What is the salvation process? Believe. Baptize. RECEIVE !

GreenNnice · Apr 22, 2012

1 Cor. 12:3 - "Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit ."

What does this statement mean? My eternity is in question if I don't show fruit-love, joy, peace, patience, meekness, benignity, etc- of the Holy Spirit working manifest gifts-gifts of encouragement, gifts of giving, gift of discerning spirits, gift of prophecy, gift of working miracles, gift of interpreting tongues, gift of healing, word of wisdom, word of knowledge, etc- given me in my life ?

Is my receiving of the Holy Spirit after having accepted Christ as my Saviour really that important ?

Doesn't the Holy Spirit just automatically enter into my temple, my body, after I become a christian, become born again ?

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Good questions, eh ?

Good statement, too.

And, the answer to all of them is this: How is the Lord leading your life now. Follow Him ! The Lord leads

Is God telling you to take that NEXT STEP of receiving His Holy Spirit into your way of doing life ?

I liked the word that Eternally_Grateful used...

It is not a requirement to receive the Holy Spirit. But, my friends, me speaking here, it is essential. It is, it is, well, it is not going to be me doing anything more than listing scripture, I don't want to judge so I will just go to this next part as, sorry, the Lord does lead me this way now, and, I can't put into right words of the importance of the Holy Spirit to your life on my own doing . He MUST speak through me

God has individual plans for all our lives (Jeremiah 29:11) and IF you die without having received the Holy Spirit into your being, that is OK, IF His conviction for taking your life to that next step was not asked of you by God. Scripture is clear that the Holy Spirit does not just:

A. Enter those that receive the word of God , believe, and, are SAVED (Christ died for your sins, John 3:16, that is used for bringing others to Christ)

B. The Holy Spirit does NOT just enter those baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

It is a process that God will INDIVIDUALLY show you as your relationship deepens with Him.

Acts 8: 14-17 - Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

So, it is so, this order:

A. Receive word of God and be SAVED.
B. Be baptized (in water, this is how I believe this baptism to be done) as an affirmation of your faith in Christ, and, do it in the name of Lord Jesus.
C. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit (laying on of hands, or, however the Spirit is received, there is no one way to receive the Holy Spirit, just do it His way

)

The Holy Spirit will then be not just by your side, but inside, leading you to change of all things done to hurt you, done by Him from the inside out. You are a new creation when you choose Christ as your Saviour, old things are passed away, and, in comes the 'new,' and the new is the Holy Spirit in YOU

No, the Lord would not let me stop with just that thread 'Holy Spirit is your BFF' thread . He had more in mind, and, this is the kind of thread I really have to talk to God about because....

there is NO condemnation in Christ Jesus, scripture states this Truth. Only God alone judges, scripture states this Truth, too . I am merely, hoping and praying, that I am a vessel He is using to show you the power of the Holy Spirit just waiting to become received into awesome revelation into YOUR life here on planet earth, to help (HS is our 'helper') you go where no one but you (maybe your mate) can frontier

The Spirit convicts you but The Enemy (Satan) condemns and judges you, and, hence, you become GUILTY feeling. Of course, 'guilt' drops our countenances and sin is the result, look no farther than the story of Cain and Abel for IF sin results from a fallen 'countenance. Sin crouches at your door IF you do wrong things that do not please God for your life. Painful Truth for we humans. But, God is good always remember.

The Holy Spirit is soooo important for your/our lives, Christ peeps. I pray you boldly take Him in. You believed in Him through reading of the Word and listening to His Spirit speak to you(John 3:16), now, receive Him in Spirit. We are to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth , and, yes, that is absolutely verbatim scripture . God bless you all, brothers and sisters

jimmydiggs · Apr 22, 2012

Repentence doesn't cause salvation. Genuine repentence is a fruit of the spirit.

Galatians 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other

jandian · Apr 22, 2012

Didnt read all the threads, dont know if it was mentioned, but a vital part of salvation is repentance

Mark 6:
12 So they went out and preached that people should repent

Acts 17:
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

Matt 11:
20 Then He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent

Tommy4Christ · Apr 22, 2012

You are Saved by: James1:21-22
Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

The Receiving with Meekness is Repentance with godly sorry. The Implanted Word is what you Obey.

