666 Mark of Beast A non-left behind/dispensational/Hal Lindsey perspective

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eternally-gratefull

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No I don’t mind eternally-gratefull.

Matt24:13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Don’t deny your faith don’t take the mark of the beast and bow to his image.

For every one who worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God.

He that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rv14:9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Rv2:13I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
That would mean he is talking about eternal life here, he is not talking about salvation at all, nor is he mentioned the mark of the beast.

He is speaking about those who are alive, enduring till the end, if they endure until Christ returns, their physical life will be spared. Salvation is not in question at all.
 

Ibe

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Wow,

If I may, There is only 7 events that bring on Our Lord and Savior 2nd comming in the Book of Revalation.

two thousand years ago we had the walking word as the promise comming of our Lord thats the first time...

So should we not all agree His 2nd comming we will all be changed in our Spirit Bodys and from the book of Revalation thats the 7th trump, Amen

So on the 7th trump, the 7th seal, and 7th vial, bye bye flesh,
So my Brothers and Sisters dont make it complecated

what comes befor 7 uh that would be 6

there is only 7 events that bring's on Jesus 2nd comming, and He is comming here to Earth to set up His Kingdom, Right we aint goning no where,,,

But now my Brothers and Sisters, Listen to the words, For all that have ears to hear
on 666

Whats that???

the Sixth Trump
the Sixth Seal
the Sixth Vial

Satan will be kicked out on 666

please ask for understanding

its the great Falling away, Those that recieve that Mark

In Thier Heads= what you are thinking
In Thier Hands= the work you are doing

Many will go to worship Satan at this time he comes peacefuly
Healing the blind
Maken the lamed walk again
its the tribulation of Satan comming as the Antichrist, Many will be Decieved

two in the field, one taken ,, one left

Jesus words if they say I'm over here dont go..

Woe to them with Child, = Those inpregnated with the beast and his lies
Pray your flights not in winter = Taken out of Season

only 7 events my Brothers and Sisters,

whos gonna recieve the Mark its 666 not me I'm gonna fight...
two in the field, one taken ,, one left

dont fall for no rapture,,,Jesus is comming, right on, but the Antichrist comes first

Gee

"Ibe"
"Ibe a Disciple of Jesus Christ":
"Ibe in His Service"
 

gotime

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Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

This Beast will cause the earth to "worship" the first beast. How?


Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Answer: he tricks people with miracles and then makes an image to the first beast. (reminds me of the image that the Hebrew boys were forced to worship and they refused in Babylon.)

So you need to know who the first beast is so that you can find out what His image is. Then you need to know who the second beast is that causes the image of the first to be worshiped.



Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Again he forces us to worship the image of the beast. So the real issue here is worship.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Notice that one of the ways in which he forces people to worship this image and take this mark is to stop them from buying and selling.

Lets take more note of the mark. The Mark appears in their hand or their foreheads. Notice it does not have to be both, it just has to be one or the other.

Another point to note is that the mark has to do with the name of the beast or the number of his name. So the name of the beast is important.


Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Notice here that we are now given the number of the name, 666. so we have a beast that causes the world to worship and part of this worship involves taking the name or the number of the name a mark of the beast.

Part of the answer may be found in the next chapter and in the first verse.

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Notice that we have a group that has a number/144,000 and the Father,s name written in their foreheads.
Does that not sound like it is the opposite of the mark of the beast.

Let us consider for a second that the bible has given us two groups. One, the 144,000 have a mark in their foreheads and it is the name of the Father. while another group take the name of the beast in either their right hand or their foreheads. It would make sense then that knowing what the 144,000 are doing and saying will give us a clue as to what the mark of the best would be.

We will find the answer in the 3 messages that come in this very chapter.


Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Notice that the main thrust of the message here is the judgment has come and "worship him who made the heaven and the earth... So one reason that we know these 144,000 get the mark of God otherwise known as the seal of God in chapter 7, is because they worship God as creator.

To not get distracted I will skip the second angels message and go to the third./COLOR]

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.


Notice here that the receiving of the Mark is directly again related to "worship" The image and the beast. So we have two groups, one that worships God and receives his name in their forehead and another who worships the beast and receives his mark which is a name in their foreheads.

