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Many churches recognize same-sex marriage. Your denomination doesnt have to. No one is making you recognize it. Most same-sex couples are not looking for religious recognition. They are looking for LEGAL recognition. There is separation of church and state. If you want the state to stay out of your church, keep your church out of the state. Or expect your church to start paying taxes.
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i dunno whats going on in here but pancakes are delicious
also to Tsalagi
Gods laws > peoples laws, BUT WE SHOULD OBEY BOTH LAWS because it will do us well until the human laws start going against the word cause then you know something funny's going on there
just cause we are free to do whatever pursue self interests means squat because one its this world and we should be more focused on Christ, sure we are "free" in the world, but "not everything is beneficial" then the we become slaves to sin, its all traps man gotta duck and cover because it starts taking out of the word and our spirit so lets all buckle down and just follow Jesus.
also to Tsalagi
Gods laws > peoples laws, BUT WE SHOULD OBEY BOTH LAWS because it will do us well until the human laws start going against the word cause then you know something funny's going on there
just cause we are free to do whatever pursue self interests means squat because one its this world and we should be more focused on Christ, sure we are "free" in the world, but "not everything is beneficial" then the we become slaves to sin, its all traps man gotta duck and cover because it starts taking out of the word and our spirit so lets all buckle down and just follow Jesus.
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Criminals do what they do for beneficial reasons (example: money). Beneficial reasons are not reasons to do anything... that's the world's logic... as a Christian I do what God tells me to do because it is God who tells me and God is good.
God clearly states it's an abomination for same sex sexual acts... we as citizens have a right to define our culture by our voice, with that right I will choose to define my culture with God's word and God word is clearly against homosexual acts so that sin shouldnt be protect by marriage. It's like the government give murders the thumbs up... murderers... go ahead murder it's ok. In this case it's... homosexuals... go ahead have same sex, sex.... nope I don't think so, not should it be accepted for them to marry.
It's clearom twin studies, that homosexuality is choice. Twins that are 100% genetically the same... born... one is gay and the other is not.
That settles it, but theres even more.
Another thing to note... is tthat gay people have turned straight... showing that peoplpe can choose to turn straight. You can talk to someone until your blue in the face to change thier hair color, eye color... skin color but it wont change because thats genetic...and supposably being gay is genetic... then why can people be talked to change from gay to straight??? Reasonable answer is because if it was genetic.. then it would be impossible to change ... but since it changed by words... by christian pyschologists, I think God lead then truly it is not genetic.
Go to God's word ok
God clearly states it's an abomination for same sex sexual acts... we as citizens have a right to define our culture by our voice, with that right I will choose to define my culture with God's word and God word is clearly against homosexual acts so that sin shouldnt be protect by marriage. It's like the government give murders the thumbs up... murderers... go ahead murder it's ok. In this case it's... homosexuals... go ahead have same sex, sex.... nope I don't think so, not should it be accepted for them to marry.
It's clearom twin studies, that homosexuality is choice. Twins that are 100% genetically the same... born... one is gay and the other is not.
That settles it, but theres even more.
Another thing to note... is tthat gay people have turned straight... showing that peoplpe can choose to turn straight. You can talk to someone until your blue in the face to change thier hair color, eye color... skin color but it wont change because thats genetic...and supposably being gay is genetic... then why can people be talked to change from gay to straight??? Reasonable answer is because if it was genetic.. then it would be impossible to change ... but since it changed by words... by christian pyschologists, I think God lead then truly it is not genetic.
Go to God's word ok
Many churches recognize same sex marriage and even perform them. It doesn't make it right in God's eyes. It's a sad day when even a church will not stand for God's truth amid a corrupt society. Aren't Christians supposed to be salt and light in this dark and corrupt world?
That being said, marriage is a covenant before God. Don't really understand why someone who flouts God's laws would want to have a marriage. Then again you can state that there is a difference between state marriages and religious marriages if you truly want to separate church and state.
Then if you go into the constitution, you will find that no-where does it say separation of church and state. Just that government shall make no law against the establishment or exercise of a religion
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Nothing about a separation of Church and State, sorry. This concept was coined by a letter from Jefferson and has nothing to do with this clause.
Either way, Churches need to start standing for God's Truth rather than man's laws. Nowhere did Jesus say that following Him would be easy since the world is contrary to Jesus. They will think that what we believe is silly or stupid and lump us in that way. In fact they may attack us for believing in God. That's why we have to endure and stand for His Truth. We cannot compromise or we risk being lukewarm... and summarily vomited out of the mouth of Jesus in the end.
That being said, marriage is a covenant before God. Don't really understand why someone who flouts God's laws would want to have a marriage. Then again you can state that there is a difference between state marriages and religious marriages if you truly want to separate church and state.
Then if you go into the constitution, you will find that no-where does it say separation of church and state. Just that government shall make no law against the establishment or exercise of a religion
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Nothing about a separation of Church and State, sorry. This concept was coined by a letter from Jefferson and has nothing to do with this clause.