FAITH IS OBEDIENCE TO THE TRUTH, A WORK, YOU DO NOT OBEY, YOU SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Tommy4Christ · Apr 22, 2012

repentance unto salvation!

Repentance is an urgent desire to change! (2 Corinthians 7:11) You believe from your heart. You obey to receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32) He comes into a clean vessel. A heart made pure by faith (obedience) Acts 15:9) you obey and keep obeying, daily, to keep your heart pure and undefiled from the world! (1 Peter 1:22) That's how it works! Genuine repentance involves humility, brokenness and is a humiliating experience. When the true light of God's word floods into your soul, you see yourself as you are, in rebellion to God! This is what godly sorrow is all about. Deep regret for your sin's, a season of sorrow, leading to salvation! (2 Corinthians 7:10) not getting saved in your disobedience and sin's, but out of them, through true repentance first where the flesh is crucified with Christ, and put to death! (Galatians 2:20) cleansed to receive the Holy Spirit!

Now you got salvation!

CanadaNZ · Apr 22, 2012

Tommy4Christ said:

You are Saved by: James1:21-22
Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

The Receiving with Meekness is Repentance with godly sorry. The Implanted Word is what you Obey.

FAITH IS OBEDIENCE TO THE TRUTH, A WORK, YOU DO NOT OBEY, YOU SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Copy and pasted from "http://www.standingthegap.org/gospel.htm"

jandian · Apr 22, 2012

Tommy4Christ said:

I'm sorry I do not see repentance which means to" turn away from" as one action with receiving with meekness the implanted word. However, I wold agree that only after repentance you are able to receive the "implanted" word with meekness.

GreenNnice · Apr 22, 2012

GreenNnice said:

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Absolutely, repent is a part of the salvation process.

Blessings, may the Spirit of Him be always known

Eph 1: 13-14 The Spirit 'guarantees.'

Romans 8:9 Be His

”Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who IS in you, whom you have from God, and, you are not your own?”

Do you know?
Do you see ?

Don't worry if you afe a born again believer, having repented of your sins, been maybe baptized in water but not yet received the Holy Spirit....

Not even disciples in Paul's time knew of to accept the Holy Spirit of Christ..... You still got time, and, it is His time for 'that' reception. Pray to Him, for when it can be , be bold, have great faith in your Maker and your Saviour

Acts 19: 1-4

”And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples...
He (Paul) said to them, ”Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed (received Word, believed, repented, SAVED)?”
So they said to him, ”We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
And Paul said to them, ”Into what then were you baptized?”
So the disciples said, ”Into John's (water, 'in the name of Jesus') baptism.”
Then Paul said, ”John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him (John the Baptist), that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

And....

And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them.....”

So, definitely, 'repentence' is in the salvation process.

Not just once either, TWICE !

For acceptance of Christ and water baptism is a affirmation of our belief in Christ and repentance should be includec in your TESTIMONY before you are DUNKED

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Christ brothers and Sis, the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, we are in the last days, I think, the signs and wonders seem greater , with greater frequency, and, although, I do not personally, as of yet Spirit-led to do so, these greater signs and wondets of frequency also are of greater meaning too.

jimdig, jand, Thomas, canadAinNZ, all of us, remember to not condemn others in your God-given speak, just lead others in Love, the rest will happen from He who is in you, and, me

The Lord leads. Follow His lead and be fed with the bread and blood of He who will sacrifice and provide all for His glory done through you. Blesxings willl mount, your inheritance awaits !!!

Thank Him, praise Him, and, pray to Him for all good fruit to come through you to others you meet, never forget, do it daily, do it hourly, do it every second the Lord leads.

GreenNnice · Apr 23, 2012

jimmydiggs said:

jandian said:

Tommy4Christ said:

(((())))
It's a given, repentance is part of the salvation process, when I went up to the altar , like 5 times in the span of a couple months in 1997, ,it was then I repented of things that hurt me in past. Then, I recommitted my life to Christ. Water baptism was 3 years later and that same night I was baptized at my church I received the Holy Spirit after eating at a restaurant and a contingent laid hands on me outside the doors and prayed over me, like 10 people.

