Trying to sneak extreme right wing politics into the Christian faith

eternally-gratefull · May 13, 2012

I rest my case, your being anti the right.

your putting us all in the same light.

so what should I be? An AntiChristian, anti moral value left winger?

I would rather be niether, I would rather God rule us, he has the best government, which is neither democratic or socialistic. But unfortunately I am stuck with two choices. And I chose to follow the one which is best for my family. if that makes me evil in your eyes,, thats to bad

peterT · May 13, 2012

eternally-gratefull said:

I can say Amen to most of that.

But what would you have me do swear allegiance to a flag and maybe take up arms in defense of that country? I can’t imagine Jesus running around with a machine gun shooting sinners.

A system with Man’s ability to rule himself without God in his own righteousness it’s just not good enough for me.

I am not being anti the right, because it all wrong until Jesus comes.

Yes western society is safer than most, but it doesn’t make it right or of the lord.

My loyalty is for the Lord and my allegiance is to him not to any political system.

I think that a lot of so-called Christians have turned Jesus into just another worldly religion because of their political views, mixing faith and man’s ability to rule himself without God in his own righteousness and making a safe and cosy system.

I think too many Christians have too much faith in western society as being of God witch could be a deadly trap when the antichrist comes to power.

Be ye separate and touch not the unclean thing.

He that loves this world the love of the farther is not in him.

Love the one and hate the other.

This world is not are home.

I love the way you show from scripture the unfolding of the 7 years and the rise of the antichrist it’s the best I have ever seen, and I always love to read it but I hope you are not saying we should defend the western world.

Consumed · May 13, 2012

im sure theres a scripture that says not to get involved in world affairs

peterT · May 15, 2012

doulos said:

Yes.

doulos said:

I was using the right wing political party of France as an example of non-Christ like behaviour that said we will throw Muslims and foreigners out of the country if they don’t swear allegiance to the flag. The Australian example is not what I was talking about; they are not saying they will throw me out of the country if I don’t swear allegiance to the flag, well not yet anyway.

You don’t have to try and twist my words.

doulos said:

It sounds like you are of the world when you say “our law” now do you mean Gods law or the American law?

Can you imagine Jesus saying “our law” when it came to a Country of this world, NO.

Hebrews 13:14For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Heb11:16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Sharia law can hardly concur the country’s that they are in, in there part of the world, never mind concurring the west. It’s you fear that is demonising a hole race of people because of some extremists.

Are the precepts of Jesus and the bible not valid

Matt5:42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. 43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

Its not an attack on you it’s an attack on your doctrine which is perfectly lawful for me to do and is encouraged in the bible. After all it is a war and we do have a soldier's armor.

Eph6:11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Jeremiah 1 10See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.

doulos said:

How am I spreading the antichrist religious doctrine of Islam, it is you that preaches the extreme doctrine of what they are supposed to believe.

doulos said:

You might be done here but I’m not.

Wesley · May 15, 2012

I'm a right-of-center atheist who doesn't think faith and politics mix well. I also think that while there are some extreme Muslims who harbor an expansionist view of their place in the world, most of the Muslims I've known (and they've been many) have no desire to inflict their religion onto others. They certainly don't knock on my doors and stuff pamphlets under my windshield wipers.

Those that do try to enshrine their faith into our laws should certainly be shown the door. This is America, where we live under the rule of law and the Constitution, and I don't welcome any religious law of any stripe attempting to force me to live in any way other than that of my libertarian views: live and let live.

Anyone who attempts to change that, from any faith, will lose my support.

peterT · May 15, 2012

doulos said:

You’re so paranoid of the shaman law taking over your country of which the country is not even yours according to the Bible.

Do you think that shaman law could influence the Christian faith and get Christians to be disobedient to God. NO.

But not a word about Christianity being influenced by the God of more, or the God of greed, or the God of stuff, the god of the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, the god of covertness. Noting about stubbornness iniquity and rebellion, being the sin of witchcraft, which has influenced the Christian faith way more that some crappy religion could.

Most of Christianity is already defeated by their own lusts and their love for the American way, which is worldwide by the way.

Maybe you could strengthen that, then it wouldn’t matter what happened in the world, because they would be safe in the end.

doulos · May 15, 2012

peterT said:

Yawn, nothing but more of the same old rant based on a lack of understanding. It is not about the rich getting richer or the poor getting poorer but about standing against a religion that requires all of it's followers to deny God has a Son. If you want to be politically correct and allow an antichrist religion that believes God has no Son to continue to spread to more areas of the world that's your choice. But when you do so and attack those who stand against that religion you lend tactic support to that antichrist faith. If you are comfortable doing that and feel you are doing right in God's eyes, then by all means continue. As for me I will give no support to Islam or it's followers and will do all I can to prevent the spread of Islam. If that means being politically incorrect in your eyes to bad.
Mat 6:24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon
Does it serve God to allow Islam to spread or does it serve mammon? You decide and serve whom you will. Now if you'll excuse me I have more important things to do then argue with someone whose lack of understanding results in him helping a religion that requires all its followers to be antichrist spread.

