, I apologize for the length of this but you have raised many points.
Can you tell me why God's justice would demand to torture people with suffering forever, with no way out?
What is punishment designed to do? Was it just to make the person suffer for the sake of suffering?...or was it to make the punishment an unpleasant experience?...something you wouldn't want to repeat? Why do we punish our own children? Isn't it to teach them something?
What punishment meted out to Israel was not designed to wake them up and repent, so that God could forgive them?
Eternal suffering makes no sense and is in complete opposition to the personality and purpose of the Creator.
Have you read that scripture in other translations Red33?
" but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This is a sin with eternal consequences.” (NLT)
"But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin” (Holman)
"but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin” (NASB)
"but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” (NIV)
There is NO DAMNATION! That whole 'hell and damnation' thing died out with high button shoes! It was the invention of human imagination when people were taught to 'fear' God in the worst way.
The unforgivable sin has everlasting consequences. That consequence is everlasting DEATH. The lake of fire is the second DEATH. It is when people can die a second time....only this time there is no hope of a resurrection. It is not more sinister than that.
This is the lake of fire. A place from which no one returns. (as noted above)
Gehenna (often translated "hell") was a place where the fire never went out and the worms feed endlessly. Was this place literal? Yes!...gehenna was the Valley of Hinnom which was used for child sacrifice in Israel's ungodly past. It was converted to the city's garbage dump where the bodies of executed criminals were consumed by the fire along with the rest of Jerusalem's discarded refuse. What the fire missed, the maggots would finish. It was kept burning by the addition of sulphur, (brimstone) ensuring that the fire never went out.
Jesus used this place in an illustrative way. His Jewish audience knew exactly what it meant to be cast into gehenna. Everything that went in there was utterly destroyed. There was no burial place for the wicked to indicate that this person had ever lived.
Nothing alive was ever thrown in there.
Gladly. Everlasting death IS everlasting punishment. God has no interest in granting everlasting life to the wicked...that is something he reserves for the righteous. In order to punish the wicked eternally, he would have to grant them everlasting life, would he not? This is not his purpose. He does not want to torture people...he never has and never will.
Why would his justice demand more than the crime deserved? Why would the punishment be meted out for the sake of punishment with no rehabilitation possible? When did God ever do something like that? In Israel, if a crime was committed, the stated penalty was compensation for the victim, or in the case of a capital offence, the death penalty applied. The highest penalty a person could pay for ANY crime, was death.
There were no prisons in Israel. God never said to incarcerate anyone. The closest thing to a prison was a city of refuge where an accidental manslayer could go to escape the death penalty. He had the freedom to roam the city, but if he stepped outside he could be legally put to death.
Those who are saved are "few". (Matt 7:13-14) Those annihilated by God at Armageddon will never be remembered. There are 'Christians' as we speak who are so sure that they are saved, but will suffer rejection when Christ comes to judge the world. (Matt 7:21-23) They rely on their own understanding of what Christianity is and what it means, but it is not acceptable to Christ Jesus. There are only "sheep" and "goats" in the world. What did Jesus say was the determining factor in his separation of them? Read Matt 25:31-46 and tell me what you think it is.
No one is written in the book of life who will not live forever. What is the criteria for getting one's name in the book of life to start with? Obedience to God's laws come first and foremost.
There are two roads, Jesus said.....the road to life and the road to death. According to Jesus, the majority are on the wrong road. It demands nothing of them....it is broad and easy, no hassles, no impediments, no real demands.
True followers of Christ were to be hated and persecuted on a cramped and narrow road. The going was to be hard with many trials. Any wonder people invented a Christianity that was easy. They broadened the gate and the road until it looked just like the other one.
If Christ returned today...who would he accept as his own?
The big picture is not very complicated at all. Christendom's version of things makes it extremely complex.
Those alive when Christ returns, will either live or die.
"and to you who are troubled, rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels,in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power" (2 Thess 1:7-9. KJ21)
The punishment is "everlasting destruction"...not everlasting torture or suffering. Who will merit this punishment? Those who don't know God because they don't want to...and those who know but don't obey.
Those who have paid sin's wages will be returned to life by means of a resurrection. Both "righteous and unrighteous" will be called out of their tombs. (John 5:28, 29) They have not been anywhere, but sleeping in death. (Eccl 9:5, 6, 10; John 11:11)
When you invent immortal souls, you have to invent places for them to go. The Bible does not do that.