True repentance goes on before you accept Christ and many, many times after you need to repent. We are saved,by grace through our faith in Christ, but the Spirit's correction, reprimanding, reproof (pruned!)will go on throughout and we best truly repent at that time of a selfishness of our flesh be made aware by the Spirit or our punishment will be LESS talents, or, maybe this,is better understood , we will be manifested less gifts by God and therefore we will produce less fruit which will translate to a I-am so-so average assignment from God for your earthly life.

serpentslayer · Apr 23, 2012

Godly sorrow worketh repentance(forgot scripture ref.), which leads to confession (verbal), which leads to forgiveness and salvation (1Jn1:9).

feedm3 · Apr 23, 2012

This post will probably lead to the usual lynch mob as this subject always does, but if you want to know how to be saved, then read what NON Christians had to do.

Acts 2:37, stated by Jews after hearing Peter's great sermon convicting them of their sins, they asked, "men and brethren what shall we do?"
Acts 2:38, they were answered, "repent and be baptized FOR (not because of) the remission of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit".

It's that simple. Of course one MUST have faith, why would you repent or be baptized without faith. How does one recieve faith? Exactly how the NON Christians in Acts 2 did, by hearing the word of God:
ROm 10:17 "faith coming by hearing, hearing the word of God".

Is repetance essential to salvation?
Yes Luke 13:2,3 "repent or ye shall all likewise perish".

Is Baptism essential to salvation?
Yes it washes away your sins:
Acts 22:16 "and why tarriest thou? Arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling upon the name of the Lord".

Is it baptism or the blood of Christ that washes away our sins?
It is the blood of Christ .

Yet how do we contact the blood of Christ?
Through baptism:
I John 5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
I John 5:8: And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

The water (baptism) the Spirit (Holy Spirit who commands us to be baptized) and the blood (the blood of Jesus Chirst) all agree in one.
Baptism is not man made, nor is it something that man does to you.
It is commanded by God, it is God that:
1. Buries you in Christ upon Baptism - Rom 3:2,3.
2. Raises you up to walk in newness of life - Rom 3:3-f.
3. Washes away your sins upon baptism - Acts 22:16.
4. Adds you to the Lord's church - Acts 2:47

Repentance is a change of mind, but not only a mindset, but an action: without the action to turn and obey God, there has been no repentance:
Matthew 21:28: ¶But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
Matthew 21:29: He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
Matthew 21:30: And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
Matthew 21:31: Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

The one that did the will of the Father, said "no" to what he was commanded, but afterward repented "and went" (obeyed). IF he never "went" then he never repented.

Now there are many here who will tell you, that baptism is not what saves us. They are right in a sense, baptism alone does nothing, it must have faith, repentance, followed by baptism.

Yet faith alone does nothing just as baptism alone.

They will tell you the passages I have just showed you do not mean what they say. They will attempt to use greek to twist was "For" means in Acts 2:38, which is easily defeated with a simple greek study. They will tell you even though acts 22:16 says baptism washes away your sins, it really doesn't. Then they will try and replace water baptism with baptism of the Holy Spirit, but when you look at what the baptism of the HS is, you see these passages are talking about water baptism. Then they will tell you are saved ONLY upon believing (faith only), Yet the Bible defines faith as evidence, it is not a mere belief. Without obedience faith is dead.

I Pet 3:21, "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Peter is telling us, it not the washing of the body that makes baptism effectual, it is the answer of a good conscience toward God. Knowing you have obeyed him in what he has commanded us through the Spirit.

Now when the mob comes, and tries to convince you that all these passages do not mean what they say, be honest with the scriptures, and you will have the truth.

Why would people fight so hard against what is so clearly stated about repentance and baptism.
The reason, they are forced to fight against the simply stated word to hold to the doctrine of faith only. Instead of changing the doctrine to fit the bible, they change the bible to fit the doctrine. All this shall be revealed one day, including the Motives of men for their rejection of truth.

Heb 5:9, and being made perfect he became the author of the eternal salvation unto all that obey him.

GreenNnice · Apr 23, 2012

feedm3 said:

This post will probably lead to the usual lynch mob as this subject always does, but if you want to know how to be saved, then read what NON Christians had to do.

