666 Mark of Beast A non-left behind/dispensational/Hal Lindsey perspective

[Ariel82]

I think people who have this understanding have been deceived and are willing to ignore scripture in favor of man made theology.

Your understanding will mask the beast's intentions, you will not know he is the beast because you believe that already happened....

flawed logic... whether you believe the 1000 years is past present or future...

this is still told to happen, AFTER the 1000 years...

Revelation 20
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city.

even people who believe that the 1000 years was past or is present believe that the above verses is happening now or in the future....

it is those waiting for the other signs that have already been fulfilled that will not look for the deception Satan is now inflicting upon the world because its not in the play book. just like the seven thunders are not written....

 

[loveme1]

I will continue to listen to the Holy Spirit.

You must remember the verses that come before verse 7.

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

My foundation is Almighty Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

 

[Ariel82]

yes those verses can be explained as well but you are not willing to listen so I will not waste my time.

 

[loveme1]

yes those verses can be explained as well but you are not willing to listen so I will not waste my time.

Okay, thank you.

 

[Ariel82]

***PLEASE WATCH ALL OF IT BEFORE KNEE JERK REACTING...*******
Here is a different perspective on 666 and the mark of the beast. Different than what most hear coming out of most American 'prophetic' teaching.

This is an alternative to the left-behind/tim lahaye/Scofield/Dispensational understanding.

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Gary DeMar - What is the "Mark of the Beast"? - YouTube

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Gary DeMar - Why is 666 the "Number of the Beast"? - YouTube

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The Beast of Revelation (11 of 25) The Number of the Beast? - YouTube

I may post some more later.

interesting videos....I wonder if people actually listened to them all before posting a knee jerk reaction?

 

[1still_waters]

interesting videos....I wonder if people actually listened to them all before posting a knee jerk reaction?

Well technically I put my knee jerk comment in regards to my first three videos. I do think if folks invested the time in to the second set, they may think twice before reacting so strongly.

I know when I used to believe the dispensational stuff, a few folks tried providing an alternative theory to me and I just ignored it cuz it looked so foreign after ONE minute of looking at it.

I'd suggest people invest more time in to understanding all the theories before simply outright rejecting them. Thats what I have done.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well technically I put my knee jerk comment in regards to my first three videos. I do think if folks invested the time in to the second set, they may think twice before reacting so strongly.

I know when I used to believe the dispensational stuff, a few folks tried providing an alternative theory to me and I just ignored it cuz it looked so foreign after ONE minute of looking at it.

I'd suggest people invest more time in to understanding all the theories before simply outright rejecting them. Thats what I have done.

While I agree many do what you state. I also think many have studied this hard. And we still get conflicting views.

I am sorta stuck, While I disagree with many of the scofieldic theories out there (although I at one time was an avid scofieldite) to me there are just to many questions concerning the belief many have on Matt 24, daniel 9 and many other prophetic writings concerning end times. Where as (at least in my view) my belief has answered those questions, which is why I have stuck to it. Unless someone can show me otherwise.

We all need to look with open heart though. It is human nature to not do this.

 

[1still_waters]

While I agree many do what you state. I also think many have studied this hard. And we still get conflicting views.

I am sorta stuck, While I disagree with many of the scofieldic theories out there (although I at one time was an avid scofieldite) to me there are just to many questions concerning the belief many have on Matt 24, daniel 9 and many other prophetic writings concerning end times. Where as (at least in my view) my belief has answered those questions, which is why I have stuck to it. Unless someone can show me otherwise.

We all need to look with open heart though. It is human nature to not do this.

If you have more time to invest/burn. A debate between Ice and Demar on if the tribulation is past or future.

Tribulation - Past or future? Demar vs Ice. Preterist (Not hyper preterist.) vs Futurist

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The Great Tribulation Past or Future Part 1 - YouTube

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The Great Tribulation Past or Future Part 2 - YouTube

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The Great Tribulation Past or Future Part 3 - YouTube

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The Great Tribulation Past or Future Part 4 - YouTube

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The Great Tribulation Past or Future Part 5 - YouTube

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The Great Tribulation Past or Future Part 6 - YouTube

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The Great Tribulation Past or Future Part 7 - YouTube

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The Great Tribulation Past or Future Part 8 - YouTube

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The Great Tribulation Past or Future Part 9 - YouTube

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The Great Tribulation Past or Future Part 10 - YouTube

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The Great Tribulation Past or Future Part 11 - YouTube

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The Great Tribulation Past or Future Part 12 - YouTube

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I can try later, To loud here to listen to video.

I have listened to many of these debates. Not sure if I have seen this yet. Does not look familiar.

I can say this much. Almost all of the ones I have listened to. I do not agree with some of the points on either side..lol

 

[1still_waters]

I can try later, To loud here to listen to video.

I have listened to many of these debates. Not sure if I have seen this yet. Does not look familiar.