1Christianwarrior316 · May 15, 2012

What has a medicine man got to do with it? Do you not know the difference between shaman and sharia?
Sharia-the body of canonical law based on the Koran that lays down certain duties and penalties for Muslims.
Shaman- 1. A priest of shamanism.
2. A medicine man of similar religion, esp among certain tribes of the North American Indians.

peterT said:

Pro 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

IMINJC · May 16, 2012

doulos

YOU SAID: THE antichrist is a spirit that inhabits all people who are antichrists.

1JOHN 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming

1JOHN 4:3
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist,

The antichrist is not a "spirit"...it is a person. No where in the Bible does it say that the antichrist is a spirit.

doulos · May 16, 2012

IMINJC said:

Friend if you are going to quote me at least be honest and quote what I said without adding words. There is no need to add the word the that you have underlined in 1John4:3. Allow me to quote the verse again so all can see your attempt at deception.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
As we can all see the verse says spirit of antichrist not the spirit of the antichrist as you falsely quoted. So there is a spirit of antichrist! May I ask why you posted this in this thread instead of the thread we were discussing this in? Is it because you did not want people to see what I originally said, so you could twist my words? My, my “oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive” (Sir Walter Scott)

For those who would like to see the original post to verify that our friend here is adding the word the (in front of antichrist underlined in his quote) you can read what I said and the verse I quoted in the thread it was taken from HERE.<link. It really is sad to see one stoop to such tactics, when they cling to their faulty doctrine over Scripture. Let’s keep him in our prayers!

peterT · May 16, 2012

doulos said:

And what are you doing to stop the spread of shaman law "nothing".

You are spreading the extreme doctrine of what they should believe according to you.

Many Muslims don’t have that extreme belief and may never have it, but you are teaching them that they should if they want to be faithful to their religion.

You quote the Quran and encouraging then to be extreme, and many don’t see it like that, so you are definitely not helping the situation.

peterT · May 16, 2012

1Christianwarrior316 said:

Sorry but that is such a lukewarm statement.

It says come out of her my people NOT come in.

Man’s politics is not the same as Gods politics, man’s politics is filthy and is getting worse not better.

2 Corinthians 6:17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

Mark7:21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

John2:24But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, 25And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

If you think that you can infiltrate man’s politics and its political system to help him with his moral compass you are gravely mistaken, his moral compass is getting worse not better for he has not the spirit of God. The best witness is to come out and be ye separate saith the Lord, now that would be love

1Christianwarrior316 · May 16, 2012

peterT said:

Oh really…Don’t you think it would show more love to go into the world and preach the Gospel of Christ unto those that are lost? Isn’t this being a true witness?
Do you not remember what our Lord said when the Pharisees said unto his disciples, “How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?” Mark 2:16
And when Jesus heard it he said unto them, “I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Mark 2:17

I disagree with your above statement!
We are growing amongst the tares and will not be gathered until the harvest.
If we are to follow Christ we would not hide our candlestick under a bed but should let it shine in a world that is full of darkness so those that are lost in darkness might be able to see and come into the light.
Now that is real love!!!

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior 316

doulos · May 17, 2012

peterT said:

Yawn are you ever going to add anything productive to the discussion or just more blatantly false mischaracterizations and misrepresentations?

Why are you changing the subject? Or is this just a case of you have no real working knowledge of the subject being discussed and as a result are confusing the terms shaman and sharia. Here allow me to provide you with the definition of shaman and sharia so you can see the difference. Then maybe next time you reply you will have something intelligent and productive to add to the discussion instead of something totally irrelevant.

sha·man
noun \ˈshä-mən, ˈshā- also shə-ˈmän\
plural shamansDefinition of SHAMAN
1: a priest or priestess who uses magic for the purpose of curing the sick, divining the hidden, and controlling events
2: one who resembles a shaman; especially : high priest 3
— sha·man·ic \shə-ˈma-nik, -ˈmä-\ adjective
Origin of SHAMAN ultimately from Evenki (Tungusic language of Siberia) šamān
First Known Use: 1698

sha·ria
noun, often capitalized \shə-ˈrē-ə\ Definition of SHARIA Islamic law based on the Koran
Variants of SHARIA
sha·ria also sha·ri'a or sha·ri·ah or sha·ri·'ah \shə-ˈrē-ə\

Why don’t you be honest here? Direct quotes from the quran are according to the quran, not according to me as you falsely represent. It is sad to see you resorting to such tactics, but not surprising.