Acts 2:37, stated by Jews after hearing Peter's great sermon convicting them of their sins, they asked, "men and brethren what shall we do?"
Acts 2:38, they were answered, "repent and be baptized FOR (not because of) the remission of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit".

It's that simple. Of course one MUST have faith, why would you repent or be baptized without faith. How does one recieve faith? Exactly how the NON Christians in Acts 2 did, by hearing the word of God:
ROm 10:17 "faith coming by hearing, hearing the word of God".

Is repetance essential to salvation?
Yes Luke 13:2,3 "repent or ye shall all likewise perish".

Is Baptism essential to salvation?
Yes it washes away your sins:
Acts 22:16 "and why tarriest thou? Arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling upon the name of the Lord".

Is it baptism or the blood of Christ that washes away our sins?
It is the blood of Christ .

Yet how do we contact the blood of Christ?
Through baptism:
I John 5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
I John 5:8: And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

The water (baptism) the Spirit (Holy Spirit who commands us to be baptized) and the blood (the blood of Jesus Chirst) all agree in one.
Baptism is not man made, nor is it something that man does to you.
It is commanded by God, it is God that:
1. Buries you in Christ upon Baptism - Rom 3:2,3.
2. Raises you up to walk in newness of life - Rom 3:3-f.
3. Washes away your sins upon baptism - Acts 22:16.
4. Adds you to the Lord's church - Acts 2:47

Repentance is a change of mind, but not only a mindset, but an action: without the action to turn and obey God, there has been no repentance:
Matthew 21:28: ¶But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
Matthew 21:29: He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
Matthew 21:30: And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
Matthew 21:31: Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

The one that did the will of the Father, said "no" to what he was commanded, but afterward repented "and went" (obeyed). IF he never "went" then he never repented.

Now there are many here who will tell you, that baptism is not what saves us. They are right in a sense, baptism alone does nothing, it must have faith, repentance, followed by baptism.

Yet faith alone does nothing just as baptism alone.

They will tell you the passages I have just showed you do not mean what they say. They will attempt to use greek to twist was "For" means in Acts 2:38, which is easily defeated with a simple greek study. They will tell you even though acts 22:16 says baptism washes away your sins, it really doesn't. Then they will try and replace water baptism with baptism of the Holy Spirit, but when you look at what the baptism of the HS is, you see these passages are talking about water baptism. Then they will tell you are saved ONLY upon believing (faith only), Yet the Bible defines faith as evidence, it is not a mere belief. Without obedience faith is dead.

I Pet 3:21, "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Peter is telling us, it not the washing of the body that makes baptism effectual, it is the answer of a good conscience toward God. Knowing you have obeyed him in what he has commanded us through the Spirit.

Now when the mob comes, and tries to convince you that all these passages do not mean what they say, be honest with the scriptures, and you will have the truth.

Why would people fight so hard against what is so clearly stated about repentance and baptism.
The reason, they are forced to fight against the simply stated word to hold to the doctrine of faith only. Instead of changing the doctrine to fit the bible, they change the bible to fit the doctrine. All this shall be revealed one day, including the Motives of men for their rejection of truth.

Heb 5:9, and being made perfect he became the author of the eternal salvation unto all that obey him.

Amen., fed, and, who cares IF you get lambasted and crucified, just so long as you are following HIM ! The Lord leads. Blessings, Christ bro

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Ultimately, it is YOUR relationship with Jesus that LASTS you, NOT your works, NOT your repentance, and, no, NOT even your faith, . Once SAVED, you must work out YOUR salvation with fear and trembling, just listening to Him, reading the Word, bearing FRUIT ! And, you will know, you will know, you will know.

I do not this thread to bring guilt but conviction to turn to Christ wholly. Not one way, not two ways, not EVEN three was, ALL WAYS !! Christ is your Saviour,

YOUR UTTER FOLLOWING HIS WILL FOR YOUR DISTINCT PLAN FROM YOUR DISTINCT life is what saves YOU. I cannot truly put that into words any more and won't because I am not led by Him. There is NO condemnation for those WHO WALK WITH CHRIST Jesus. Make sure the LATTER is with the FORMER . There is NO legalism in Christ, ONLY...

To become HIS is so easy, you must just do it. Surrender all.