I can say this much. Almost all of the ones I have listened to. I do not agree with some of the points on either side..lol

Yeah me too. I've been investigating/researching this stuff more in depth for about a year now. I'd say on a sheet of paper with 1000 dots to connect, I've connected about three.

Still lots of research left to do. Luckily we all agree that the final dot IS going to happen. Well except for our heretical hyper-preterists. They say it HAS happened.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yeah me too. I've been investigating/researching this stuff more in depth for about a year now. I'd say on a sheet of paper with 1000 dots to connect, I've connected about three.

Still lots of research left to do. Luckily we all agree that the final dot IS going to happen. Well except for our heretical hyper-preterists. They say it HAS happened.

I agree with you..I took about 3 years to study this. This is when I left my scofield type theology of dispensationalism (which did not make sense when studying) and came up with my current view of prophesy. It would have been easy for me to just change altogether and say, well hey if he got this wrong it all must be wrong, and become a ammillenialist. But I just tried to keep an open mind and see what God was saying. I have seen to many people see a few things wrong and jump ship to the opposite teaching without thinking.

Either way I am sure I have more to learn, and we may find out we all were wrong..lol

 

[iamsoandso]

yes left behind theories,,,,,,,,one is taken and the other left behind,,,,,,,,Christ returns(mill. kingdom),,,,,,,and the elect rule with him 1000 years(ones left behind???),,,that is Christ comes the saints meet him in the air with ten thousands of his angels,,,,,,,,,,,and then they rule with him on earth for a 1000 years(left behind to rule with Christ????????),,,,,,,who's idea is it that it's better to be taken,,,,(where?),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,instead of left behind?????notice Christ also comes to earth to dwell among those who are "left behind",,,,,,,,,,,that is i would like to remain here with my lord when the others are taken,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"they are taken where????",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,while the others are "left behind",with christ in the mill.?????????????,,,,,,,

 

[Abiding]

I dont give this award to just any thread

 

[peterT]

I need proof in man's history to verify the Bible?

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NO, but you do need proof of what you are saying, and if you can use man’s history to show that, it would help.

I need proof in man's history to verify the Bible?

It's true because JESUS said it would be soon to them. Jesus said it!

Also I think you misunderstand what I'm saying.

I'm saying everything up to the 1000 year reference is fulfilled. Therefore if I say stuff after the 1000 year reference is still to be fulfilled, then I am not contradicting.

It seems to me that you don’t even believe your own doctrine.

If you quote Rv22:10 “this book is at hand” back in 70 AD as you say. then why don’t you quote it to yourself? For it says “this book” NOT a part of this book.

And as for Matt24 it says “and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world”?
So how could that be in 70AD?

Your doctrine has no substance, nothing to stand upon.

And what good are you going to be to strengthen the brethren when the world gets darker and the wicked get more wicked, if you can’t see the signs of the times because of your doctrine.

 

[peterT]

I believe everything up to the 1000 year reference is fulfilled. We're not living in a restored creation obviously. Jesus is still coming back to restore creation.

I see you have taken out all the scary bits from the Bible and just keep all the good bits all the nice bits all the sweet bits all the rewards.

And you have taken out all the scary bits, and you have taken out all the plagues of the trumpets and taken out the two end time prophets that can smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

You have taken out having to bow to the image of the beast or be killed and tested for your faith like Daniel and the king’s image.
You have taken out that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast.
You have taken out all the scary bits the purging the testing of your faith the purifying and the fire.

And just left all the good bits all the nice bits all the sweet bits all the rewards.

If the world goes to chaos and to the dogs it’s OK as long as you can watch it on your TVs from the comfort of your own homes, and as long as you can continue going down to the corner shop and buy you chocolate.

Rv3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

You guys are in for such a shakeup. Having doubts that you will continue in the faith.

Matt24:13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 

[loveme1]

When we make our Foundation Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah, we have nothing to fear.

33And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. 34Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. 35And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

There be an appointed time for us to "walk" the "walk"...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Matt24:13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mind if I ask you what you think Jesus meant here?

 

[Abiding]

back to front row please

 

[peterT]

Here we are talking about the word of the Lord, Jesus being the word.

John6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

What are you talking about?

Here we are talking about the word of the Lord, Jesus being the word.

As Jesus said .

Matt4;4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Here we are talking about the word of the Lord, the deep things of God.

And what are you talking about?

Not about Jesus that’s for shore

back to front row please

I dont give this award to just any thread

very cool..just stopped by starbucks for a big bag....dont quit now!

haha cool! good coffee read thread

Not about Jesus that’s for shore .

 

[peterT]

Mind if I ask you what you think Jesus meant here?

No I don’t mind eternally-gratefull.

Matt24:13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Don’t deny your faith don’t take the mark of the beast and bow to his image.

For every one who worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God.

He that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rv14:9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Rv2:13I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.