What is the salvation process? Believe. Baptize. RECEIVE !

[feedm3]

Discuss what? I said I did not want to discuss it anymore. And you were to proud to let it Go, you came back mocking and saying stuff which was not true. Was I not supposed to answer? Wow some people!

Lol your still here. Your still here and your the one who said you didnt have the patients or time to respond, yet you have the time to try and get the last word.


You win you got the last word before you leave, no wait this would be the last word, ooh im winnning lol

 

[Grandpa]

The more I read everyone's thoughts and theories the more I realize what an absolute miracle salvation is.

Even if I would have known the exact process to cause God to owe me Salvation I don't think I could have achieved it. I thank the Lord that He showed a silly brute beast such as myself mercy and forgiveness.

This was my salvation process.
1. Make a complete mess of my life.
2. Cry out to the Lord to take the pain and sorrow away.
3. The Lord took it from there...

Ask to be blessed. Ask to be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

You have not because you ask not.

 

[feedm3]

I John 5:14: And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

this puts a limit on what I can ask for. It must be according to "his will'.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The more I read everyone's thoughts and theories the more I realize what an absolute miracle salvation is.

Even if I would have known the exact process to cause God to owe me Salvation I don't think I could have achieved it. I thank the Lord that He showed a silly brute beast such as myself mercy and forgiveness.

This was my salvation process.
1. Make a complete mess of my life.
2. Cry out to the Lord to take the pain and sorrow away.
3. The Lord took it from there...

Ask to be blessed. Ask to be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

You have not because you ask not.

this is repentance, leading to faith in the promises of God, because you trust his word, leading to calling out on the name of the Lord, for with the mouth you confessed the name of the Lord, and with the heart you believed and were made righteous (made clean)

 

[feedm3]

Although EG has refused to answer the rest of my post, I will answer his partial response, so I am not accused of not answering him.

Dip is a derivative of the whole root baptizo.. Bapto is dip.. baptizo is a complete immersion or placing into. Revelation tells us when Jesus returns he will come with his robes dipped (bapto) in blood. If it was immersed in blood, the write would have said he came with it baptized in blood.

either way your right about the defenition. your error is always adding water to the word.

romans 6 says we were immersed into the death and burial of Christ, it says nothing about being immersed in water, your adding to the defenition and to the word.

enough said.

The water brings us to the blood - I Jn 5:8. any serious student of the Bible knows that baptism is in water, unless otherwise stated.
John was the baptizer because he went around immersing in water. Philip preached to the Eunch Christ, and what happened he said "here is water what hinders me from being baptized" showing in the preaching of Christ, the gospel, water baptism is a part of it. If not taught then not the gospel.

And here you go. You say I used a strawman, yet Paul in romans tells us exactly what we were baptized into. Baptize is the nound, death and burial is the subject of the noun. yet for some reason you want to add water.

Seriiouly? this argument makes no sense. Because baptism is the noun, and burial the subject it must be spirit? This is an attempt to confuse people, think about, what is the argument here? There isnt one. this proves nor refutes either side, it is a pointless statement.

I was baptized INTO CHRIST by the HS, not into water

How? Did an Apostle have to lay his hands on you like in Acts 8, and 19?

John? He told us, water was the subject of his baptism. He also told us Jesus would baptise with the spirit and fire.

what does that have to do with what Paul said about being baptized INTO death, burial and body of Christ? not to mention Christ himself.

Abousutly nothing. It has to do with John's baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit, Johns baptism was not valid forever, Read Acts 19, Paul rebaptized in water, those who were baptized under John's baptism. Has nothting to do with being baptized in the name of Christ.

For as many of us who have been baptized INTO CHRIST, (not water) etc

Your the one forcing water not me!

Really cuz it you inserting the parenthetical statements that are not in the passage.

if the interpretors would have interpreted the greek word, instead of transliterating it, we would not be having this conversation. Man took a foriegn word, and made a religious ceremony out of it. I was baptized into Christ by the HS. I later was baptized in water in abeyance of my saviors command.

If you would quit rejecting Acts 2:38 we would not be having this discussion, plain and simple.

John baptized only people he knew repented. He refused to baptise jerish religious leaders, and demanded proof they had repented proves this.

What is your point with this?

He did not baptist to give someone repentance, he baptized people who had already repented.

Really? Then why is it referred to the baptism UNTO repentance instead of the baptism of those who repented?
Let me guess unto (eis) means because of somewhere in the world, but we dont have a shred of evidence for that.