The next verse also gives us a clue.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Another factor that is mentioned here is that the ones who worship God keep God's commandments. Thus it would make sense that the ones who worship the beast follow the beasts commandments. Thus really important to understand who the beast is. by the way you can know.

Before we go on lets look at a few other times this topic is mentioned in Revelation.


Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Here is the end of those who took the image of the beast and worshiped it. notice also that they were deceived into it by miracles. Jesus spoke of a group that thought they were following and worshiping God but were not.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Notice that they thought they had done great things in the name of God. Yet God says to them. "I do not know you" on top of that it says they are workers of iniquity. this word iniquity means law/commandment breakers. Remember one of the markers of the 144,000 is they keep the commandments of God.

Now lets take a look at one other revelation text.


Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Here is a group that even die for Jesus because they did not worship the beast. beheaded take us back to John the baptist who was beheaded because he denounced the sins of Herod. Sins in that time and still today are the breaking of God's commandments.1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

So we have again this group who do not receive the mark of the beast because they would not worship the beast and they denounce the ones who break the law of God. and in so doing they lose their lives for Christ.

We could go on and on, but lets finish with a old testament text.


Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Notice here that they had to obey God and bind them on their hand and their foreheads. interesting. So both old and new testament talk about obeying God. in Revelation the mark of God involves worshiping God in obedience.

Food for thought there is more but this post is already long.
Blessings.
 
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Here is my understanding of 666:

Add up the digits in these numbers:

F is the 6th number of the (English) alphabet. Therefore the sum of the digits is 6.

O is the 15th number of the alphabet. Add 1 + 5 and you get 6.

X is the 24th number of the alphabet. Add 2 + 4 and you get 6.

666 spells “fox (the crafty one).”

Read this:

Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made. Gen 3:1a RSV
Most people underestimate how subtle Satan is when he tempts us with pride (such as social climbing) and other sin.

Some will argue this only works if you use the English language, which might be true, but it is an accurate portrayal of Satan, I think.
 
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Here is my understanding of 666:

Add up the digits in these numbers:

F is the 6th number of the (English) alphabet. Therefore the sum of the digits is 6.

O is the 15th number of the alphabet. Add 1 + 5 and you get 6.

X is the 24th number of the alphabet. Add 2 + 4 and you get 6.

666 spells “fox (the crafty one).”

Read this:


Most people underestimate how subtle Satan is when he tempts us with pride (such as social climbing) and other sin.

Some will argue this only works if you use the English language, which might be true, but it is an accurate portrayal of Satan, I think.
Well the Bible can't mean something to us that it didn't mean to them. Since they didn't speak English at all, this interpretation is a stretch. Although in principle it does fit to a certain extent.
 
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Well the Bible can't mean something to us that it didn't mean to them. Since they didn't speak English at all, this interpretation is a stretch. Although in principle it does fit to a certain extent.
Still, the serpent was the subtlest of all the creatures the Lord created.
 
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peterT

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That would mean he is talking about eternal life here, he is not talking about salvation at all, nor is he mentioned the mark of the beast.

He is speaking about those who are alive, enduring till the end, if they endure until Christ returns, their physical life will be spared. Salvation is not in question at all.
Hi eternally-gratefull.

I can actually see the sense in what you are saying here.

I assume you think its talking about the unbelievers? He that shall endure unto the end of the great tribulation, the same shall be saved “his physical life will be spared”.

That has merit in what you say, because we have to rule over someone after Jesus returns.


But as for Jesus not mentioning the mark of the beast he didn’t have to because both times Jesus mentioned these verses, he was talking about the great tribulation Matt24:13/ Mark 13 :13. So the mark of the beast goes hand in hand with great tribulation which Jesus was talking about.

I just say that so you can understand how I came to that conclusion.

I appreciate your insight, you say a lot of good thing and I can hear the voice lord in your words.

May the lord bless you and yours, and keep you under the shadow of the almighty.

love from peter in jesus name.
 

jandian

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There are scriptures in the bible that are to be taken literally and some to be taken figuratively and the rest to be taken both ways. It is only the Spirit of God that can tell us which are to be taken how.....Upon Revelation He shall build His Church....
 
