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I mean that if you insist on a literal reading of Genesis, then you worship a god who lies in his creation.
Your choices are as follows:
1) The world was created in six 24-hour days, and then tricked-out to make it appear that it was older, making said creator a sneak and a trickster.
OR
2) The world was created exactly as it appears to have been created, and God wrote Genesis as a beautiful parable describing the events poetically, not intending them to be taken literally.
If you would rather worship a trickster god (and yes, "Satan" would be one possible name for such a deity, if it exists), then I will support your right to do so. I believe in freedom of religion, and that means even if someone is worshiping what I perceive to be a false god, they have the right to do that.
Just know that a god who would fake things, make it look like the world is older than it really is, lie about its age .... such a god is not the Father of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Jesus told us about a God of Truth and Love. Jesus spoke in parables, so there is no reason not to think God would not also, from time to time, speak in parables. That is, if you believe that Jesus is God.
But then, you've already admitted that your god is not the same as Jesus, so who knows.
Your choices are as follows:
1) The world was created in six 24-hour days, and then tricked-out to make it appear that it was older, making said creator a sneak and a trickster.
OR
2) The world was created exactly as it appears to have been created, and God wrote Genesis as a beautiful parable describing the events poetically, not intending them to be taken literally.
If you would rather worship a trickster god (and yes, "Satan" would be one possible name for such a deity, if it exists), then I will support your right to do so. I believe in freedom of religion, and that means even if someone is worshiping what I perceive to be a false god, they have the right to do that.
Just know that a god who would fake things, make it look like the world is older than it really is, lie about its age .... such a god is not the Father of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Jesus told us about a God of Truth and Love. Jesus spoke in parables, so there is no reason not to think God would not also, from time to time, speak in parables. That is, if you believe that Jesus is God.
But then, you've already admitted that your god is not the same as Jesus, so who knows.
Knowing how old the earth is or is it not is not the ultimate question for Salvation.....
What is the issue, do you know that the question used by some is to discredit the Bible?
I do not care how old the earth is.
My Yahvah God created it and me, he is Great and knows all things, I trust in him always and forever...
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There is a third choice / option...
Go watch this Creation Seminar (all of it). Then come back and tell us you have not changed your mind about the Creation.
"I triple-dog dare ya..."
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Go watch this Creation Seminar (all of it). Then come back and tell us you have not changed your mind about the Creation.
"I triple-dog dare ya..."
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There is a third choice / option...
Go watch this Creation Seminar (all of it). Then come back and tell us you have not changed your mind about the Creation.
"I triple-dog dare ya..."
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Go watch this Creation Seminar (all of it). Then come back and tell us you have not changed your mind about the Creation.
"I triple-dog dare ya..."
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Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The 7th day in this verse is referring to a 24 hour period, is is referring to the 7th day of the week, so therefore the 6 days referred to in this text is also referring to 24 hour days.
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The 7th day in this verse is referring to a 24 hour period, is is referring to the 7th day of the week, so therefore the 6 days referred to in this text is also referring to 24 hour days.
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There is a third choice / option...
Go watch this Creation Seminar (all of it). Then come back and tell us you have not changed your mind about the Creation.
"I triple-dog dare ya..."
.
Go watch this Creation Seminar (all of it). Then come back and tell us you have not changed your mind about the Creation.
"I triple-dog dare ya..."
.
GrungeDiva, you keep insisting that if the earth is young, then God is being deceptive. This can't be the case, because some people use the Bible to interpret the earth as being 6,000 years old. Either way, you could claim that God is deceptive, but is actually the case is that humans are misinterpreting the evidence. Someone must be, whether it is the people who say that the earth is only a few thousand years old, or those who think that it is billions of years old. I think that your 'God is lying if the earth is young' argument doesn't hold water for anyone; I've never found a book or person that used that sort of argument.
When Jesus healed the blind man, was he being deceptive then, giving it the appearance as though a modern doctor had healed the man using technology thousands of years ahead of time? When Jesus fed thousands of people, was he being deceptive by making it appear as though someone had given him thousands of loaves of bread and fish? God does things that are otherwise impossible. If God were to make a granite rock out of nothing right now, scientists would think that it was billions of years old. When God created the universe out of nothing, do you think that he deceived us into thinking that matter springs out of nothing, as some quantum physicists think, or that an entire universe could just come from nothing? Your 'God is lying is the universe is 6000 years old' argument makes no sense.