I so love the beautiful song sung by Cee Cee Winans. ' I Surrender All.'

Surrender yourself, not just your repentance, not just your salvation, not just your faith, not just your spirit, ALL, ALL, ALL , from Him comes true life

feedm3 · Apr 23, 2012

GreenNnice said:

Amen., fed, and, who cares IF you get lambasted and crucified, just so long as you are following HIM ! The Lord leads. Blessings, Christ bro

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Ultimately, it is YOUR relationship with Jesus that LASTS you, NOT your works, NOT your repentance, and, no, NOT even your faith, . Once SAVED, you must work out YOUR salvation with fear and trembling, just listening to Him, reading the Word, bearing FRUIT ! And, you will know, you will know, you will know.

I do not this thread to bring guilt but conviction to turn to Christ wholly. Not one way, not two ways, not EVEN three was, ALL WAYS !! Christ is your Saviour,

YOUR UTTER FOLLOWING HIS WILL FOR YOUR DISTINCT PLAN FROM YOUR DISTINCT life is what saves YOU. I cannot truly put that into words any more and won't because I am not led by Him. There is NO condemnation for those WHO WALK WITH CHRIST Jesus. Make sure the LATTER is with the FORMER . There is NO legalism in Christ, ONLY...

To become HIS is so easy, you must just do it. Surrender all.

I so love the beautiful song sung by Cee Cee Winans. ' I Surrender All.'

Surrender yourself, not just your repentance, not just your salvation, not just your faith, not just your spirit, ALL, ALL, ALL , from Him comes true life

thank you for the encouragement

AnandaHya · Apr 23, 2012

love you Greenie

you always know how to make me smile

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jimmydiggs · Apr 23, 2012

This thread is starting to look a little works based.

- Baptism is not a requirement for Salvation. Baptism is an external evidence of an internal reality. (true baptism that is)
- Repentence does not produce Salvation(God is the author/producer), and is not a requirement for Salvation. True reptence results from regeneration.

Romans 8:7
Acts 5:31
2 Timothy 2:25

GotQuestions.org said:

titus211 · Apr 23, 2012

GreenNnice said:

1 Cor. 12:3 - "Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit ."

What does this statement mean? My eternity is in question if I don't show fruit-love, joy, peace, patience, meekness, benignity, etc- of the Holy Spirit working manifest gifts-gifts of encouragement, gifts of giving, gift of discerning spirits, gift of prophecy, gift of working miracles, gift of interpreting tongues, gift of healing, word of wisdom, word of knowledge, etc- given me in my life ?

Is my receiving of the Holy Spirit after having accepted Christ as my Saviour really that important ?

Doesn't the Holy Spirit just automatically enter into my temple, my body, after I become a christian, become born again ?

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Good questions, eh ?

Good statement, too.

And, the answer to all of them is this: How is the Lord leading your life now. Follow Him ! The Lord leads

Is God telling you to take that NEXT STEP of receiving His Holy Spirit into your way of doing life ?

I liked the word that Eternally_Grateful used...

It is not a requirement to receive the Holy Spirit. But, my friends, me speaking here, it is essential. It is, it is, well, it is not going to be me doing anything more than listing scripture, I don't want to judge so I will just go to this next part as, sorry, the Lord does lead me this way now, and, I can't put into right words of the importance of the Holy Spirit to your life on my own doing . He MUST speak through me

God has individual plans for all our lives (Jeremiah 29:11) and IF you die without having received the Holy Spirit into your being, that is OK, IF His conviction for taking your life to that next step was not asked of you by God. Scripture is clear that the Holy Spirit does not just:

A. Enter those that receive the word of God , believe, and, are SAVED (Christ died for your sins, John 3:16, that is used for bringing others to Christ)

B. The Holy Spirit does NOT just enter those baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

It is a process that God will INDIVIDUALLY show you as your relationship deepens with Him.