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love777

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This is what I feel in my spirit and feel led to post it here about the rfid chip.
If one does not take the rfid microchip U can not:
(Because all businesses have to have a chip therefore the business that's conducting business has to so with others that have chip)
Will not be able to do business with anybody including:
Banks - your money will be frozen until U get a chip,can not get your money out of bank
Electric co. -no air cond for summer or heat for winter
Water co.- no water
Car-no drivers license can't go anywhere, they have plans in place for check points all across usa.
Grocery store - no food
Any type of business U are conducting with now can no longer be without the chip. U will have to find someone who has a business in the goods that u want to buy who also refuse to get a chip, to do business with.
Barter is the game now.
They will have to refuse business(businesses that have chip) with u even if u have cash.
The elistist have made a farmer kill his young pigs - made him shoot them
Can't garden they will destroy your plants or get arrested trying
Health care -cant' go to emergency room without the chip - if U forget your ins. card U will be chipped by force.
They won't let us grow food, they want control over what u eat.
Won't let us have a garden- woman was arrested for giving- neighbor tomato.
Look at H.A.R.R.P messing with the air we breath.
Not only all of this but we have a real threat coming from the coroma mass ejection from the sun where raidation can kill u unless you're protected - home, clothing, mask etc.
 

cronjecj

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the serpent is the flesh and the demons are
the deeds of the flesh.

666 is not a chip neither a "specific" man, it
is anyone and everyone that are of the first
Adam.

the man of sin is the old nature.
 

loveme1

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the serpent is the flesh and the demons are
the deeds of the flesh.

666 is not a chip neither a "specific" man, it
is anyone and everyone that are of the first
Adam.

the man of sin is the old nature.

I think we have been warned and though you may not believe it is a literal mark of a beast today or even tomorrow, please keep in mind the literal information we are given through the Bible. ...





Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
 
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IMINJC

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LOVEME1



You Said: Is there a label to your way of thinking?

Yes it is my friend...it's a "Preterist" view of eschatology. A "Preterist" is a theology that holds to the opinion that most if not all of the prophecies concerning the second coming of Jesus have already been fulfilled, this would include the "Olivet Discourse" of Matthew 24 and Revelation Chapter 12 through Chapter 19. Of course it's a false doctrinal view but that's bout par for the course on these forums.
 
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meecha

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Truth is that Preterism is a far older eschatology than Dispensationalism. Dispensationalism is a 19th century doctrine. If you read the classic commentaries of the reformation and the 17th century ...Gill, Lightfoot etc you will find the " preterist" view of Matt 24 is mainstream. "End times" has become a very lucrative business for the likes of Hal Lindsey and Tim La Haye. There books have made millions for the authors but their theology is poor. They do serve as "scary stories " for gullible Christians though...kind of an eschatological Scooby Doo.....yikes Scooby it's the a..a..a....antichrist:). Christians love the 666 speculation and the is SAddam the antichrist or maybe it's Obama? It's a captive market.
I'm speaking as one who has been there. I saw the Omen before I became a Christian and got freaked out by it because....:eek: of course the book of Revelations(sic) is about the end of the world!!!!I remember checking the back of my head to make sure I wasn't Damien...lol
 
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IMINJC

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MEECHA.


YOU SAID: Truth is that Preterism is a far older eschatology than Dispensationalism. Dispensationalism is a 19th century doctrine. If you read the classic commentaries of the reformation and the 17th century ...Gill, Lightfoot etc you will find the " preterist" view of Matt 24 is mainstream. "

So of course since its an old view of eschatology that automatically means that its sound doctrine right? I don't care how classic it is, its still False doctrine. It is false doctrine today and it was false doctrine then, it is classically false. There is a reason why it was pushed aside by the mainstream Church and replaced by Dispensationlism as you call it, because its a more fundamentally scriptural sound doctrine. The Preterist view is not only an unscriptural view but it even defies common sense. To prove this all one has to do is read the title of the thread "Did Jesus return in AD 70?.".... To even ask such a question is insulting to any mans intelligence, including those classified as crack heads. Obviously you disagree with my opinion of the Preterist view...Well just keep posting your opinions of it and watch me make it fade under the shadow of the Word of God and good common sense.
 