If the souls of those who have died are in heaven watching the sufferings of their loved ones on earth, then how would heaven be a happy place? They would be suffering as much as we are.
For the 1,000 years of Christ's reign, God has selected a finite number of faithful humans to rule with Christ in heaven.(Rev 20:6; Rev 14:1, 3) These are the only ones who go there. They alone are granted immortality.
An educational program will be implemented to instruct all mankind in Jehovah's ways. The earth will then become 'filled with the knowledge of Jehovah'.
Isaiah 11:1-9 gives us a picture of this wonderful restoration. Rev 21:1-4 also pictures this time.
At the end of the 1,000 years, satan will be loosed from his abyss to test perfected mankind one last time. (Rev 20:7, 8)
Those who prove loyal to God in this test will be granted everlasting life, having their name written in the book of life, permanently. Those who fail, can expect to be eliminated the fire that God uses to destroy them.
Jesus hands the now tried and tested human family back to his Father and the whole purpose of the kingdom has come to a completion. We go back to what God purposed in Eden. An earth 'filled' with righteous humans who will serve God obediently for all eternity.
The paradise conditions that Adam lost, are restored...all thanks to the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus, provided by his Father, to whom all praise and glory must go.
Can you tell me why God's justice would demand to torture people with suffering forever, with no way out?
What is punishment designed to do? Was it just to make the person suffer for the sake of suffering?...or was it to make the punishment an unpleasant experience?...something you wouldn't want to repeat? Why do we punish our own children? Isn't it to teach them something?
What punishment meted out to Israel was not designed to wake them up and repent, so that God could forgive them?
Eternal suffering makes no sense and is in complete opposition to the personality and purpose of the Creator.
Have you read that scripture in other translations Red33?
" but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This is a sin with eternal consequences.” (NLT)
"But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin” (Holman)
"but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin” (NASB)
"but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” (NIV)
There is NO DAMNATION! That whole 'hell and damnation' thing died out with high button shoes! It was the invention of human imagination when people were taught to 'fear' God in the worst way.
The unforgivable sin has everlasting consequences. That consequence is everlasting DEATH. The lake of fire is the second DEATH. It is when people can die a second time....only this time there is no hope of a resurrection. It is not more sinister than that.
This is the lake of fire. A place from which no one returns. (as noted above)
Gehenna (often translated "hell") was a place where the fire never went out and the worms feed endlessly. Was this place literal? Yes!...gehenna was the Valley of Hinnom which was used for child sacrifice in Israel's ungodly past. It was converted to the city's garbage dump where the bodies of executed criminals were consumed by the fire along with the rest of Jerusalem's discarded refuse. What the fire missed, the maggots would finish. It was kept burning by the addition of sulphur, (brimstone) ensuring that the fire never went out.
Jesus used this place in an illustrative way. His Jewish audience knew exactly what it meant to be cast into gehenna. Everything that went in there was utterly destroyed. There was no burial place for the wicked to indicate that this person had ever lived.
Nothing alive was ever thrown in there.
Gladly. Everlasting death IS everlasting punishment. God has no interest in granting everlasting life to the wicked...that is something he reserves for the righteous. In order to punish the wicked eternally, he would have to grant them everlasting life, would he not? This is not his purpose. He does not want to torture people...he never has and never will.
Why would his justice demand more than the crime deserved? Why would the punishment be meted out for the sake of punishment with no rehabilitation possible? When did God ever do something like that? In Israel, if a crime was committed, the stated penalty was compensation for the victim, or in the case of a capital offence, the death penalty applied. The highest penalty a person could pay for ANY crime, was death.
There were no prisons in Israel. God never said to incarcerate anyone. The closest thing to a prison was a city of refuge where an accidental manslayer could go to escape the death penalty. He had the freedom to roam the city, but if he stepped outside he could be legally put to death.
You just described most of the world!
Those who are saved are "few". (Matt 7:13-14) Those annihilated by God at Armageddon will never be remembered. There are 'Christians' as we speak who are so sure that they are saved, but will suffer rejection when Christ comes to judge the world. (Matt 7:21-23) They rely on their own understanding of what Christianity is and what it means, but it is not acceptable to Christ Jesus. There are only "sheep" and "goats" in the world. What did Jesus say was the determining factor in his separation of them? Read Matt 25:31-46 and tell me what you think it is.
That is a very warped version of what you think I have said. Let me explain....
