The Catholic church is not christian

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wanting2believe

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Oh God Lord give me the patience..oh heaven help us, we go kneel before the altar..cuz we are worshiping the altar.. hmm yep frankleespeaking yep you are a troll your not 49.. read my bible.. I read my bible.. all the time.. ok

Bowing can be used as a posture in worship, not all bowing is worshiping. A person can kneel before a king without worshiping him as a god. In the same way, a Catholic who may kneel in front of a statue while praying isn’t worshiping the statue or even praying to it, any more than any other Christian who kneels with a Bible in his hands when praying is worshipping the Bible or praying to it.
 
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wanting2believe

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frankleespeaking.. you know the act your doing by just simply making fun of others church (a church established by Christ and tho we are not perfect just like you we try).. the act of not loving my brother.. the act of condemning is the act your committing.. and sir you are not God.. your boasting attitude is not of God.. You have not athority to try to bring others down.. Your just spitting venom like a serpent.. so as I ask of you to please before you go pointing fingers that you be clean yourself.. cuz if your going to throw a rock at me sir then I shall receive it but only if you are clean of sin. I dont write this to lift me up but to be that spine in your conscious that you are condemning and judging others when you dont have that right.. read the bible? Yes I read the bible brother.
 
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Baggins

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NarrowRoadDisciple said:
If the Catholic Church does things that are against what God's Word says... and you walk away from it, why be in the Catholic Church at all? If you know it's a false teaching, why associate with it? You can't just say parts of it are wrong. If any part of it doesn't line up with God's Word then have nothing to do with it.
This doesn't only apply to the Catholic Church, but to any denomination that has doctrine that does not line up with God's word.
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Because I grew up in a Catholic family. And my parents are very strict about it. And I know there are a whole lot more people who are in the same place as I am. And it's way over complicated. But I don't walk away from them, I pray very eagerly, and ask God to give me the chance to tell them the truth before the end of time. God knows my heart, and not a religion will put a wall between us. He knows what I struggle with is that. He knows what my heart is yearning for. I found a church online, and I listen to the pastor's sermon instead of going to our church on Sundays but I'm still Catholic. Never let religion put a label on you. Sure we walk away from things that are wicked, but aren't we supposed to preach the Good News to those people instead of condemning them?
God bless you.

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Baggins

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dscherck said:
But there's NOTHING the Catholic Church does that goes against the Word of God. There may be things we do that contradict people's personal interpretations of God's Word, but that's not the same as contradicting God's Word itself.
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Friend,
I know this is a lot to take in. Trust me, I know. So, I'm going to let you read a verse and tell me something about it. It's in the book of Jeremiah.

I will pronounce my judgments on my people
because of their wickedness in forsaking me,
in burning incense to other gods
and in worshiping what their hands have made.
~Jeremiah 1:16

God Bless you.

Baggins
 
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loveme1

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SantoSubito said:
Of course that still leaves the problem of if you claim the Holy Spirit taught you one thing and someone else claims the Holy Spirit taught them something else; then who is right?
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I trust the Holy Spirit because Yahvah God is right.

Yahvah God be my judge.

I testify by my own living witness of before and after accepting Yahshua the Messiah as my Saviour.

I have no authority to say "i'm right" Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah are the truth, all i ever say is read the Bible front to back Old and New and seek the truth where it is found.

I only relay what I received to share with others.
 
dscherck

dscherck

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Baggins said:
Friend,
I know this is a lot to take in. Trust me, I know. So, I'm going to let you read a verse and tell me something about it. It's in the book of Jeremiah.

I will pronounce my judgments on my people
because of their wickedness in forsaking me,
in burning incense to other gods
and in worshiping what their hands have made.
~Jeremiah 1:16

God Bless you.

Baggins
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I'm just confused over what relevance it has. We Catholics don't worship things, nor do we offer incense to other Gods. We worship the one true God, Creator of Heaven and Earth.

You are aware that there is no prohibition on the use of images in worship of the One True God right? After all, we see several times in the Old Testament how God commanded the manufacture and use of images in the Temple, and in the creation of the Ark of the Covenant as well. It's when one worships the image instead of God that it becomes idolatry, but Catholics do not do that.
 
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Baggins

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dscherck said:
I'm just confused over what relevance it has. We Catholics don't worship things, nor do we offer incense to other Gods. We worship the one true God, Creator of Heaven and Earth.

You are aware that there is no prohibition on the use of images in worship of the One True God right? After all, we see several times in the Old Testament how God commanded the manufacture and use of images in the Temple, and in the creation of the Ark of the Covenant as well. It's when one worships the image instead of God that it becomes idolatry, but Catholics do not do that.
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I'm sorry but I'd think twice about that, because last time I checked, people were kissing statues, people were dancing holding the images, and singing for the images... I think that's worshiping it. I'm not attacking you in any way, though I may be but that is not my intention. My point is that why do we need images? When Jesus said clearly in the gospel of John, "Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
God Bless you.

Baggins
 
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SantoSubito

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Baggins said:
I'm sorry but I'd think twice about that, because last time I checked, people were kissing statues, people were dancing holding the images, and singing for the images... I think that's worshiping it. I'm not attacking you in any way, though I may be but that is not my intention. My point is that why do we need images? When Jesus said clearly in the gospel of John, "Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
God Bless you.

Baggins
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The Veneration of images is also acceptable, you can look to the decrees of the Second Council of Nicaea during the Iconoclast controversy for that.

