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i fall into wrathful talk about my in-laws (at home behind their back) because they bug,
and i have a lustful eye whenever i hear a chick my head turns to see what she looks like, if she she’s a goth or emo i look even more.
i have yet to fall back into porn but my sins are no less.
that is why i try to keep my eyes to the ground and have a nickel i hold in my teeth when i start to get angry (both only work about 60% of the time)
it is a hard fight every day, a fight i only started 4 months ago.
and i have a lustful eye whenever i hear a chick my head turns to see what she looks like, if she she’s a goth or emo i look even more.
i have yet to fall back into porn but my sins are no less.
that is why i try to keep my eyes to the ground and have a nickel i hold in my teeth when i start to get angry (both only work about 60% of the time)
it is a hard fight every day, a fight i only started 4 months ago.
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Rom 7:15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.
Rom 7:16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.
Rom 7:17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.
Rom 7:19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
Rom 7:21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,
Rom 7:23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.
Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
Rom 7:16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.
Rom 7:17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.
Rom 7:19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
Rom 7:21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,
Rom 7:23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.
Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
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Yes!!so far so good!!
yaaay
So we are not trying to meet our own expectations of what is good and bad but His correct?
(Example saying racism is bad yet being ok with lust would be our own expectation or selective sin approval)
(or to say theft is bad, but not feeling the same about lies)
yaaay So we are not trying to meet our own expectations of what is good and bad but His correct?
(Example saying racism is bad yet being ok with lust would be our own expectation or selective sin approval)
(or to say theft is bad, but not feeling the same about lies)
Not to say we can actually meet it but we are trying to walk in it out of love for Him
If you keep praying to the Lord and keep asking Him to take the Lust away from you, He is faithful to be your help when you are in need.
You can trade your shame for His Joy. But you must be persistent. Continue in prayer. Continue to ask. Know that He is the only One who can take this sorrow from you. Know it and keep asking.
More than likely there are a few strongholds in your own mind that He will have to take down. I thought that I had gotten over certain things in my life but the Lord brought them back up like they were brand new and took these strongholds down for me. Apparently lust is pretty common among men... We all think we are these unique, special cases but the same traps that have snared men since the beginning still work today... Remember how Baalim told Balak how he could overcome the children of Israel? It was through lust.
It is a fight. Praying out loud to the Lord is our only hope at any sort of victory. People forget to tell each other that this is critical. As soon as I started praying out loud to the Lord I started seeing results in my life. Why I don't pray more is a mystery to me. I should get off the computer and go pray right now... Pray, pray, pray. That is where the rubber meets the road in a Christians life. Your victory in the Lord will come through your Prayers.
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I am talking about if we have no desire to look at our self, recognize our sins, and no desire to change or even pray on it because we feel there is no point because we are going to heaven anyway
so we do not say to our self should I try to resist lusting, being racist, violent, verbally wrathful, because we feel we are going to heaven anyway why do I care, I rather go play a video game than waste time on that.
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you won't want to do it. (sin).
Sin does not abide in us IF we abide in Him.
VII, have you stopped, dropped, prayed to your Father in heaven for forbiveness of your sins,.accepted Him to be Lord of your life, been filled by the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
What did Jesus tell those who accuse the prostitute, Mary Magdalene, of sinning?
”He who is without sin cast the first stone.”
These were those who , some anyway, I'm sure, of this accusatory throng, were believers , 'disciples' . And, NONE threw a stone because ALL new they were a man and had sin.
So, after that, Jesus said, to Mary Magdalene, no one has condemned you, neither do I, go then, and, sin no more. Read this scripture to fully understand context, I speak from memory, but gist is this.
Sin does not abide in us IF we abide in Him.
VII, have you stopped, dropped, prayed to your Father in heaven for forbiveness of your sins,.accepted Him to be Lord of your life, been filled by the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
What did Jesus tell those who accuse the prostitute, Mary Magdalene, of sinning?
”He who is without sin cast the first stone.”
These were those who , some anyway, I'm sure, of this accusatory throng, were believers , 'disciples' . And, NONE threw a stone because ALL new they were a man and had sin.
