did Christ retrun in AD 70? Matthew 24
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You will have to reread that in the Word, in Genesis of course. But, synopsized, Noah and his children repopulated the earth with his sons raising their family cum tribes in various parts of the then known world..........study hard, does no good to attend classes if you do not...I am certain you already know all this.
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PeterT this post would be as close to an insult as you will find in any of my post directed to you.
However I don't believe that you were with Satan when he was tossed out of Heaven. You think you have the future figured out and you understand prophecy.
I believe it is more beneficial to understand the present and pray each day for God to lead you to do His will and leave the future to the future.
I believe scripture has a lot to teach us and more if people would stop pretending it hasn't already happened and learn from history to anticipate the tactic Satan reuses in the present day and AGE.
whether you are a child of God or not I would not presume to guess or state, but that you have a nasty attitude and are rude and offensive. that is evident to all in your manner of speech and your words.
There are others who might agree with your doctrines but they do not resort in name calling and immature tactics.
anyway You make broad statements in ignorance since you do not really understand my doctrine at all but wish to erect and torch a strawman of what you want to think I believe because I do not bow down and agree with your every edict.
I'm going to let it go and place you and this conversation in the hands of God and allow Him to deal with you as He sees fit. I hope you do the same.
For I would choice God's wrath and chastening then Man's mercy and justice any day.
Matthew 6:34
Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
1 Timothy 4
12 Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit,[b] in faith, in purity. 13 Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. 15 Meditate on these things; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all. 16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
However I don't believe that you were with Satan when he was tossed out of Heaven. You think you have the future figured out and you understand prophecy.
I believe it is more beneficial to understand the present and pray each day for God to lead you to do His will and leave the future to the future.
I believe scripture has a lot to teach us and more if people would stop pretending it hasn't already happened and learn from history to anticipate the tactic Satan reuses in the present day and AGE.
whether you are a child of God or not I would not presume to guess or state, but that you have a nasty attitude and are rude and offensive. that is evident to all in your manner of speech and your words.
There are others who might agree with your doctrines but they do not resort in name calling and immature tactics.
anyway You make broad statements in ignorance since you do not really understand my doctrine at all but wish to erect and torch a strawman of what you want to think I believe because I do not bow down and agree with your every edict.
I'm going to let it go and place you and this conversation in the hands of God and allow Him to deal with you as He sees fit. I hope you do the same.
For I would choice God's wrath and chastening then Man's mercy and justice any day.
Matthew 6:34
Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
1 Timothy 4
12 Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit,[b] in faith, in purity. 13 Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. 15 Meditate on these things; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all. 16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
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No, it is not as easy as you say, Unless you take everything out of order!
Gabriel said from the begining of the cammand to restore the city, until messiah the price shall be 7 weeks, plus 62 weeks. He said during this time the city shall be rebuilt, even in TROUBELSOME TIMES, At the end of this time (69 weeks) Messiah the prince shall come,
Messiah is cut off after the 62 week period is done (which owuld be 69 weeks because you have to add the first 7 weeks, Then Gabriel describes things which will happen AFTER the messiah is cut off. or after the 69 week.
Your confused because you forget to add the first 7 weeks.
“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; (7 plus 62 = 69)
The street[c] shall be built again, and the wall,[d]
Even in troublesome times. 26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself
Gabriel said from the begining of the cammand to restore the city, until messiah the price shall be 7 weeks, plus 62 weeks. He said during this time the city shall be rebuilt, even in TROUBELSOME TIMES, At the end of this time (69 weeks) Messiah the prince shall come,
Messiah is cut off after the 62 week period is done (which owuld be 69 weeks because you have to add the first 7 weeks, Then Gabriel describes things which will happen AFTER the messiah is cut off. or after the 69 week.
Your confused because you forget to add the first 7 weeks.
“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; (7 plus 62 = 69)
The street[c] shall be built again, and the wall,[d]
Even in troublesome times. 26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself
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BECAUSEHEDIED
YOU SAID: agree that Jerusalems desolation was brought about by their sins, but they where made desolate by Rome in AD 70.