Your also applying that verse in John to a situation it was never meant to be applied to. It's specifically talking about being able to see Christ in the flesh and put your fingers into his wounds.
 
dscherck

dscherck

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Baggins said:
I'm sorry but I'd think twice about that, because last time I checked, people were kissing statues, people were dancing holding the images, and singing for the images... I think that's worshiping it. I'm not attacking you in any way, though I may be but that is not my intention. My point is that why do we need images? When Jesus said clearly in the gospel of John, "Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
God Bless you.

Baggins
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Well friend, let me reassure you. We're not worshipping images. We use images in worship, but we worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The same God who sent His Son Jesus, who died on the cross and was raised to life.

As far as why we need images? Why not? God commanded their use in the temple, and even sent us an icon of Himself (Jesus). Because we know what God looks like, we can make images of Him.
 
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Baggins

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Okay enough with this. I don't mean to raise havoc at all. You're just defending what you believe in as I am. As the song goes, "The time has come to stand for what we believe in." But this is what I believe in, and I'm not forcing you to believe in it too. I am just telling you, somehow I feel like I have to. And I was just trying to say that religion won't save you but apparently it has gone way over my head. My faith is on the Lord, my faith is grounded on Him. As I said, I will never be in a place to judge who's Christian or not. And religion won't matter at all. Anyone can get saved, anyone who is true to himself, true to others and most of all true to God. Make sure you are. :)
God Bless you.

Baggins
 
Dude653

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ok...we already have 157 billion threads on this subject....but i do agree that catholic doctrine is heresy and apostacy
 
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Rheod

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There is a passgae in the Bible Tonydisciple where Jesus talks about God finding favour with those who never believed in him but still lived good lives. Why are you so judgemental.
 
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rauleetoe

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NarrowRoadDisciple said:
Oh Tonydisciple.. there are so many threads about this in the other forums hahaha
One thing we have to understand is that there is ONE doctrine that we follow, not the traditions and added doctrine of man. Not any denomination has it 100%, but we MUST continue on in the Holy Spirit. That being said, if any denomination preaches something contrary to the Word of God, walk away from it. The Holy Spirit will not contradict Himself and as such, you should be able to enter ANY church around the world and the message should be exactly the same. Man's doctrine comes in and twists and mixes it up.

Sectarianism Is Sin

10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.


Now this doesn't apply to just the Catholic religion, but to all denominations and any "group" that "calls" itself "Christian."
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Good stuff..sadly many get caught up in the Us vs. them mentality and we christians have a bad reputation for devouring our own. I agree, there are some flaws in catholicism..there are some flaws in some protestant movements as well! If we would focus on God's word and rightly divide it, and read it each and every day we will be less prone to error..
at the end of the day, 1 corinthians 13 should be the basis of all we do. If you have good doctrine but have not love, you have nothing..if you belong to the right 'church' but have not love, you still got nothing..if you have morals and live a holy life, but do not love..what good is it to you? If you teach great things and can preach the best sermon ever, but it's not founded on love..then you are wasting your time/words..
Love is patient..love is kind..its not self seeking, does not boast..always thinks the best of others..Love wins!
Love triumphs..
That's what i pray i focus on..then, maybe i got a chance at getting this walk with God thing right.
 
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Jordache

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I hate to say it, but some Christians aren't Christians��
 
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Shyness

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Tonydisciple said:
if you are in the catholic church, get out!
it is unbiblical and is based on mans traditions and superstitions. it is purely straight from hell
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Please stop condemning. This type of condemnation has gone on for ages on this site and this horse has been whipped too many times. Please live and let live. Plus why do you think you're better than others? I suggest you get off your high horse and let others believe as they will. This is beating a dead horse.
 
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Shyness

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And plus there has been way too many threads with nothing but bigotry about "my way is right and yours is wrong" and this needs to stop. People have the right to their own beliefs. If you do not agree with another person's beliefs especially Catholicism, that is fine but please respect the rights of others to hold their own beliefs. This has gone on long enough and gas gotten old long ages ago. Please stop the hatred. Lets learn to live and let live.
 
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spirit

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Its really sad to judge a particular form of religion. Whether you are a muslim, Christian , Catholic or whatever, the main concern we should have in our faith is about making peace between you and God. How you want to preach it is your personal decision. My family and I have been baptised a few years ago when we were adults and have never regretted it , because at the end of the day there is only 1 God anyway. Of course some religions think there are a few in different forms depending on the culture , but it is a choice. Do whatever is right for you and all is good for your inner soul to find peace with ourselves. I hope you find what you are looking for !?
 
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DownUnder

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We were not meant to have division, nor 'factions'. NO denomination is 100% correct!

Jesus KNOWS His own, God knows our hearts. NONE of us can condemn another, only Christ can decide. To condemn another is to condemn ourselves. The 'body of believers under Christ' is the Church, and the Church is NOT 'religion' but FAITH in Christ! Religion is of 'man', faith is of God.
 
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DIYhappiness

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I'm catholic, and I studied alot about catholicism and the bible and I came to the conclusion that no catholic doctrine goes against the word of God. Sure, you can find sinners and people who are not perfect in the catholic church and yes, some of them idolize the vigrin Mary and stuff. But not EVERY catholic is like that, and lets admit it, we can find people like that in every denomination.
By the way, when did protestantism become the truth? i mean, the catholic church is the first denomination ever. Jesus basically created it. Then someone decided to protest and change stuff, okay, but why would catholicism be wrong all of a sudden?
Just my point of view haha
 
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Agravesx

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Yes, much of what the catholic church believes does contradicts scripture, but keep in mind, that just because the church is bad, not all of the catholic followers are. I know of some very good christian people who are catholic, and love Jesus dearly, and have a great relationship with him.
 
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