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It's spiritual and you cannot be "forced" to worship.
You cannot "buy or sell" your SOUL.
Unless you THINK you must.

Hearts are on trial, not the flesh.
 
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If it is symbolic how does the stop you from buying and selling?

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

If it is symbolic how would you know if you have taken the mark or not?

And what would be the difference between us and them when Jesus comes.

The angels come and separate the wicked from among the just and first he gathers the tares into bundles

30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The tares take the mark because they are Gather together first.then gather us wheat into his barn.

The wicked could say to God in the last day I never received the mark of the beast in my right hand, or in my foreheads.

What better way to show God that you do live by faith and walk by faith than to have to literally live and walk by faith because you won’t be allowed to buy or sell.

Yes scripture with scripture, just because it has been symbolic in the past doesn’t necessary mean it’s symbolic in the future, especially when it says And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark.

If it was symbolic no one could stop us from buying.
I am not the one that put the video out but I do not that we will have some kind of system that is put into place for us to by and sell it could be something to do with the money changing over. But many people are already marked with the mark in your head and hand, because what is in your head? Your brain this is a brainwashing and most people that are in these churches that God told us to get out of are already brainwash to believe what they are teaching them. Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

God has called those that belong to Him out of these churches because the are lying to Gods children about everything they have taught us about the Bible. Look how many people think that they came from Adam and Eve when Adam and Eve are two Jewish people. God created the Gentile Nations in Genesis 1:27 when God created the male and female flesh bodies this is when he created all of the Gentile Nations all at one time and God created them male and female so that the could be able to reproduce after their own race and after their own Nations.

The word Gentile simply means all of the races OTHER than the Jewish race. When God finished the Creation of the Gentile Nations He was fulfilling His scripture in Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

God also gave them all the same language fulfilling Genesis 11:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Than God rested on the seventh day this one day was a thousand years
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. So it was a thousand year before God even put his hands to forming Adam and Eve.

But the one thing we have to understand is when God is talking about mankind in the Bible He uses the word ADAM because he wanted us to understand that it was no difference in the makeup of these two Groups in Created and Formed in Geneisis concerning the bringforth of mankind. Because they were both made up of body, mind, spirit and soul and this is the ADAM in both the Gentile Nations and the man Adam and Eve. The difference comes in on how God brought them into existence and the jobs that He gave the two groups to do.

The Gentile Nations was to fill the earth with there Nationalities after their own races. This is Gods law that every seed has it own body kind after kind, and the word seed means sperm. 1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. As far as brainwashing goes they are already brainwashed because they refuse to believe the truth. Just like the rapture this is not a teaching of God this is just another lie just like all of the other lies that they have taught us. Many people will be deceived at the end because everyone will run to the first Christ that is coming because they are going to think that he is the true Christ coming.

They do not teach Gods children that Christ will not come back to us anymore in the flesh body, when he comes after the false Christ comes he will come in the same body that he has right now seating at the right hand of the Father an He is in His Spirit body.

For Christ said in that day we will not ask him nothing because many will think that he is already here.
John 16: 23 And in that day [the day of the tribulation] ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
because the whole world will run to the false Christ thinking he is the true Christ because they are brainwashed and they have already been marked in their brain by what these churches are teaching them not realizing who they are that are teaching these lies. I have a lesson up explaining who they were.

The mark in there right hand is telling us that they will be working for this system, how do you think these people are getting rich from people giving them a third of their check that they already pay a third to the government. This tithing was what they was doing in the Bible days because the church and the state was together and this was there part of that they gave to the government than. The church and state is separated now so this is something that is not applying to us.