However, I would like to see your "evidence" that the Roman armies were not what brought the desolation of Jerusalem about...
I would ask you to carefully read Daniel 9 it is speaking of Christ, and could you give the exact verse about the image being setup in the temple.
Yeah my friend...here it is.
I never said that The Roman armies did not bring the desolation to Jerusalem in AD 70. What I said was that the presence of the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem was not the "abomination" that caused the desolation.
If OJ Simpson was convicted of murdering his wife and sentenced to death, the act of Murder would be the abomination committed, the State of California would have brought "desolation" to him once they excecuted him. The Jews themselves committed the "abomination, " God chose to use the Roman armies to carry out the "desolation," because of the "abomination" that the Jews committed...understand?
So...Herod's Temple was destroyed in AD 70 just as Jesus predicted, because of the abomination of killing all of the prophets that God sent to it including their own Messiah.
Now...when Jesus mentions in Matthew 24:15 about what Daniel says about the "Abomination of Desolation," he gave all authority to what is written in that book concerning this subject. Luke 21:20-21 mentions how the desolation of Jerusalem will be carried out (Armies over running the city..Daniel 9:26), but Luke does not mention the "abomination" that was committed that brought the desolation to the city, but Daniel does mention it....and here it is.
Daniel 9, where Luke got his information from explains about this foreigner bringing an end to the daily sacrifices in the Temple and destroying the city with his armies, but it does not go into deatail about the abomination committed that brought all of this on. The detail of the abomination is recorded in Daniel 11:31-45.
“So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 And forces[j] shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.
How shall they defile the sactuary fortress?....(the sanctuary fortress is the Temple by the way)... By PLACING the abomination inside of the Temple that will eventually bring the desolation to the city and Temple. We already know the abomination committed that destroyed Herod's Temple in AD 70 was committed by the Jews, Now we know that the abomination that will be committed that will destroy the new Temple in the future will be committed by a foreigner who thinks he is God. I say future Temple because this prophecy in Daniel has not come to pass yet.
YOU SAID: agree that Jerusalems desolation was brought about by their sins, but they where made desolate by Rome in AD 70.
However, I would like to see your "evidence" that the Roman armies were not what brought the desolation of Jerusalem about...
I would ask you to carefully read Daniel 9 it is speaking of Christ, and could you give the exact verse about the image being setup in the temple.
Yeah my friend...here it is.
I never said that The Roman armies did not bring the desolation to Jerusalem in AD 70. What I said was that the presence of the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem was not the "abomination" that caused the desolation.
If OJ Simpson was convicted of murdering his wife and sentenced to death, the act of Murder would be the abomination committed, the State of California would have brought "desolation" to him once they excecuted him. The Jews themselves committed the "abomination, " God chose to use the Roman armies to carry out the "desolation," because of the "abomination" that the Jews committed...understand?
So...Herod's Temple was destroyed in AD 70 just as Jesus predicted, because of the abomination of killing all of the prophets that God sent to it including their own Messiah.
Now...when Jesus mentions in Matthew 24:15 about what Daniel says about the "Abomination of Desolation," he gave all authority to what is written in that book concerning this subject. Luke 21:20-21 mentions how the desolation of Jerusalem will be carried out (Armies over running the city..Daniel 9:26), but Luke does not mention the "abomination" that was committed that brought the desolation to the city, but Daniel does mention it....and here it is.
Daniel 9, where Luke got his information from explains about this foreigner bringing an end to the daily sacrifices in the Temple and destroying the city with his armies, but it does not go into deatail about the abomination committed that brought all of this on. The detail of the abomination is recorded in Daniel 11:31-45.
“So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 And forces[j] shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.