No one is written in the book of life who will not live forever. What is the criteria for getting one's name in the book of life to start with? Obedience to God's laws come first and foremost.
There are two roads, Jesus said.....the road to life and the road to death. According to Jesus, the majority are on the wrong road. It demands nothing of them....it is broad and easy, no hassles, no impediments, no real demands.
True followers of Christ were to be hated and persecuted on a cramped and narrow road. The going was to be hard with many trials. Any wonder people invented a Christianity that was easy. They broadened the gate and the road until it looked just like the other one.
If Christ returned today...who would he accept as his own?
The big picture is not very complicated at all. Christendom's version of things makes it extremely complex.
Those alive when Christ returns, will either live or die.
"and to you who are troubled, rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels,in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power" (2 Thess 1:7-9. KJ21)
The punishment is "everlasting destruction"...not everlasting torture or suffering. Who will merit this punishment? Those who don't know God because they don't want to...and those who know but don't obey.
Those who have paid sin's wages will be returned to life by means of a resurrection. Both "righteous and unrighteous" will be called out of their tombs. (John 5:28, 29) They have not been anywhere, but sleeping in death. (Eccl 9:5, 6, 10; John 11:11)
When you invent immortal souls, you have to invent places for them to go. The Bible does not do that.
If the souls of those who have died are in heaven watching the sufferings of their loved ones on earth, then how would heaven be a happy place? They would be suffering as much as we are.
For the 1,000 years of Christ's reign, God has selected a finite number of faithful humans to rule with Christ in heaven.(Rev 20:6; Rev 14:1, 3) These are the only ones who go there. They alone are granted immortality.
An educational program will be implemented to instruct all mankind in Jehovah's ways. The earth will then become 'filled with the knowledge of Jehovah'.
Isaiah 11:1-9 gives us a picture of this wonderful restoration. Rev 21:1-4 also pictures this time.
At the end of the 1,000 years, satan will be loosed from his abyss to test perfected mankind one last time. (Rev 20:7, 8)
Those who prove loyal to God in this test will be granted everlasting life, having their name written in the book of life, permanently. Those who fail, can expect to be eliminated the fire that God uses to destroy them.
Jesus hands the now tried and tested human family back to his Father and the whole purpose of the kingdom has come to a completion. We go back to what God purposed in Eden. An earth 'filled' with righteous humans who will serve God obediently for all eternity.
The paradise conditions that Adam lost, are restored...all thanks to the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus, provided by his Father, to whom all praise and glory must go.
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selenah
Guest
Molly, I've been thinking, and was wondering....what do you think happens to demons? What happens to Satan? Do they suffer eternal torment or do they just stop existing. I don't see why God would treat them any differently than humans. Anyways I was just wondering...
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Another good question selenah.
The devil and his hordes have been confined to the vicinity of the earth at this time. That's why things are so bad right now. Have you noticed how many satanic things are promoted in the entertainment industry. Supernatural themes in movies, especially kids movies...demonism, magic and spiritistic things are presented as harmless...but they are not. God hates them. (Deut 18:10-12)
Satan is also interested in promoting sex and violence...these are also featured very strongly in the movies, in computer games and on TV.
When Jesus was installed as king, the first thing he did was cleanse the heavens. He kicked satan and his demons out and they are doing their darndest to mislead mankind away from God and his worship. (Rev 12:7-12) We are warned about this so we can take action against them. (James 4:7)
The devil is angry because he knows his time is almost up. Jesus is about to lock him up in an abyss along with his demon hordes. A strong angel closes the pit and seals it up for 1,000 years whilst Jesus fixes everything on earth. (Rev 20:1-3) The devil and his demons cannot interfere during this time.
When Jesus finally comes to establish kingdom rule on earth, (soon now) he will also crush corrupt human rulership out of existence and replace them with God's rulership. (Daniel 2:44) This is the rulership that God planned for humans at the very beginning. It is what Jesus taught us to pray for..."thy kingdom come"...the time when "God's will is done on earth as it is in heaven.
Adam lost everlasting life in paradise...Jesus comes to bring it back for us.
When Jesus rules the world during that 1,000 years..paradise conditions will be restored. (Rev 21:1-4) Everything that causes pain and suffering will be gone.
At the end of the 1,000 years, satan is released for a little while to test mankind one last time.
All who follow satan this time will be destroyed and the devil and his demons will go into the lake of fire...never to be seen again! (Rev 20:10) Good riddance!