So, after that, Jesus said, to Mary Magdalene, no one has condemned you, neither do I, go then, and, sin no more. Read this scripture to fully understand context, I speak from memory, but gist is this.
One of your errors is that you totally neglect the crucifixion of the flesh.
Many professing Christian's are in bondage to their lust and they are taught exactly what you teach. "Pray to God and keep asking Him to take the lust from you." That is not in the Bible.
These people are never told the truth that they have to REPENT and CRUCIFY their lust.
Those that are Christ's HAVE crucified their passions and desires.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
It is something they have done. Someone who is still in bondage to their lust HAS NOT crucified it and is thus does not belong to Christ.
The church system is full of sin because Biblical repentance has been eliminated from the Gospel. The crucifixion of the old man has been totally perverted.
The whole purpose of crucifying the old man in repentance is to walk in victory not serving sin.
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Romans chapter 6 lays this out so clearly. The modern theologians have totally perverted Romans 6 and have twisted it into a "positional" crucifixion. This has to be Satan's masterpiece to pull this off.
The truth is right in front of people, it is so clear, yet they cannot see it.
The Pharisees acted in the same way when Jesus healed the blind man on the Sabbath. They refused the truth right in front of them due to their pride. To hold onto pride for at the expense of your soul is a very expensive transaction.
If you go through all your posts Grandpa notice that you never talk about crucifying the passions and desires of the flesh in repentance.
You Gospel is the package. You present the package of "Jesus did it all" and you just receive and trust in that and like magic you are saved.
The package gospel eliminates the death of the old man, striving, the narrow way, and walking in victory.
The package gospel is a sin gospel where you are the Romans wretch, the chief of all sinners, and you will always be sinning. It is a gospel of defeat a gospel of death. It is the gospel which is preached far and wide all over the world, all over the tv, all over the radio, in all the so called christian bookshop. It is the gospel of the MANY.
The true Gospel of the FEW is scarcely heard anywhere today.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Many professing Christian's are in bondage to their lust and they are taught exactly what you teach. "Pray to God and keep asking Him to take the lust from you." That is not in the Bible.
These people are never told the truth that they have to REPENT and CRUCIFY their lust.
Those that are Christ's HAVE crucified their passions and desires.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
It is something they have done. Someone who is still in bondage to their lust HAS NOT crucified it and is thus does not belong to Christ.
The church system is full of sin because Biblical repentance has been eliminated from the Gospel. The crucifixion of the old man has been totally perverted.
The whole purpose of crucifying the old man in repentance is to walk in victory not serving sin.
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Romans chapter 6 lays this out so clearly. The modern theologians have totally perverted Romans 6 and have twisted it into a "positional" crucifixion. This has to be Satan's masterpiece to pull this off.
The truth is right in front of people, it is so clear, yet they cannot see it.
The Pharisees acted in the same way when Jesus healed the blind man on the Sabbath. They refused the truth right in front of them due to their pride. To hold onto pride for at the expense of your soul is a very expensive transaction.
If you go through all your posts Grandpa notice that you never talk about crucifying the passions and desires of the flesh in repentance.
You Gospel is the package. You present the package of "Jesus did it all" and you just receive and trust in that and like magic you are saved.
The package gospel eliminates the death of the old man, striving, the narrow way, and walking in victory.
The package gospel is a sin gospel where you are the Romans wretch, the chief of all sinners, and you will always be sinning. It is a gospel of defeat a gospel of death. It is the gospel which is preached far and wide all over the world, all over the tv, all over the radio, in all the so called christian bookshop. It is the gospel of the MANY.
The true Gospel of the FEW is scarcely heard anywhere today.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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Why should you try?
You can't do it ! YOU, VII, ME, EVERYONE, ALL OF MANKIND, is FALLEN, WE can't KEEP FROM SINNING, Christ dying on the cross showed us the way to not want to sin no more but it is what is RECEIVED after that acceptance of Christ to lead your life forevermore that MAKES you want not to no longer live in sin, you want to sin no more.
