Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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Sharing truth with others is not judging. I wish I were given a dollar for everytime a person responds with this statement, because they think that anything you say is judging.
We've been instructed by God, in scripture, to share truth with the world. This means exposing falsehoods as we see them. The disciples died for the truth and many of them would rebuke and correct very boldly all of those who did not like the truth. I think it was Peter who once got very passionate and was very bold in the delivery of his message to a non believer.
The work of a born again Christian is that of a missionary. If we were to sit here and let falsehoods corrupt God's word and Jesus' perfect sacrifice then the truth is not in us. For we don't attack the people, we attack the system which has a hold on people. Even if you can't see it, we can. Ever had a friend that was being deceived? Would you not want to help as much as possible?
I really don't want to see anyone perish because they were deceived. But there is no second chance once you're dead. If you die not having been born again you cannot come back and start over.
We've been instructed by God, in scripture, to share truth with the world. This means exposing falsehoods as we see them. The disciples died for the truth and many of them would rebuke and correct very boldly all of those who did not like the truth. I think it was Peter who once got very passionate and was very bold in the delivery of his message to a non believer.
The work of a born again Christian is that of a missionary. If we were to sit here and let falsehoods corrupt God's word and Jesus' perfect sacrifice then the truth is not in us. For we don't attack the people, we attack the system which has a hold on people. Even if you can't see it, we can. Ever had a friend that was being deceived? Would you not want to help as much as possible?
I really don't want to see anyone perish because they were deceived. But there is no second chance once you're dead. If you die not having been born again you cannot come back and start over.
'For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies' - instead of doing good, you want to destroy.
'There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love' - you condemn the catholic people. But they believe their faith, so they have no fear of you.
'Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so practice and observe whatever they tell you—but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others.' - you cite scripture on every aspect of faith, but yet I doubt that you follow every word of it to the letter yourself. Nobody does. We all fail sometimes.
'There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love' - you condemn the catholic people. But they believe their faith, so they have no fear of you.
'Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so practice and observe whatever they tell you—but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others.' - you cite scripture on every aspect of faith, but yet I doubt that you follow every word of it to the letter yourself. Nobody does. We all fail sometimes.
Faith the size of only a mustard seed can move a mountain. Faith is not a feeling. It's not even really a belief as such. Faith is knowing that there is a God there, and believing in Christ enough that you go out into the world and repent, do good works, and allow Christ to shine through you.
A Catholic can have faith. Just. Like. Us.
A Catholic can have faith. Just. Like. Us.
The Pharisees chose their traditions/their way over the truth. Christ then established a New covenant, a New Testament church. However, many churches today choose to live in the Old Testament just like the Pharisees. When Christ died, the curtain was torn, symbolizing that we have access to God through Jesus as mediator, and not through a priest. Priests were done away with when Christ died on the cross.
Noone is calling anyone a fool. We are simply exposing a false doctrine which you cannot see and will not see.
If we all had the truth we would be equally yoked. Some of us have truth and others don't. Some are born again and others aren't. We must all be born again otherwise we will never see Heaven.
We are saved by faith alone. Once saved, the fruits of our salvation are good works prepared for us in advance. These are our Spiritual gifts given to us. It is by grace through faith that we are saved. We then produce good works. We don't do good works to be saved. There's a difference. Until a person believes it is by faith alone they can never be saved. If you say that you believe Jesus paid the full price and there is nothing you can do yourself then this would mean you acknowledge you don't need to do anything in your church for salvation - no membership, no sacraments, no penance, no mass, etc. If you are holding onto these things then they are a safety net for you and you will not be saved by faith alone because to have faith alone means to have faith alone and not depend on anything or anyone else. See my thoughts? You are not demonstrating the faith alone required.
On this site we discuss bible topics according to the truth. The truth is priority. If a Catholic gets involved in a bible discussion and it does not agree with the teachings of their church then that does not make it wrong. Everything must be compared to scripture. Scripture reveals all truth and falsehoods.
Noone is calling anyone a fool. We are simply exposing a false doctrine which you cannot see and will not see.
If we all had the truth we would be equally yoked. Some of us have truth and others don't. Some are born again and others aren't. We must all be born again otherwise we will never see Heaven.