Peace to you my young friend.
Molly
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Laodicea
Guest
Luke 12:47-48
(47) And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
(48) But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Not everyone who is lost will receive the same punishment. While the fire that will be on earth will go out cause God will create a new earth after the fire goes out. Satan who is the instigator of sin will receive more punishment than all
(47) And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
(48) But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Not everyone who is lost will receive the same punishment. While the fire that will be on earth will go out cause God will create a new earth after the fire goes out. Satan who is the instigator of sin will receive more punishment than all
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Crossfire
Guest
You're right. It's been a while since I've read REV. 20. The lake of fire is the ultimate place of torment rather than the bottomless pit. I should really freshen up on my eschotology. It's been a while since I've sat down and Revelation all the way through.
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selenah
Guest
Another good question selenah.
The devil and his hordes have been confined to the vicinity of the earth at this time. That's why things are so bad right now. Have you noticed how many satanic things are promoted in the entertainment industry. Supernatural themes in movies, especially kids movies...demonism, magic and spiritistic things are presented as harmless...but they are not. God hates them. (Deut 18:10-12)
Satan is also interested in promoting sex and violence...these are also featured very strongly in the movies, in computer games and on TV.
When Jesus was installed as king, the first thing he did was cleanse the heavens. He kicked satan and his demons out and they are doing their darndest to mislead mankind away from God and his worship. (Rev 12:7-12) We are warned about this so we can take action against them. (James 4:7)
The devil is angry because he knows his time is almost up. Jesus is about to lock him up in an abyss along with his demon hordes. A strong angel closes the pit and seals it up for 1,000 years whilst Jesus fixes everything on earth. (Rev 20:1-3) The devil and his demons cannot interfere during this time.
When Jesus finally comes to establish kingdom rule on earth, (soon now) he will also crush corrupt human rulership out of existence and replace them with God's rulership. (Daniel 2:44) This is the rulership that God planned for humans at the very beginning. It is what Jesus taught us to pray for..."thy kingdom come"...the time when "God's will is done on earth as it is in heaven.
Adam lost everlasting life in paradise...Jesus comes to bring it back for us.
When Jesus rules the world during that 1,000 years..paradise conditions will be restored. (Rev 21:1-4) Everything that causes pain and suffering will be gone.
At the end of the 1,000 years, satan is released for a little while to test mankind one last time.
All who follow satan this time will be destroyed and the devil and his demons will go into the lake of fire...never to be seen again! (Rev 20:10) Good riddance!
Peace to you my young friend.
Molly
Okay well I'm really not sure what to say. Lol I start thinking "Oh I should say this, no don't say that." I think I'll back away and go over everything again. Everyone posted alot of information lol.
To Molly and those that do not trust the blood of Christ for their eternal salvation from eternal damnation.
Jesus Christ is our ransom and it was His shed blood and His life through death that paid the wages for our sins. This is why we believe and trust in His work of the cross. Our only obedience is to believe upon the Son by faith who put away our sin. It is the blood of Christ that cleanses us and we have forgiveness of sin through Him and His shed blood. We reckon on what He has done on our behalf as our substitute. He is the sacrificial Lamb and the propitiation for our sins, and not ours only, but for the sins of the sins of the whole world. Christ paved the way for sinners to be redeemed and justified through His shed blood. There is no other way for sinful man to be justified before a Holy God except through the blood of Christ.
We, as sinners, believe upon the Son and He presents the blood to the Father on our behalf and we are washed and our sin becomes white as snow. That is the gospel and anything outside the shed blood of Christ and His death, burial and resurrection is another gospel and another Christ. There is no fellowship or communion between believers outside the blood of Christ. If you think that any believer can have fellowship with God and God's people and worship God outside the blood of Christ, you do not belong to Him and you have not been cleansed from your sin and you need to repent of your contrived intellectualism and receive the blood of Christ with the faith of a little child for the remission of your sins.
Jesus Christ is our ransom and it was His shed blood and His life through death that paid the wages for our sins. This is why we believe and trust in His work of the cross. Our only obedience is to believe upon the Son by faith who put away our sin. It is the blood of Christ that cleanses us and we have forgiveness of sin through Him and His shed blood. We reckon on what He has done on our behalf as our substitute. He is the sacrificial Lamb and the propitiation for our sins, and not ours only, but for the sins of the sins of the whole world. Christ paved the way for sinners to be redeemed and justified through His shed blood. There is no other way for sinful man to be justified before a Holy God except through the blood of Christ.