1 John 3:6 says this so clearly, what else can I possibly say ?
Is there a doctrinal gap between my and your beliefs, VII? Do you believe in the receiving of the Holy Spirit to keep you from sinning I guess is what I am asking now. Acts 8 states that we are to 'receive' the Holy Spirit . Again, I am not condemning you or anyone, but that is what scripture says. It is not water baptism (necessarily), the Lord leads your heart. Ultimately, YOU want to do things in your life through great prayer and fasting and thanksgiving to God, and, FOLLOW His leading of your individual life, you know the scripture, His eye is on the sparrow, right.
His power, in Christ alone, His acts, ALL His gracious gifts given us, including the gift of the Holy Spirit, THIS is our strength, THIS is our hope, for today, for tomorrow, for evermore
Why should you try?
You can't do it ! YOU, VII, ME, EVERYONE, ALL OF MANKIND, is FALLEN, WE can't KEEP FROM SINNING, Christ dying on the cross showed us the way to not want to sin no more but it is what is RECEIVED after that acceptance of Christ to lead your life forevermore that MAKES you want not to no longer live in sin, you want to sin no more.
1 John 3:6 says this so clearly, what else can I possibly say ?
Is there a doctrinal gap between my and your beliefs, VII? Do you believe in the receiving of the Holy Spirit to keep you from sinning I guess is what I am asking now. Acts 8 states that we are to 'receive' the Holy Spirit . Again, I am not condemning you or anyone, but that is what scripture says. It is not water baptism (necessarily), the Lord leads your heart. Ultimately, YOU want to do things in your life through great prayer and fasting and thanksgiving to God, and, FOLLOW His leading of your individual life, you know the scripture, His eye is on the sparrow, right.
His power, in Christ alone, His acts, ALL His gracious gifts given us, including the gift of the Holy Spirit, THIS is our strength, THIS is our hope, for today, for tomorrow, for evermore
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We must keep our eyes on the prize, which is Christ Jesus our Lord God Saviour , the Holy Spirit indwelling in your temple (body) will KEEP you strong in that fight.
Yes ! The flesh is WEAK (beyond weak, it is LIFEless!), but He is STRONG
We fight against what? Not flesh and blood, but the ENEMY, EVIL, yes, yes, yes, SIN !!!
Now, I thibnk you are getting it, Thank you, JESUS, ! your porn is NO SIN that is not common to man !! Nothing has overcame you, VII, hislastwalk, cfultz, grandpa, tombo, all of mankind, even womankind (I know, hard to believe, huh, miladies ), even Shroom2 (I thought you would get a laugh out of that, Christ bro ) EVERYONE ON PLANET EARTH!, except that which is COMMON TO MAN
1 Corinthians 10:13 - No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.
But, yes, we fight against the things of Satan, of the pitch-black, sooty, darkness, that wants so very well to TAKE YOUR soul.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12
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VII , we ALL sin, ALL THE TIME, it is human nature, as I said, 'common to man,' our nature, our very rottenness of flesh WANTS to sin and it WANTS to sin all the time.....
BUT, and it's a giNORMOUS 'but,' the Holy Spirit indwelling inside us TAKES that feeling from us and takes that guilt from us, TAKES that sorrow, TAKES that shame, and, reminds us, timelessly, that we are His and sin has a STRANGLEHOLD on us NO MORE.
We NEED to understand that we are DEAD to the flesh and are in the 'heavenly realm' which is in scripture too but I will have to find it, the power of He who is you (heavenly realm guy-God's Spirit) is GREATER than he (darkness world-Satan) who is in the world !! Beautiful isn't it and that is more scripture, close to verbatim from the Word, read yourself though for context the Lord (His Spirit) leads you
We must keep our eyes on the prize, which is Christ Jesus our Lord God Saviour , the Holy Spirit indwelling in your temple (body) will KEEP you strong in that fight.
Yes ! The flesh is WEAK (beyond weak, it is LIFEless!), but He is STRONG
We fight against what? Not flesh and blood, but the ENEMY, EVIL, yes, yes, yes, SIN !!!