We are saved by faith alone. Once saved, the fruits of our salvation are good works prepared for us in advance. These are our Spiritual gifts given to us. It is by grace through faith that we are saved. We then produce good works. We don't do good works to be saved. There's a difference. Until a person believes it is by faith alone they can never be saved. If you say that you believe Jesus paid the full price and there is nothing you can do yourself then this would mean you acknowledge you don't need to do anything in your church for salvation - no membership, no sacraments, no penance, no mass, etc. If you are holding onto these things then they are a safety net for you and you will not be saved by faith alone because to have faith alone means to have faith alone and not depend on anything or anyone else. See my thoughts? You are not demonstrating the faith alone required.
On this site we discuss bible topics according to the truth. The truth is priority. If a Catholic gets involved in a bible discussion and it does not agree with the teachings of their church then that does not make it wrong. Everything must be compared to scripture. Scripture reveals all truth and falsehoods.
Jesus never said it was wrong to attend church. Catholics do not have to attend mass EVERY Sunday. It's considered an ode to God if they do. You are STILL, STILL missing the big picture. You're arguing, fork and teeth against this. When Jesus teaches to befriend. To love. To accept. You are saying that Catholicism is totally wrong. And it's not. Catholics are born again. They do repent and ask Jesus into their hearts. They do have the same right to respect as you do.
Look, you are all sterotyping. I've never seen a Catholic kneel to Mary. But after all, she was the Mother of God. In heaven, she would be a friend no???? So why not on Earth. You all take this too seriously and need to remember the basic teaching. Love. Friendship. Kindness. Hope. Joy.
what I have been saying all along. Make the world a better place instead of arguing constantly and putting venom into things. It makes me sick.
what I have been saying all along. Make the world a better place instead of arguing constantly and putting venom into things. It makes me sick.
You have to read the whole chapter to understand the true meaning, you can't pick and choose scripture to fit with your beliefs.
The Greek word for Peter is petros, a word of masculine gender that means rock. But when the Lord said “upon this rock I will build my Church” he used the feminine form petra which means He wasn’t referring to Peter but something else.
Jesus was referring to Peter's declaration: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." This confession of faith is the rock upon which the church is built, and just like Peter, everyone who confesses Jesus Christ as Lord is part of the church (by grace through faith).
The Greek word for Peter is petros, a word of masculine gender that means rock. But when the Lord said “upon this rock I will build my Church” he used the feminine form petra which means He wasn’t referring to Peter but something else.
Jesus was referring to Peter's declaration: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." This confession of faith is the rock upon which the church is built, and just like Peter, everyone who confesses Jesus Christ as Lord is part of the church (by grace through faith).
Katy, you've dropped scripture that way the whole time. I read the verse as I wrote it. He was telling Peter 'You are to be the rock upon which i will build this church (rock, as in 'petros', which is where the word 'Peter' came from), and whatever you bind on earth, will be bound in heaven. Whatever you loosen on earth, will be loosened in heaven'. Nice try Katy. Time to stop all this now, it's foolish, hateful and it's gone on long enough. I'm getting angry now.
It is when you believe YOUR understanding of the truth is the ABSOLUTE truth.
]THIS THREAD HAS REACHED 27 PAGES!!!
EVERY TIME IT SEEMS IT DIES OUT, SOMEONE (non-Catholic) HAS TO REVIVE IT WITH MORE JUDGMENTAL BIGOTRY.
THIS HAS BEEN A BIGOTED THREAD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I DON'T CARE WHAT PAST CIRCUMSTANCES LED TO IT.
IT REEKS WITH HYPOCRISY, BASHING, AND FUNDAMENTAL EXTREMISM.
Why can't people just let it go?
And why doesn't the Administration have the guts to admit wrongdoing, and remove this travesty?
Instead of openly discuss the Bible in a civilized, brotherly manner, we are all stuck on this ill-intended discussion: one side rightfully defending itself, one side persistently attacking it, and a minority dutifully standing up for what is right. I appreciate ALL who stood up for your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
I'd love to see you-know-who have the "guts" (to avoid a more appropriate word) to close this bigoted travesty of a thread.
And please, spare us the phony self-righteous, pro-truth, lovey-dovey lectures... they are as false as the accusations posted over the course of 27 pages.
p.s. I invite all Catholics and fellow Christians who so far have acted admirably, to stop responding to this thread for a day or two. Let them rot in their own self-righteous, bigoted hate for a while.