Acts 8: 14-17 - Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

So, it is so, this order:

A. Receive word of God and be SAVED.
B. Be baptized (in water, this is how I believe this baptism to be done) as an affirmation of your faith in Christ, and, do it in the name of Lord Jesus.
C. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit (laying on of hands, or, however the Spirit is received, there is no one way to receive the Holy Spirit, just do it His way

)

The Holy Spirit will then be not just by your side, but inside, leading you to change of all things done to hurt you, done by Him from the inside out. You are a new creation when you choose Christ as your Saviour, old things are passed away, and, in comes the 'new,' and the new is the Holy Spirit in YOU

No, the Lord would not let me stop with just that thread 'Holy Spirit is your BFF' thread . He had more in mind, and, this is the kind of thread I really have to talk to God about because....

there is NO condemnation in Christ Jesus, scripture states this Truth. Only God alone judges, scripture states this Truth, too . I am merely, hoping and praying, that I am a vessel He is using to show you the power of the Holy Spirit just waiting to become received into awesome revelation into YOUR life here on planet earth, to help (HS is our 'helper') you go where no one but you (maybe your mate) can frontier

The Spirit convicts you but The Enemy (Satan) condemns and judges you, and, hence, you become GUILTY feeling. Of course, 'guilt' drops our countenances and sin is the result, look no farther than the story of Cain and Abel for IF sin results from a fallen 'countenance. Sin crouches at your door IF you do wrong things that do not please God for your life. Painful Truth for we humans. But, God is good always remember.

The Holy Spirit is soooo important for your/our lives, Christ peeps. I pray you boldly take Him in. You believed in Him through reading of the Word and listening to His Spirit speak to you(John 3:16), now, receive Him in Spirit. We are to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth , and, yes, that is absolutely verbatim scripture . God bless you all, brothers and sisters

You did all that writing and still missed the mark! 2 Cor 7:10-11, or like Hebrews 6:4 where no place of repentance could be found or where Jesus said, REPENT or PERISH in Luke 13!!! You must be pure of heart and have the heart and mind of Christ and it is not a life long process, otherwise you will be left behind like those w/o enough oil in their lamps. Jesus is coming to reward us according to our works and when he returns you will remain as you always have been, filthy or holy, but no quick change scenario will occur for the wicked, save for sudden destruction.

feedm3 · Apr 23, 2012

jimmydiggs said:

So when did obeying God become a work? This is what I mean, why would anyone think that "keeping my commands" (Jn 14:15) is a work?

This whole "not saved by works" fluff, is just a cover to say we do not have to obey God.

NO works will ever save anyone, nor will it make us deserve Chirst coming and dieing for us. But if you are implying obediece is a work that is not essential to being saved, I would have to ask what book your reading?

Lets look at the passages you have brought up:

Acts 5:31: Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Good passage, but nowher does it imply we do not have to repent and be baptized as God commanded. In fact it shows the oppisite:

to give Israel "repentace" and "forgiveness of sins". "and" a conjuction that joins the two clauses, "repentance" and "forgiveness". Mrk 16:16, "he that believes AND is baptized shall be saved".

Romans 8:7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Great passage, and is not carnal thinking to beleive we do not have to obey God, or that obedience is a work rather than a duty: Luke 17:10

Also since in Rom 8 lets not forget the first verse which introduces the context:
Romans 8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Does this passage imply condemnation to those who are NOT in Christ?
It does, so how do we get INTO Christ?

Only two passages that explicity state how one is to enter INTO Christ:
Romans 6:3: Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Galatians 3:27: For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Is this a work? Is the only way into Christ a work? Or is it obedience that is required for salvation? Answer Heb 5:9.

II Timothy 2:15: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

My point is to take a command of God, and say it is not essential to salvation, yet it is clearly stated it is, and to say it is meritorous work is carnal. We are saved by faith (not belief) but THE faith. THE faith must be obeyed:

John 3:36: He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

So is John 3:36 works based?

jimmydiggs · Apr 23, 2012

feedm3 said:

Wrong. I believe in Lordship Salvation.

Obeying God doesn't cause Salvation, it is something done as a result.

feedm3 · Apr 23, 2012

jimmydiggs said:

You cant get the result of salvation without obeying first. If you can please tell me how?

And please explain John 3:36

jimmydiggs · Apr 23, 2012

feedm3 said:

Try this.

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

It's simple, what needs explaining? If you have genuine faith, you are saved. If you do not have genuine faith, you aren't saved.

What is the salvation process? Believe. Baptize. RECEIVE !

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