Now, I thibnk you are getting it, Thank you, JESUS, !
your porn is NO SIN that is not common to man !! Nothing has overcame you, VII, hislastwalk, cfultz, grandpa, tombo, all of mankind, even womankind (I know, hard to believe, huh, miladies ), even Shroom2 (I thought you would get a laugh out of that, Christ bro ) EVERYONE ON PLANET EARTH!, except that which is COMMON TO MAN 1 Corinthians 10:13 - No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.
But, yes, we fight against the things of Satan, of the pitch-black, sooty, darkness, that wants so very well to TAKE YOUR soul.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12
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VII , we ALL sin, ALL THE TIME, it is human nature, as I said, 'common to man,' our nature, our very rottenness of flesh WANTS to sin and it WANTS to sin all the time.....
BUT, and it's a giNORMOUS 'but,' the Holy Spirit indwelling inside us TAKES that feeling from us and takes that guilt from us, TAKES that sorrow, TAKES that shame, and, reminds us, timelessly, that we are His and sin has a STRANGLEHOLD on us NO MORE.
We NEED to understand that we are DEAD to the flesh and are in the 'heavenly realm' which is in scripture too but I will have to find it, the power of He who is you (heavenly realm guy-God's Spirit) is GREATER than he (darkness world-Satan) who is in the world !! Beautiful isn't it and that is more scripture, close to verbatim from the Word, read yourself though for context the Lord (His Spirit) leads you
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Why should you try?
You can't do it ! YOU, VII, ME, EVERYONE, ALL OF MANKIND, is FALLEN, WE can't KEEP FROM SINNING, Christ dying on the cross showed us the way to not want to sin no more but it is what is RECEIVED after that acceptance of Christ to lead your life forevermore that MAKES you want not to no longer live in sin, you want to sin no more.
1 John 3:6 says this so clearly, what else can I possibly say ?
Is there a doctrinal gap between my and your beliefs, VII? Do you believe in the receiving of the Holy Spirit to keep you from sinning I guess is what I am asking now. Acts 8 states that we are to 'receive' the Holy Spirit . Again, I am not condemning you or anyone, but that is what scripture says. It is not water baptism (necessarily), the Lord leads your heart. Ultimately, YOU want to do things in your life through great prayer and fasting and thanksgiving to God, and, FOLLOW His leading of your individual life, you know the scripture, His eye is on the sparrow, right.
His power, in Christ alone, His acts, ALL His gracious gifts given us, including the gift of the Holy Spirit, THIS is our strength, THIS is our hope, for today, for tomorrow, for evermore
Why should you try?
You can't do it ! YOU, VII, ME, EVERYONE, ALL OF MANKIND, is FALLEN, WE can't KEEP FROM SINNING, Christ dying on the cross showed us the way to not want to sin no more but it is what is RECEIVED after that acceptance of Christ to lead your life forevermore that MAKES you want not to no longer live in sin, you want to sin no more.
1 John 3:6 says this so clearly, what else can I possibly say ?
Is there a doctrinal gap between my and your beliefs, VII? Do you believe in the receiving of the Holy Spirit to keep you from sinning I guess is what I am asking now. Acts 8 states that we are to 'receive' the Holy Spirit . Again, I am not condemning you or anyone, but that is what scripture says. It is not water baptism (necessarily), the Lord leads your heart. Ultimately, YOU want to do things in your life through great prayer and fasting and thanksgiving to God, and, FOLLOW His leading of your individual life, you know the scripture, His eye is on the sparrow, right.
His power, in Christ alone, His acts, ALL His gracious gifts given us, including the gift of the Holy Spirit, THIS is our strength, THIS is our hope, for today, for tomorrow, for evermore
You are holding to the classic modern church error. Inability.
When people truly believe they cannot stop sinning then they won't. This belief is rooted in the teaching of the "sin nature" as something you are "born with." Such a belief redefines sin to simply be a symptom of a condition of which you were born with rather than a crime against God.
