Same sex marriage is an abomination and if you support it you are not a christian

[MLN76]

Even just a quick glance at Romans chapter 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Ephesians 5: 5-13, not to mention Old Testament passages that reflect God's desire for us to be sexually pure should give any professing Believer pause at the worlds new "view" of the gay lifestyle, of sexuality in general for that matter. It's passages like these that gave me the hope that I needed that things could be different for me. That I didn't have to live enslaved to sin for the rest of my life. That there was a "way of escape" so that I could "stand up under it".

Stop listening to the Ellen's, Nate Burkuses, Oprahs and reality show garbage and think for yourselves...dig into the scriptures and see what God says. Don't let a side argument like bullying or oppression or unfairness or inequality blur your vision...these are side issues that have nothing to do with whether it's sin or not sin.

SIN is completely natural to humankind. And there's only ONE remedy for sin..."thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord."


Anyone who thinks this is an acceptable practice for a Believer needs to heed the words of the once famous Balki Bartokomous....."Don't be ridiculous....."

 

[Nautilus]

I mean I dont think there is anything wrong with two consenting secular adults engaging in it. They are hurting no one and if secular clearly arent chrisitan so they shouldnt be forced to follow christian moral codes. Thats my stance on thing. If you are a believer and gay thats between you and God, I wont say anything because I know I have my own vices.

Also I never terribly understood the issue anyways, I mean beyond being the same gender i dont think there is anythign they do that a hetero couple couldnt do

 

[Deadtosin]

Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

JUDE

 

[psychomom]

I agree with what you stated Rauleetoe, however it is important to note that we should never deceive the lost by softening the truth.

Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? (john the baptist)

Matthew 11:11
Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist:
(Jesus Christ)

*psychomom was just thinking something similar, but is glad Deadtosin posted first, as he said it better*

And gentlemen [including rauleetoe, here] (and, thank the Lord you ARE gentle-men ) I believe you both agree on this topic, but the enemy would love to sow discord. I commend you both for not allowing this.
*psychomom is as proud of these young men as she would be of her own children.*

~ellie

 

[Mediate]

The only thing that was fulfilled from the old testament was the law of sin and death. The law that we must be punsished and our sins stick with us. Jesus himself said 'I have not come to abolish the old law, but to fulfill it'.

The ten commandments still apply. Like Jesus said. jesus also recites, in Matthew 'Have you not heard he made them Man and Woman. And the two join to become one flesh'.

It;s also starkly apparent in the biology of human beings, that we were not intended to be gay. A man was made for a woman.

It really isn't hard to work out.

 

[Mediate]

But also you have to remember, to we slander, hate, throw spite at, hurt, kick, punch, slap, bite, or shun everyday sinners? No, we don't. Jesus taught with compassion. Compassion was the sword he used to teach people how to be good in God's eyes. WE have no right to hate homosexual people. Or no right to keep jabbering on at them more than they are willing to listen. Because what good comes of hating them and oppossing them so violenty? We are meant to teach with love, not logic.

If I say 'You are homosexual, you will burn'. Then I might aswell say 'You looked at porn, you will burn', or 'you have thought immoral thoughts about another woman, youw ill burn'. Or better still 'you have judged, you will burn'.

We have to show and teach, not hate and force.

 

[Mediate]

the world today is full of people (myself included), who are accustomed to willfully sinning on a daily basis in one way or another. We are no better than they are.

 

[rauleetoe]

I am sorry if you thought that I thought you were excusing anything, that's why I was sure to note in the beginning I agreed with what you said. I'll be sure to look into that book

You're alright mate..and yes i agree with you..sin is bad, it destroys..keeps you from God's best..It will eventually kill you..rob you of God's blessing..but because i still live in this world and have this bag of flesh called a body, i sin at times..its bad, its not good whatsoever..it grieves me..
But because i have myself done some pretty bad things, i am able to extend a hand out to others in love, not judging them where they are at right now, I believe God would want them to move past this 'identity' they have..but hey we all at times forget who we are in Christ, the liberating king..
you are not that porn addict, you are not that womanizer who seeks to bed down with women who are insecure and not your wife..
you are not that dishonest unethical business person who cheats others to make a buck..
You've forgotten at times who you are, as I myself have forgotten who i am! We are acting out but we are not walking in our real identity as Believers of Christ...
I see potential in all people to maybe one day serve God, and since i see them in this light, i do not look at their current 'condition' as a reason for me to turn up my nose as if i am superior. Not saying you're doing this, but i have seen it in church, as i am sure everyone else has..
That high and mighty piety has got to go! We all need a healthy dose of reality, we all were once there, and even if we were 'raised in church' and stayed there..God still had mercy on you for preserving you. So no one can boast in themselves..which i am glad this is how it is..

 

[rauleetoe]

*psychomom was just thinking something similar, but is glad Deadtosin posted first, as he said it better*

And gentlemen [including rauleetoe, here] (and, thank the Lord you ARE gentle-men ) I believe you both agree on this topic, but the enemy would love to sow discord. I commend you both for not allowing this.
*psychomom is as proud of these young men as she would be of her own children.*

~ellie

Thanks 'mom'
I am a full time project when it regards to my wanting to be perfected..i mess up on the daily. It should not be this way, but sadly i struggle. I am better i feel, but there's a long way to go..it's gonna be an uphill climb, oh honey i won't lie..like a country singer once said.

I ain't as good as I'm gonna get, but I'm better than I used to be!