How shall they defile the sactuary fortress?....(the sanctuary fortress is the Temple by the way)... By PLACING the abomination inside of the Temple that will eventually bring the desolation to the city and Temple. We already know the abomination committed that destroyed Herod's Temple in AD 70 was committed by the Jews, Now we know that the abomination that will be committed that will destroy the new Temple in the future will be committed by a foreigner who thinks he is God. I say future Temple because this prophecy in Daniel has not come to pass yet.
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ARIAL82
YOU SAID:Dan 9:27; 11:31; Matt 24:15; Luke 21:20 are specific prophecies that the "abomination of desolation that will make sacrifice cease"
The prophecy is very specific about causing the sacrifices to cease in the Temple and it does not indicate that the sacrifices would cease once the Temple is destroyed....duh! thats obvious..everything ceases once the Temple is destroyed.
The foreigner will cause the daily sacrifices to cease as a sign that they are to only worship him and not the God of heaven. He will cause the sacrifices to cease and then will look for approval from others from what he has done....
Daniel 11:30
“So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant.
Daniel 11:32
32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery;
Daniel 11:36
36 “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished;
So you see...stopping the daily sacrifices by destroying the Temple would defeat his purpose of wanting to be worshiped in the Temple and placing his own image in the Temple.
You Aso said :Whereas Antiochus merely offered sacrifices to Jupiter in the Jewish Temple, Hadrian built the largest temples of Jupiter in the world in place of the Jewish temple. We know that Hadrian wanted to make himself the object of worship in his Temple to Jupiter in Jerusalem and he set up a statue of himself riding a horse on the Temple mount at the El-Kas fountain.
None of theses incidents is a fulfillment of what is spoken of in the book of Daniel. When Antiiochus offered sacrifices to Jupiter in the Jewish Temple, is it recorded anywhere that he then ordered the destruction of the holy city or the Temple?...Is it recorded anywhere where he ordered the sacrifices to God to cease? No?....then the prophecy is not fulfilled. Hardrian putting a statue of himself on the Temple mount after the Temple lay in ruins is not a fullfillment of any prophecy that I am aware of.
Nice try but keep trying....that's the problem with time based theology...everything has to fit within a certain time frame and when it doesn't you have to make stuff up. If this prophecy was really fulfilled you should have given me ONE example and not three possible opinions.... The fact that you gave me three only shows that it is not fulfilled. Believe me...when this prophecy comes to pass, all will know it.
YOU SAID:Dan 9:27; 11:31; Matt 24:15; Luke 21:20 are specific prophecies that the "abomination of desolation that will make sacrifice cease"
The prophecy is very specific about causing the sacrifices to cease in the Temple and it does not indicate that the sacrifices would cease once the Temple is destroyed....duh! thats obvious..everything ceases once the Temple is destroyed.
The foreigner will cause the daily sacrifices to cease as a sign that they are to only worship him and not the God of heaven. He will cause the sacrifices to cease and then will look for approval from others from what he has done....
Daniel 11:30
“So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant.
Daniel 11:32
32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery;
Daniel 11:36
36 “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished;
So you see...stopping the daily sacrifices by destroying the Temple would defeat his purpose of wanting to be worshiped in the Temple and placing his own image in the Temple.
You Aso said :Whereas Antiochus merely offered sacrifices to Jupiter in the Jewish Temple, Hadrian built the largest temples of Jupiter in the world in place of the Jewish temple. We know that Hadrian wanted to make himself the object of worship in his Temple to Jupiter in Jerusalem and he set up a statue of himself riding a horse on the Temple mount at the El-Kas fountain.
None of theses incidents is a fulfillment of what is spoken of in the book of Daniel. When Antiiochus offered sacrifices to Jupiter in the Jewish Temple, is it recorded anywhere that he then ordered the destruction of the holy city or the Temple?...Is it recorded anywhere where he ordered the sacrifices to God to cease? No?....then the prophecy is not fulfilled. Hardrian putting a statue of himself on the Temple mount after the Temple lay in ruins is not a fullfillment of any prophecy that I am aware of.