They are just building the Anti Christ system larger and more powerful so that they deceive more and more of Gods children. But the money situation will come when the dollar collapse and they will make another sourse that they will make us take that will cause us to have to bow down to that system.
So we are on their time we are just pawns in the war between good and evil. We have to make sure that we know the chronological order of Christ return and he is coming after the false Christ and when the tribulation is over. Than we will be changed into our spirit bodies because this is the only way we will be able to see Christ coming in the clouds because He is coming in His Spirit body.
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

But they are not going to teach you this because their job is to prepare you to run into Satan arms when he come acting like he is coming to rapture you away. When God Himself is against this very teaching but he will send them a great delusion because God knows that they want to believe a lie rather than the truth of God. 2 Thessalonians 2 :11-12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[12] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

They were looking up into the sky at Christ and the Angel told them that Christ will return back to earth in the same manner in His Spirit body, flesh will never into heaven and Christ was born only one time through the woman womb and He will not be born of woman anymore.
But we will be here through the tribulation don't let them fool you, and remember the false Christ will come first will all kinds of miracle as to make lightening come from the sky.

If you believe in the rapture you have already taken the mark of the beast in you head meaning your brain.
 
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This is what I feel in my spirit and feel led to post it here about the rfid chip.
If one does not take the rfid microchip U can not:
(Because all businesses have to have a chip therefore the business that's conducting business has to so with others that have chip)
Will not be able to do business with anybody including:
Banks - your money will be frozen until U get a chip,can not get your money out of bank
Electric co. -no air cond for summer or heat for winter
Water co.- no water
Car-no drivers license can't go anywhere, they have plans in place for check points all across usa.
Grocery store - no food
Any type of business U are conducting with now can no longer be without the chip. U will have to find someone who has a business in the goods that u want to buy who also refuse to get a chip, to do business with.
Barter is the game now.
They will have to refuse business(businesses that have chip) with u even if u have cash.
The elistist have made a farmer kill his young pigs - made him shoot them
Can't garden they will destroy your plants or get arrested trying
Health care -cant' go to emergency room without the chip - if U forget your ins. card U will be chipped by force.
They won't let us grow food, they want control over what u eat.
Won't let us have a garden- woman was arrested for giving- neighbor tomato.
Look at H.A.R.R.P messing with the air we breath.
Not only all of this but we have a real threat coming from the coroma mass ejection from the sun where raidation can kill u unless you're protected - home, clothing, mask etc.


I differently agree with you on that! This is why we need to at least have silver even a piece of a coin can get you some bread and even may be able to bribe the marshal law to not pick you up because at this time the Anti Christ will be here or coming soon because he will come first to deceive God children in believing that He is Christ coming back to rapture them away! When God Himself is against this teaching.

Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows,[soft teaching] wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly,[don't worry we will not be here for the tribulation we will be gone] and I will tear them from your arms,[he will send those that would teach them the truth of His word] and will let the souls go,[the truth will make them free] even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.[even those that use to believe in these lies will learn the truth and be able to prepare themselves to go through the race until the end. Not being afraid to have to give up their lives it they are caught by the ememies those that are working for the Anti Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.


2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. [5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?




These are scripture that they do not show Gods people because it does not back their lie of the Rapture up. Many people that truly love the Lord with all of there heart will be deceived and lose their Salvations at the very end just because they did not listen to God when he told them to get out of these churches the are lead by the Anti Christ and His fallen angels teaching Gods children lies by adding and taking away from Gods word through their teaching of it.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. [5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

John 16: 32 Behold, the hour cometh,[hour of temptation the tribulation] yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered,[the majority will run to the Fake Christ thinking that he is the true Christ when he will be Satan acting like Christ returned] every man to his own, and shall leave me alone:[those that are going to think he is Christ was deceived thinking Christ had came back and the are actually leaving the true Christ alone] and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.[meaning He did not come yet because Satan had to come first before the true Christ will return. The True Christ will not come to us in the flesh body anymore this is why we will all be changed this is the only way we will see him because the flesh can not see in the spirit realm.

They are not even teaching Gods children that Christ is not coming back to us anymore in the flesh because He did this already when Christ comes back to us after the tribulation.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,People cannot understand the word

ALL this mean everybody this did not say anything about just the saved this is both the saved and the sinner no one is left behind because when He comes in His Spirit body we all have to be changed so that the dead in Christ meaning those that are not alive in Christ the dead in Christ have not excepted Him and Savior, along with those that excepted the false Christ in the tribulation thinking he was here already. They will be so hurt to know that they picked the wrong Christ they will want the mountains to fall on them to cover them from the face of the true Christ when they realized they listened to the churches which was all working for their god.