Amen.
]THIS THREAD HAS REACHED 27 PAGES!!!
EVERY TIME IT SEEMS IT DIES OUT, SOMEONE (non-Catholic) HAS TO REVIVE IT WITH MORE JUDGMENTAL BIGOTRY.
THIS HAS BEEN A BIGOTED THREAD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I DON'T CARE WHAT PAST CIRCUMSTANCES LED TO IT.
IT REEKS WITH HYPOCRISY, BASHING, AND FUNDAMENTAL EXTREMISM.
Why can't people just let it go?
And why doesn't the Administration have the guts to admit wrongdoing, and remove this travesty?
Instead of openly discuss the Bible in a civilized, brotherly manner, we are all stuck on this ill-intended discussion: one side rightfully defending itself, one side persistently attacking it, and a minority dutifully standing up for what is right. I appreciate ALL who stood up for your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
I'd love to see you-know-who have the "guts" (to avoid a more appropriate word) to close this bigoted travesty of a thread.
And please, spare us the phony self-righteous, pro-truth, lovey-dovey lectures... they are as false as the accusations posted over the course of 27 pages.
p.s. I invite all Catholics and fellow Christians who so far have acted admirably, to stop responding to this thread for a day or two. Let them rot in their own self-righteous, bigoted hate for a while.
Amen.
We are not to compromise truth for the sake of unity. But then sharing truth is love. Even if you don't see it this way, it is. All I have done here is share truth and I haven't attacked anyone. Whether you read this or not is your decision.
No, not everyone who says they are Christian is actually Christian. It is by grace through faith alone. Until you believe this you cannot be saved. Your church teaches a different doctrine to the good news Gospel that the disciples taught. Catholics are on the broad road and need to get on that narrow road asap.
No, not everyone who says they are Christian is actually Christian. It is by grace through faith alone. Until you believe this you cannot be saved. Your church teaches a different doctrine to the good news Gospel that the disciples taught. Catholics are on the broad road and need to get on that narrow road asap.
Katy, you;'re blind. I'm angry now, and I've had enough of this. And seeing as you're so fanatical about scripture, here's some for you:
The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet
The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet
No disciple was singled out among the rest. They were all equal, just as all born again believers are children of God. Everyone has different gifts, some as teachers, leaders, evangelists, counselors, etc. That does not mean that everyone has more or less authority over the others, just that everyone has different gifts and teachers pastor the flock but they do not have authority over all believers. They are there for encouragement and guidance, to help teach and instruct us according to God's word, the truth.
Until you have faith alone you cannot be saved. So that means you have to ditch everything that stands in the way of having faith alone because they are stopping you from going forward. The Catholic teachings/doctrine do not encourage faith alone.
The disciples died for the truth. They actually died because they had the truth. They would actually meet for fellowship in each other's houses so as to avoid Roman persecution. Prayer and fellowship, bead and wine in remembrance, no sacraments or works.
Until you have faith alone you cannot be saved. So that means you have to ditch everything that stands in the way of having faith alone because they are stopping you from going forward. The Catholic teachings/doctrine do not encourage faith alone.
The disciples died for the truth. They actually died because they had the truth. They would actually meet for fellowship in each other's houses so as to avoid Roman persecution. Prayer and fellowship, bead and wine in remembrance, no sacraments or works.
This is where you need to read scripture. All born again Christians have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them and have been instructed to share the truth we have with the world. The bible is an instruction manual to all with the Spirit.
2 Timothy 4:2-4: "Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry"
2 Timothy 3:16-17: "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work"
Faith in what Christ did means you believe there is nothing you can do yourself. This means you believe that all the sacraments, penance, mass, etc are worthless. Until you're willing to let go of all these other things that you're holding onto to save you, you can never be saved through faith alone. Faith alone is faith alone. It's by grace through faith. Nothing else. You cannot be saved any other way.
2 Timothy 4:2-4: "Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry"
2 Timothy 3:16-17: "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work"
Faith in what Christ did means you believe there is nothing you can do yourself. This means you believe that all the sacraments, penance, mass, etc are worthless. Until you're willing to let go of all these other things that you're holding onto to save you, you can never be saved through faith alone. Faith alone is faith alone. It's by grace through faith. Nothing else. You cannot be saved any other way.