Quoting the quran to Christians so that they can see what it says and muslims believe is not the same as teaching muslims to be violent, which you falsely claim I do. I am sorry if you are intellectually incapable of seeing the difference and feel the need to resort to blatant misrepresentation and fallacy, but never the less there is no excuse for your gross and false witness of what I am doing.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
Be blessed peterT I’ll keep you in my prayers!

peterT · May 17, 2012

1Christianwarrior316 said:

I don’t know that the word “medicine man” is good unless you think that strengthening the brethren is Hokes Pokes.

On one hand you say come in my people, but Jesus said come out my people.
And on one hand you say their cup of iniquity let’s try and keep less than full, when God says in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. You speak the opposite to God’s words.

I can’t help think you are barracking for the wrong team and you don’t even know it.

This verse comes to mind.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie

And this verse comes to mind too.

15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

I think you are having trouble with the basics of God’s word, never mind Bible prophecy.

peterT · May 17, 2012

1Christianwarrior316 said:

Preach the Gospel of Christ and letting your light shine to the world is not the same as mingling the seed of God with the seed of the wicked.

That’s half of the problem with Christianity today “compromising” thinking going in is a better witness than coming out.

The best witness is to the wicked is to obey god’s word for he knows best and the best way to be a witness.

How is it not love to obey god’s word and do as he says? Or do you like this verse best.

Rom3:8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

1Christianwarrior316 · May 17, 2012

peterT said:

You are the one that keeps confusing the term shaman (medicine man) with sharia (Islamic law), even though you have been shown the difference more then once. If you want to carry on an intelligent conversation or discussion maybe it is time you learned to use a dictionary and spellcheck so that people can comprehend and understand the message you are attempting to convey. Your actions and continued use of improper terms show you are not interested in learning or carrying on in an intelligent and productive discussion. Carrying on with your incomprehensible posts and attacking others only demonstrates your inabilities and shows that defending your doctrine is more important to you then finding the truth.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

IMINJC · May 18, 2012

DOULOS

YOU SAID: Friend if you are going to quote me at least be honest and quote what I said without adding words. There is no need to add the word the that you have underlined in 1John4:3. Allow me to quote the verse again so all can see your attempt at deception.

First of all friend I don't need to use deception, you do a pretty good job at deceiving yourself. Secondly I didn't add the "the" to the text... NIV took the liberty in doing that..I just agree with them doing so.

YOU ALSO SAID: "As we can all see the verse says spirit of antichrist"..... "So there is a spirit of antichrist!" "May I ask why you posted this in this thread instead of the thread we were discussing this in?"

I never said that there wasn't a "spirit of antichrist"..I said that the antichrist is not a spirit!....and there is a difference my friend. I brought this up on this thread because you said on this thread that the antichrist is a spirit...here is your quote.... "THE antichrist is a spirit that inhabits all people who are antichrists." The only deception being perpetrated here is you continually repeating this false statement.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Notice the writer does not say here that "You have heard that the spirit which is antichrist is to come"....

How does the fact that the verse says "Spirit of antichrist" mean that the "antichrist" is a spirit? Jesus is not a "spirit" and yet the spirit of Jesus is in the world.

You continue to falsely say that the antichrist is a spirit and the bible does not say that.

doulos · May 18, 2012

IMINJC;69553[/font said:

My apologies you are correct I forgot I did say that earlier in this thread (found it in post 25) in addition to the thread I linked to earlier. (It might help to prevent confusion if you put quotes in quote boxes).
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

In the KJV the word antichrist is not selectively capitalized, and there was no upper/lower case in the original Greek. Clearly, from the verses above, antichrist is a SPIRIT, or THE spirit, that lives in the heart of anybody that denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, or denies that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh, or denies that Jesus is the Christ (anointed one).

You can nit pic all you want in an effort to attack my view on antichrists but the reality is there are many antichrists. Not a single verse in Scripture says “the Antichrist” is an end time world leader or there is a singular antichrist yet to come that rules the world. Scripture does not say that, but mans doctrine does. If you want to believe man’s doctrines over Scripture go for it, your choice. As I have shown you many times John told us exactly who the antichrist they heard shall come was when he said “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” If you don’t want to believe John, I surely can’t expect you to believe me nit pic away.

peterT · May 18, 2012

1Christianwarrior316 said:

Is that you piking on my spelling and my lack of education, shame on you for that attack is of the flesh.

You do err not knowing the scriptures or the power of God, have you not read.

Acts4:13Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.

Attaching my lack of education is not the battle of the spirit which Jesus calls us to do.

And as I have said before you need to get the milk right before you go on to the meat.

It is not a sin to attack people’s doctrine it’s actually a precept

As God said to Jeremiah in Chapter 1

10See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.

And

2 Timothy 4:2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

And after all we are at war in the spirit.

2 Corinthians 10:4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds.

Agene you are still struggling with the milk, and you want me to believe you know the meat.

Trying to sneak extreme right wing politics into the Christian faith

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