When Jesus healed the blind man, was he being deceptive then, giving it the appearance as though a modern doctor had healed the man using technology thousands of years ahead of time? When Jesus fed thousands of people, was he being deceptive by making it appear as though someone had given him thousands of loaves of bread and fish? God does things that are otherwise impossible. If God were to make a granite rock out of nothing right now, scientists would think that it was billions of years old. When God created the universe out of nothing, do you think that he deceived us into thinking that matter springs out of nothing, as some quantum physicists think, or that an entire universe could just come from nothing? Your 'God is lying is the universe is 6000 years old' argument makes no sense.
I think that the usual claim of atheists is that Genesis 1 and 2 contradict each other. However, this is generally considered to be one of the easiest alleged contradictions to resolve -- plenty of good literature about this exists in apologetic books and the Internet. Genesis 1 is about the creation of the universe, and 2 is specific to Earth and the Garden of Eden.
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God hasn't lied to anyone. You have to remember that man is interpreting the world around him through falling sinful eyes. The sinful hidden motives in mans heart will absolutely have an influence on the way man perceives and interprets everything. So if man comes to the wrong conclusion because he relied on his own flawed understanding and perception instead of the word of God, don't blame God for that.
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You've never heard this argument, so it must not be a good one. Hmm. That's funny.
I've get criticized by literalists for relying on other books or people for interpretations and understandings of Scripture, and now when I don't rely on any other book or person -- when I rely only on the words God gives me -- I get criticized. That's rich, in an ironic sort of way.
Now that's just silly. There's a difference between being "healed" and being "cured." If Jesus had performed advanced neuro-surgery on the blind man, then we can talk about deception and cognitive dissonance. It was a healing, clearly a miracle, and clearly what was intended.
Again, I'm just going by the words I see. Genesis 1 is clearly intended to be taken figuratively. That is how it has always been understood. That is how God wrote it. That is how believers have always read it.
And like I said, if God had wanted to create the world in six 24-hour days, I'm sure he could have. If he wanted to create the world in six seconds, he could. But God did not choose to do that. God chose to create the world by using the process of evolution. That was his choice, and I don't see why you or anyone else should criticize God for making that choice.
Ummm, no. If God were to create a granite rock out of nothing right now, scientists would say that it was a new rock. It would have all the appearance of something that had come into being right now, exactly as God created it. That is the way it works.
He did not deceive me into thinking that. He PROVED it to me by creating the universe. If you feel deceived into believing that God created life out of nothing, that is your problem. It is not a problem for me, and it is not a problem for any physicist I have ever met.
Your lack of ability to understand is not my problem, either. If you can't understand that 2+2=4, that doesn't make it 5, does it?
I've get criticized by literalists for relying on other books or people for interpretations and understandings of Scripture, and now when I don't rely on any other book or person -- when I rely only on the words God gives me -- I get criticized. That's rich, in an ironic sort of way.
Now that's just silly. There's a difference between being "healed" and being "cured." If Jesus had performed advanced neuro-surgery on the blind man, then we can talk about deception and cognitive dissonance. It was a healing, clearly a miracle, and clearly what was intended.
Again, I'm just going by the words I see. Genesis 1 is clearly intended to be taken figuratively. That is how it has always been understood. That is how God wrote it. That is how believers have always read it.
And like I said, if God had wanted to create the world in six 24-hour days, I'm sure he could have. If he wanted to create the world in six seconds, he could. But God did not choose to do that. God chose to create the world by using the process of evolution. That was his choice, and I don't see why you or anyone else should criticize God for making that choice.
Ummm, no. If God were to create a granite rock out of nothing right now, scientists would say that it was a new rock. It would have all the appearance of something that had come into being right now, exactly as God created it. That is the way it works.
He did not deceive me into thinking that. He PROVED it to me by creating the universe. If you feel deceived into believing that God created life out of nothing, that is your problem. It is not a problem for me, and it is not a problem for any physicist I have ever met.
Your lack of ability to understand is not my problem, either. If you can't understand that 2+2=4, that doesn't make it 5, does it?