God told us that He passed and heard their devotions and it was not about him it was to an unknown God.

Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

This is why He wants us out of the lies and manipulation of those that are manipulating Gods word those that he did not call to teach His children.

It's time to understand his word because they lied to us throughout of Gods word starting from the lie that we all came from Adam and Eve. Than the famous Adam and Eve sinned which not only did Adam not sin he was not even deceived, Eve was the one in the trangression which means sin. 1 Timothy 2:13 -14 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. [14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

When actually Satan and Eve is the one that sinned!They committed the Original Sin when Satan deceive Eve into excepting His seed which was the fruit the definition of the word fruit means a conception and a conception means Eve became pregnant with Satan seed than she brought the knowledge of her body to her husband and he did eat meaning he had sex with Eve and she also got pregnant with his son. Eves had twins in the womb of two different father, Cain is Satan Father and Able is Adam son that Cain killed.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil;[when He gave Eve his seed allowing her to committe adultry] for the devil sinneth from the beginning.[the beginning meaning Genesis which the word Genesis means the beginning] For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Christ came for this reason because Satan stop God from bringing Christ through Eves womb this is what their job was to be.

God was going to bring forth Christ through Eves womb and God took so much time with them because God wanted to make sure that they were the best parents they could be. Satan knew that God was going to bring Christ through Eves womb this is why He had to get to Eves womb first. Because Satan wants to do everything God does. So He know if he got to Eves womb first he could stop Christ from coming because God would never us a tainted womb. This way he could get his son into the earth first because now God would have to wait until all of these people from bloodline of Adam would have to be born before he found another woman of the Jewish race, to bring Christ through. Satan won that race he got to Eves womb first, and she gave Satan a Son called Cain.
1John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.



The Original Sin was committed by Satan and Eve and these are the ones that God punished and Christ came to fulfill what God told to them in Genesis

1John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's [There is only one wicked one and you really do not need to even have a college education with a Phd to understand that the word of God was telling us that this "wicked one" was Satan].
 
God nor Christ will ever talk to use outside of our common sense when they called Satan a father of lies. The only way you can be qualified to be called a father is if you have had a child. Lies does not qualified you to be called a father. You would never go to the Doctor to get some help for your child because you think he is becoming a compulsive liar, and tell the Doctor! Doc I need you to keep my son because he is a "father of lies." If your would have done this the Doctor would have made you a appointment to see someone as well because he would have thought the problem your child was having might have started with you from saying something so foolish as calling your son a father of lies. So why would anyone think that Christ is crazy to call someone a father that was not a father he is not going to talk to us outside of our own common sense.
 
The lies that Christ connected to Satan calling him a "father of lies" was the lies that Satan told to Eve to deceive her into excepting his seed, the fruit the definition of the word fruit means a conception and a conception means she became pregnant with Satan seed. He did this to block God from bring forth Christ through Eve womb. This is why God did not want Adam and Eve to know anything about sex because He did not want Eve womb touched until he was ready to bring His Son Christ through her womb to the earth so that Christ could be born of woman into the earth keeping His scripture John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

So lets not believe in the last lie of the Bible that they want us to get deceived with because like I said they have lied to us from Genesis to Revelation and I just showed you. He when will change into our spirit bodies like a thief in the night we will not even know when we will change this is why He said he is coming as a thief in the night because we will be changed from the flesh bodies without us knowing when. This is the only way we will be able to see Him coming in the clouds is if we are in our spirit bodies, because flesh cannot not see the spirit realm.


John 16: 32 Behold, the hour cometh,[hour of temptation the tribulation] yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered,[the majority will run to the Fake Christ thinking that he is the true Christ when he will be Satan acting like Christ returned] every man to his own, and shall leave me alone:[those that are going to think he is Christ was deceived thinking Christ had came back and the are actually leaving the true Christ alone] and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.[meaning He did not come yet because Satan had to come first before the true Christ will return. The True Christ will not come to us in the flesh body anymore this is why we will all be changed this is the only way we will see him because the flesh can not see in the spirit realm.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

All of those that you see holding sign up that Christ is coming soon is already deceived and they will be the ones that will run straight into the arms of the false Christ just as those who are teaching this false rapture teaching. But those that try to tell them the turth they talk about us, and all we are doing is what God sent us here to do teach the truth to God children his pastors that he said he will send.
Jeremiah 3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
but you will not find them in these churches because God knows who have taken them over.