We, as sinners, believe upon the Son and He presents the blood to the Father on our behalf and we are washed and our sin becomes white as snow. That is the gospel and anything outside the shed blood of Christ and His death, burial and resurrection is another gospel and another Christ. There is no fellowship or communion between believers outside the blood of Christ. If you think that any believer can have fellowship with God and God's people and worship God outside the blood of Christ, you do not belong to Him and you have not been cleansed from your sin and you need to repent of your contrived intellectualism and receive the blood of Christ with the faith of a little child for the remission of your sins.
i rebuke you in the Name of Jesus, Red33...
unless Molly has said otherwise, she does trust in the Blood of Christ for her eternal salvation, as do I.
Selenah, it's best if you stay away from those "Christians" who, when their opinion is challenged, turn to accusations and insults, or "ad hominem" attacks.
im sure you've been reading Molly's posts just as much as I have... in her posts, selenah, do you think she has ever said or ever given the impression that she doesn't trust in Jesus Christ for salvation?
unless Molly has said otherwise, she does trust in the Blood of Christ for her eternal salvation, as do I.
Selenah, it's best if you stay away from those "Christians" who, when their opinion is challenged, turn to accusations and insults, or "ad hominem" attacks.
im sure you've been reading Molly's posts just as much as I have... in her posts, selenah, do you think she has ever said or ever given the impression that she doesn't trust in Jesus Christ for salvation?
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selenah
Guest
I'm not quite sure what Molly believes about and in relationship to the blood of Christ, but I'm sure I'll find out. Your rebuke and 'ad hominem' was a little premature and doesn't mean a whole lot anyways. You and others don't even know what your rebuking half the time anyways because your discernment is so far off base and has nothing to do with the things of God. Why not pack your bags and go for a long hike somewhere in the woods where you can say what you want because no one will be interested. At least you'll get some fresh air for your brain. We are to provoke one another unto love and good works, but see what you provoke in me!!!!!!!!!
well, Red33, when you sit here and "claim" that someone doesn't trust in Jesus Christ for their salvation, the spirit of accusation i see in you makes me wonder where your heart truly lies...
Jesus does not accuse the brethren day and night.
Satan is.
and more of your personal attacks on me wont garner you any respect from me either. I know where i stand, and I know where I'm headed.
is hell forever? no. hell is not the lake of fire. hell is cast into the lake of fire, where it will be destroyed, and never brought back again, as scripture points out.
the question has been answered.
Jesus does not accuse the brethren day and night.
Satan is.
and more of your personal attacks on me wont garner you any respect from me either. I know where i stand, and I know where I'm headed.
is hell forever? no. hell is not the lake of fire. hell is cast into the lake of fire, where it will be destroyed, and never brought back again, as scripture points out.
the question has been answered.
Do you really think that's a personal attack? You should study what the scriptures teach on slander, malignity, evil reports, repeating matters of sin about others and all the things mentioned in (Prov 6:16-19) that the Lord hates. Then study the life of David, all the way through, and find out why he said some of the things that he had to say in the Psalms about his enemies and how they acted with their words and deeds toward him and how he addressed the Lord on these issues. Then come back and tell me if I really attacked you as you claim.
"Why not pack your bags and go for a long hike somewhere in the woods where you can say what you want because no one will be interested. At least you'll get some fresh air for your brain."
sounds like an insult to me...
sounds like hot air from someone who doesn't like to hear what others with a different interpretation have to say...
it doesn't take rocket science to tell when I'm being insulted... but i expect that when it comes from one who follows man-made doctrine.
if it we truly from the Lord, you wouldnt be sitting here accusing someone of not having faith in Jesus, when in fact, they do have faith in Jesus.
it is Satan that accuses the brethren day and night...
and that's all you ever do on these forums, Red33.
sounds like an insult to me...
sounds like hot air from someone who doesn't like to hear what others with a different interpretation have to say...
it doesn't take rocket science to tell when I'm being insulted... but i expect that when it comes from one who follows man-made doctrine.
if it we truly from the Lord, you wouldnt be sitting here accusing someone of not having faith in Jesus, when in fact, they do have faith in Jesus.
it is Satan that accuses the brethren day and night...
and that's all you ever do on these forums, Red33.
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