Either way, Churches need to start standing for God's Truth rather than man's laws. Nowhere did Jesus say that following Him would be easy since the world is contrary to Jesus. They will think that what we believe is silly or stupid and lump us in that way. In fact they may attack us for believing in God. That's why we have to endure and stand for His Truth. We cannot compromise or we risk being lukewarm... and summarily vomited out of the mouth of Jesus in the end.
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Very well said Zork! I totally agree with what you are saying.
In fact, all people sin and the one sin isn't worse or better than the other one. I get so irrated when I see people, that call themselves christians that act like marriage is something everyone individually can have an opinon about, when we can not.
God created marriage and God created sex inside of a marriage between a man and a woman, so He is the only One to define what marriage is.
Not supporting same-sex-marriage is not about judging and putting oneself in a higher position. It's saying telling the Truth and standing up for God in this dark world. And yes, of course we all sin and no one has the right to point the finger at anyone, but we gotta say something when brothers and sisters of ours fall into trap of the devil.
And my question is, why would someone that chooses such an extravagant lifestyle, be so traditional wanting to get married? That's how you can see how the devil takes everything that God created to twists it and make it look acceptable.
Just listen to God, guys. He is willing to tell you the truth. This is not about you and what you think. It's about the Truth you can find in the Word of God.
In fact, all people sin and the one sin isn't worse or better than the other one. I get so irrated when I see people, that call themselves christians that act like marriage is something everyone individually can have an opinon about, when we can not.
God created marriage and God created sex inside of a marriage between a man and a woman, so He is the only One to define what marriage is.
Not supporting same-sex-marriage is not about judging and putting oneself in a higher position. It's saying telling the Truth and standing up for God in this dark world. And yes, of course we all sin and no one has the right to point the finger at anyone, but we gotta say something when brothers and sisters of ours fall into trap of the devil.
And my question is, why would someone that chooses such an extravagant lifestyle, be so traditional wanting to get married? That's how you can see how the devil takes everything that God created to twists it and make it look acceptable.
Just listen to God, guys. He is willing to tell you the truth. This is not about you and what you think. It's about the Truth you can find in the Word of God.
You are comparing two people giving an abandoned child a loving home and family... to criminal acts. Yeah, those two things are so obviously alike seeing as one benefits the entire community and society for generations to come and the other breaks the law, harms others, and is of no benefit to society whatsoever.
I don't really care if there is a genetic reason for homosexuality or not. There are cases of siblings being adopted at birth and growing up in completely different lifestyles and homes and cultures and both are homosexual or transgender. Gay people do not turn straight any more than straight people turn gay. If being gay were a choice, everyone would choose to be straight. Who would choose to be gay when so many people would hate you, want you to die, and deny you equal rights? It profits you nothing to be gay. So, I'm inclined to believe that no one would choose it.
I don't really care if there is a genetic reason for homosexuality or not. There are cases of siblings being adopted at birth and growing up in completely different lifestyles and homes and cultures and both are homosexual or transgender. Gay people do not turn straight any more than straight people turn gay. If being gay were a choice, everyone would choose to be straight. Who would choose to be gay when so many people would hate you, want you to die, and deny you equal rights? It profits you nothing to be gay. So, I'm inclined to believe that no one would choose it.
just on the twin bit, I being a twin often look into a lot of twin stuff. In studies it seems that when one identical twin is not heterosexual the other is also not around 50% of the time, if they were fraternal twins, they were both not heterosexual around 22% of the time.
guess my twin and I are apart of the 22% lol.
(a few studies have different numbers, most showing identical twins are more likely than fraternal twins to to both be gay, or some other orientation)
p.s Dr. Robert Spitzer, the man who did the now refuted study in 2001 saying "highly motivated" homosexuals could change their orientation apologized to the gay community for making false claims.
Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach against a people (Prov 14:34)
There is a different spiritual realm of darkness that a nation is exposed to when an ungodly declaration is made on a national level. It becomes a reproach on a national level and while the individual maybe protected then environment itself becomes more and more corrupted.
And because all scripture is written for our learning, we want to remember Sodom and Gomorrah, which God destroyed because of that same lifestyle. Not to mention God clearly states he is against homosexuality.
Lets walk in agreement with God's Word.
There is a different spiritual realm of darkness that a nation is exposed to when an ungodly declaration is made on a national level. It becomes a reproach on a national level and while the individual maybe protected then environment itself becomes more and more corrupted.
And because all scripture is written for our learning, we want to remember Sodom and Gomorrah, which God destroyed because of that same lifestyle. Not to mention God clearly states he is against homosexuality.
Lets walk in agreement with God's Word.
Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
If you acknowledge part of the Old Testament, you must acknowledge ALL of it. So, say goodbye to pork and shellfish because eating bacon and lobster is just as much of an abomination as homosexual acts.
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
If you acknowledge part of the Old Testament, you must acknowledge ALL of it. So, say goodbye to pork and shellfish because eating bacon and lobster is just as much of an abomination as homosexual acts.
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