It is a deadly error!
If a sinner sins because that is how he was born then the sinner is not at fault. A sinner who believes such a thing cannot be truly sorry for their actions because the fault is placed on their condition at birth. In reality it is putting the blame of sin on God which is blasphemy.
Sin is a moral issue, it is a choice. It is true then when someone willfully chooses to suppress the light in favour of yielding to their flesh they sell themselves into bondage to sin. Sin hardens the heart and is very deceitful. Over time a natural predisposition to sin will develop and that is what you read of in Eph 2.
Jesus Christ came to set us free from this bondage through the cross. We are to die with Him in the baptism of repentance that we may be raised up by the power of God to newness of life, quickened by His Spirit, and reconciled through the propitiation of His blood for our past sins.
Sin is rooted in rebellion to God and thus to cease from rebellion means to align oneself with the will of God. Without the will of God there can be no cessation of sin, hence we cannot stop sinning without the drawing of God.
Yet this drawing of God, through His grace, has appeared to ALL MEN. Through the light of conscience, preaching, the Bible, by example etc. Men choose to sin when they resist this light and that is why they are under condemnation. It is a heart issue. The sinners heart is defiled by selfishness rooted in the self will. In other words a sinner wants to be as God, their own god, walking in their own righteousness.
This "accepting of Christ" is nonsense and is not found anywhere in the Bible. When the rich young ruler came to Jesus and asked what did he have to do to inherit eternal life Jesus told him to keep the commandments. When the rich young ruler said that he already did then Jesus said he lacked one thing, he had to sell all he had and come and follow Him.
This made the rich young ruler sad because he has many worldly possessions and was not willing to forsake them so he left Jesus.
In this incident Jesus was teaching what it costs to follow Him. It costs everything. We have to be willing to lay aside self which means to "deny ourselves and what we want" and to pick up our cross "which means to walk with our wills crucified not yielding to the passions and desires of the flesh" and then we will be able to follow Jesus.
Very few are willing to do that.
Every person has the ability but not every person has the will.
It is also important to note that suppressing the light in favour of darkness is extremely dangerous because God does not strive with men forever. He does give people up to a reprobate mind and He does send strong delusion. Anyone who ends up in that state would find it impossible to repent because the light in them has been removed.
As I have stated in other posts the error of inability goes back to what Augustine of Hippo taught. It was that man who brought the teachings of unconditional election and total depravity into church orthodoxy thus destroying the repentance message.
Pornography was mentioned in this thread.
I person with a pornography addiction looks at porn because they choose to.
This is what is happening...
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
They are being drawn away by their own lusts. This is exactly what happened to Eve in the garden...
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Eve was drawn away by the lusts of the eyes and the desires of her flesh. That is sin.
That is why those who are set free through Jesus Christ have crucified those lusts of the flesh as it says in Gal 5:24.
So many are deceived into believing that they have to wait on God to change them. God will not change you. You have to yield to God and allow God to do His work in you. When a sinner is yielding to their lusts it is separating them from God.
Satan does not want people to repent and thus crucify their flesh, thus forsaking all known sin. Satan knows that if you do that you will be set free and that you will be walking in the light where the blood will cleanse you of ALL SIN.
Jesus sets people free for real. Truly free where they go and sin no more.
I person with a pornography addiction looks at porn because they choose to.
This is what is happening...
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
They are being drawn away by their own lusts. This is exactly what happened to Eve in the garden...
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Eve was drawn away by the lusts of the eyes and the desires of her flesh. That is sin.
That is why those who are set free through Jesus Christ have crucified those lusts of the flesh as it says in Gal 5:24.
So many are deceived into believing that they have to wait on God to change them. God will not change you. You have to yield to God and allow God to do His work in you. When a sinner is yielding to their lusts it is separating them from God.
Satan does not want people to repent and thus crucify their flesh, thus forsaking all known sin. Satan knows that if you do that you will be set free and that you will be walking in the light where the blood will cleanse you of ALL SIN.
Jesus sets people free for real. Truly free where they go and sin no more.