It was the ANOINTING of the HS. Of course it followed the fact that they were also the first men BAPTIZED by the hs. The HS can not enter a person until the person is first washed. Washing comes before anointing always

the Apostles were promised the HS in Jn 14, and 16, and then told to wait in Jerusalem till the promise come, Acts 1.
Then without the laying on of hands, the HS fell on them Acts 2, and they spoke with tongues.

In acts 8, the Samaritans believed and were baptized in the name of Christ, yet they did not receive the HS until Peter and John came and layed their hands on them.
Acts 8:14: Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Acts 8:15: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Acts 8:16: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts 8:17: Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

So were they not saved until Peter and John came and gave them the HS? Or did they receive him before this event? Since EG said he will not answer, this is for any who advocate the same as he does.

As with all new things, God used different signs to prove it was from God, he used it to jump start his church, It did nto always happen that way, If it was required, it would always have to be that way, the fact that God used different things to show these men were from God proves that it was not always required but signs.
Nope, we are just cleansed. All gifts come from the fact the Holy Spirit enters us, nothing to do with baptism of the spirit. The baptism just gives us spiritual cleansing.

the question was, why did Peter and John have to come and lay their hands on them before the received the HS? this is no way answers that question.
Where they saved before Peter and John came?

If the Samaritian believed and were baptized, but did not receive the HS until Peter and John came, when were they saved?

How come they needed the Apostles to receive the HS if the we can have the baptism of the HS today as the Apostles did in Acts 2? There was no laying on of hands in Acts 2, the spririt fell on them. Why not in Acts 8?

In Acts 10 the HS falls on the Gentiles, and Peter remembers the Lord "would baptize with the HS", this is not promised to us.

If not when did the HS fall on you EG? and why you but not the Samaritans? Philip had the HS he could perform miracles, yet he could not lay his hands on them, why?

Like I said EG said he is done, so anyone who would like to answer these are welcome.

 

[miktre]

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[Tommy4Christ]

I am reading allot of fluff here, allot of opinions but very little truth, you make it seem like its some magical thing that happens when you come into the kingdom still defiled, and just sit back and wait for God to do His part. You said the prayer, did nothing, like repent or perish like Jesus told you to do, then all is well!



Oh yes He will do His part, and you must do yours! Jesus didn't call us to confess and trust, He called us to repent and obey, and keep obeying to remain saved and on the narrow road, where few will find!

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not purposing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance!

 

[cedaffin]

What is the salvation process?
This is from the church seven years after the resurrection, 40AD:
Hear the Word
Believe it true – accept with all heart and soul. This would include “repent” since you accepted the “Word”. Your previous life you were living in the errors of ignorance. Now you know the “Truth”.
Fast – usually three days
Baptized – in flowing “living” waters, butt naked. There are two baptisms. The important one is by the Spirit (unseen). The other is by water, a show of faith.
Sealed with oil
Eucharist – “often” - was actually every day meal time usually lunch. Supper time as in “the Lords Supper.”
Absorb the “Word” daily. That feeds the Holy Spirit inside you. “least the devil snatch it from you”
Give praise to the Lord – In song and word.
Do good works – Help you fellow man/woman. Only “faith” saves BUT good works are a reflection of faith. Works also build up treasures for you in the new kingdom to come.
“Take good care of widows, orphans and the poor; teach the young the Word and sustain one another. Worship God, who created heaven and earth. Believe in Christ, love one another, be compassionate to all, and fulfill charity not only in word, but in act and deed.”

 

[resurrection33]

When we repent of our sin, our problems vanish.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am reading allot of fluff here, allot of opinions but very little truth, you make it seem like its some magical thing that happens when you come into the kingdom still defiled, and just sit back and wait for God to do His part. You said the prayer, did nothing, like repent or perish like Jesus told you to do, then all is well!

Who teaches this?

Oh yes He will do His part, and you must do yours! Jesus didn't call us to confess and trust, He called us to repent and obey, and keep obeying to remain saved and on the narrow road, where few will find!

oh ok, lets go back to law. no thanks, you can keep your works based Gospel. I will trust in the one God of love who paid the price for me..

2Pe 3:9

The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not purposing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance!

Thanks for showing why God allows evil in this world, and has not come back yet to destroy all evil, as he promised to do. because he is willing that no one be lost.

this is good news,, it means there is still hope for you.