And that's my life anthem, it's simple but true, I haven't arrived, but at least i am better than I once was!

 

[Mediate]

Well said Rauleetoe. You can learn a lot if you stop pretending you are God's chosen person for five seconds and realise there are 7 billion people who sin on a daily basis. NOBODY is perfect. Everybody requires a hand sometimes. And everybody deserves to be treated well, loved, respected and cherished. It's backward bigotry and hypocrisy to assume a stance against gays. Assume a stance against sin instead! And take the log from our own eyes. Use our words to lift people up, not smash them into the ground.

self confidence, self worth, self image, energy, love, the will to forgive, the will to change, the determination to go forward. All these things do not come from being run into the ground at every opportunity. Some people, in their over-zealousness, really make the world a harder place to live in than it has to be. it is not for us to judge, or to forgive sin. We forgive feelings. We forgive pain. we forgive for ourselves. God forgives for us. Remember that.

 

[Mediate]

I can stand up and say I am guilty of sexual immorality. I am guilty of hate. I am guilty of spite. I'm guilty of jealousy. I'm guilty of coveting something in my heart. I'm guilty of having a false idol. I'm guilty of disobeying my mum and dad, and dishonouring them.I am guilty of blasphemy. I'm guilty of laziness. I'm guilty of being unthankful, ungrateful. I'm guilty of excessive anger. I'm guilty of ignorance. I am guilty of knowing what I should do, and not doing it. I'm guilty of hitting someone. I am guilty of selfishness. I'm guilty of deceit. I am guilty of many many things and I have no right, to point the finger at anybody else, gay or not. It's about time everyone took the word seriously instead of reciting it to win arguments. Homosexuality is a sin. So is judgement.

 

[Mediate]

Has nobody ever sat and asked themselves, 'what the hell am I doing?'. Shun someone, that person for all you know could end up being the best friend you've ever had but because they do one thing wrong, we shun them out and call them whatever we call them. Well sorry, I'm done with that. I'm done with being in this bubble. Everyone deserves chance after chance after chance after chance just like we get from the big man upstairs himself. So anybody here who wants to throw judgement around and point fingers, point that all knowing hand at yourself and see how you measure up.

 

[Mediate]

cause I just did. And let me tell you, I'm far off the mark.

 

[Nick1990]

*clears throat*

Acts 10:9-23 "About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.” “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.” The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

Colossians 2:16 "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day."

1 Timothy 4:1-3 "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth."

Plenty of stuff about food. Nothing about homosexuality now being acceptable.

Fair enough except it wasn't a hypocritical liar that said not to eat certain foods and who deemed them unclean. It was God. God said it in Leviticus 19. So I guess God was wrong and had to correct himself in the New Testament? And what about trimming your beard and tattoos? How are those trivial practices explained away? Someone else made a great point on here and asked the question if two gay people are non-Christians, why should they be subjected to Christian law? It seems about as fair as subjecting a Christian to Muslim or Hindu law or an American to Bolivian law, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Mediate]

that makes no difference. The thing about Christians, is that Christians see life only through God's word, or at least try to. So in a Christian's eyes, everyone is subject to God's judgement, because God is the creator of all things. There are many passages in the bible which go against homosexuality:

1 Corinthians 6:9 ; Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved: Niether the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men.

Leviticus 20:13 : if a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.

But you make a good point, in that, the judging, hateful, slanderous and violent opposition to ANY sin, is not what Jesus wants. He wants us to befriend, welcome, love and teach with compassion. I have no qualms about being friends with a gay person. Neither a lesbian. Nor someone who has commited a crime in their past. I am wary, perhaps, as anyone would, of being drawn into something which I don't agree with. That is normal. but I do not hate gay people.

The thing about the New Testament, put simply, is that Jesus fulfilled a lot of law. He took away the need for death as a punishment for sin, and replaced it with repentance. So all someone has to do is change and repent in Jesus. This is why their is little room for hatred towards someone who sins.

If, as most people say, and as God says, ALL sin separates us from Him, then how am I any better than a homosexual man or woman?

I have no right to point fingers.

 

[Dude653]

Really?? So you're God now?? You get to decide who is saved and who isnt??

 

[Helloimandrewyo]

Really?? So you're God now?? You get to decide who is saved and who isnt??

I never understand any of your posts.

 

[Helloimandrewyo]

1 timothy 4: 1-6

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

Interesting Passage...food for thought.

 

[lil_christian]

1 timothy 4: 1-6

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

Interesting Passage...food for thought.

BUT...question...if the passage WAS talking about forbidding gay people to marry, wouldn't that contradict the rest of the Bible? Because I know this verse was already brought up, but 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 does say that those people would NOT inherit the Kingdom of God...

Plus when you think about it...honestly, as I have mentioned, homosexuality is self-destructive. In every part of that person's life. In the spiritual aspect, in the physical aspect, the future generation if they plan on adopting kids because I think it really does take two people of the opposite gender to raise kids. I think kids no matter what the gender need a male and female influence in their lives. There also needs to be a head of the household. There can't be if there's two men or two women involved. There's also just some things a mother or father need to take care of...and if there's two mothers or two fathers then there's something lacking greatly. Never underestimate the influence of a mother or father.

But anyways...that's all, folks.

 

[DEHAM]

Sin is Sin. I would guess there is alot more hetero sin than homo. what about drinking or smoking if you eat at retaurant that has booze or buy something from a store taht sells smokes Are you supporting that sin? I think so. JUdge not lest thy be judged