But God wants us to make them accountable because if they turn away from the truth than they will not be able to say I did not know. He will bring the exact time when he sent you His elect to tell you the truth.

God chose will come in the spirit of Elias to get the hearts of the children back to the Father in truth this is what He has prepared me for since I was seven years old when I just knew that I would be marrying Christ I was so in love with Him. But devastated when they told me in school that God turned His back on Christ on the cross I was crying so much I thought I would die at the age of twelve Christ came to me in my spirit an gave me this key called called the key of David that would open up anything that I would want to know about Him even through I did not have a physical key things came to me as though I was there when it happen. Christ told me that I would never have to worry about anyone else ever lying to me because He felt the love I had from Him at such and early age that He never wanted me to have to be lied to by anyone else. But I am not suppose to go to only those he will lead me too. He wants me to make them accountable once I tell them the truth than they will not be able to say that they did not know.

Ezekiel 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.


Ezekiel 33:8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.


To teach them the truth of Gods word even though I get a lot of hatred back I will continue to teach this until I am not longer in this flesh.
Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

My God word go forth and give His children the wisdom and knowledge that God intended it to do. May Gods children open their eyes before it is to late and remember if you are still in your flesh body the true Christ has not came yet!




 
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I believe everything up to the 1000 year reference is fulfilled. We're not living in a restored creation obviously. Jesus is still coming back to restore creation.
First verse in Rev states why and for who, the book is written. You seem to know the why, but not
the who. Rev isn't a book of abstract meanings, but straight forward, easy to understand truth.
People grasp at the abstract to make sense to themselves, because they lack the simple understanding of "why and/or for who".

The why : written for My servants to know what is soon to happen
The who : The 144k Jews sealed by God. (Rev 7:3)
When you put that frame work in place, its a breeze and easy to understand.
For those 144k, all the "soon to happen" stuff, will literally soon happen, just like He promised.
And wheres the church? Read on down in chapter 7, you'll see where they are at.
 
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First verse in Rev states why and for who, the book is written. You seem to know the why, but not
the who. Rev isn't a book of abstract meanings, but straight forward, easy to understand truth.
People grasp at the abstract to make sense to themselves, because they lack the simple understanding of "why and/or for who".

The why : written for My servants to know what is soon to happen
The who : The 144k Jews sealed by God. (Rev 7:3)
When you put that frame work in place, its a breeze and easy to understand.
For those 144k, all the "soon to happen" stuff, will literally soon happen, just like He promised.
And wheres the church? Read on down in chapter 7, you'll see where they are at.
Ok,, i didn't see a very good post on the mark, to reply to, so I replied to my own.

In the 1980's, I couldn't conceive how people would willingly take a mark, a tattoo, on their hand
or forehead. Now, I can see them getting 3 or four tattoos on their forehead and hand. Everyone, it
seems, is getting tattoos, which is what most considered the mark to be. However today, with the
technology we have, most see it as a "chip". So how does satan get people to take the mark, when
it is known that taking it, will lock you into the lake of fire, for all eternity? Well, you can dangle
that chip idea and make them watch for it, and slip the mark, (just another tattoo) on them.
Strange how popular tattoos have gotten, so close to the end.

Literal mark? What was the legal required greeting in Nazi Germany? Hiel Hitler. Not hello, hi, hey!
etc.. Remember the Swastika they wore? What about Stalin's and Saddam's statues they
had around the country? And their picture painted on the sides of buildings and people constantly
cheering them when they were in public? Don't you think the anti-christ will want the same
thing only bigger and better, than those other evil people? Will the statues and portraits be enough
for the supreme evil of a man? What about putting his name and/or picture on "you"?
When you worship the anti-christ, you'll be able to buy and sell. How will they know you worship
the beast? Just look at the swastkia to know your a nazi.......I mean, look at the name on your head.