Nice try but keep trying....that's the problem with time based theology...everything has to fit within a certain time frame and when it doesn't you have to make stuff up. If this prophecy was really fulfilled you should have given me ONE example and not three possible opinions.... The fact that you gave me three only shows that it is not fulfilled. Believe me...when this prophecy comes to pass, all will know it.
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What does Europe have to do with Daniel?
Gabriel brings him the prophecy concerning Israel and Jerusalem.
Daniel 9
Gabriel Brings an Answer
20Now while I was speaking and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God in behalf of the holy mountain of my God, 21while I was still speaking in prayer, then the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision previously, came to me in my extreme weariness about the time of the evening offering. 22He gave me instruction and talked with me and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you insight with understanding. 23“At the beginning of your supplications the command was issued, and I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed; so give heed to the message and gain understanding of the vision.
Seventy Weeks and the Messiah
24“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city
Gabriel brings him the prophecy concerning Israel and Jerusalem.
Daniel 9
Gabriel Brings an Answer
20Now while I was speaking and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God in behalf of the holy mountain of my God, 21while I was still speaking in prayer, then the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision previously, came to me in my extreme weariness about the time of the evening offering. 22He gave me instruction and talked with me and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you insight with understanding. 23“At the beginning of your supplications the command was issued, and I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed; so give heed to the message and gain understanding of the vision.
Seventy Weeks and the Messiah
24“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city
I believe the Europe reference which actually should be a world reference was in regard to wars and rumors of wars which has been ongoing since history began. The reference to Daniel isn't that when Daniel figured out by the words of the prophecy just how much longer the Babylonian captivity would last? And then, of course, how long it would be for the first coming of our Lord? Now I am getting turned around in this thread, but I will keep reading........
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I Used a MODERN example to prove a point. come on now. you KNOW what I meant, your not fooling anyone. Now your going of on tangents.
And yes, Daniel 9 does have to do with Isreal. not anyone outside of Isreal. so how could it have been fulfilled. Is Isreal still living in sin? then I guess the "end of sin" has not occured yet has it?
Daniel 9
Gabriel Brings an Answer
20Now while I was speaking and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God in behalf of the holy mountain of my God, 21while I was still speaking in prayer, then the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision previously, came to me in my extreme weariness about the time of the evening offering. 22He gave me instruction and talked with me and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you insight with understanding. 23“At the beginning of your supplications the command was issued, and I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed; so give heed to the message and gain understanding of the vision.
Seventy Weeks and the Messiah
24“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city[/quote]
Amen. Finally someone believes what I believe. YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR HOLY CITY. And END OF SIN.
7 plus 62 weeks you shall live in your city, even in troublesome times ( you will still be under Gentile agression and rule)
After THE 62 weeks ( or 69 weeks) Messiah will be cut off (killed)
After this.
1. City and temple destroyed by people of a prince who is to come (rome)
2. The city will be trampled until war desolations are determined (unknown time frame)
3. Future prince who is to come will confirm a covenant with MANY
4. He will place an abomination which makes desolate in the temple.
then we go to Matt 24, what happens after the abonination?
1. Great tribulation sich as has NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE AND WILL NOT BE SEEN AFTER. This did not happen in 70 AD.
2. Following tribulation. God will cut short because if he did not ALL FLESH (not all Jews) Will be destroyed if he did not put a stop to the great tribulation.
3. Christ returns.
it is easy, Just look with an open heart. and it is not dispensationalsim!
And yes, Daniel 9 does have to do with Isreal. not anyone outside of Isreal. so how could it have been fulfilled. Is Isreal still living in sin? then I guess the "end of sin" has not occured yet has it?
Daniel 9
Gabriel Brings an Answer
20Now while I was speaking and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God in behalf of the holy mountain of my God, 21while I was still speaking in prayer, then the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision previously, came to me in my extreme weariness about the time of the evening offering. 22He gave me instruction and talked with me and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you insight with understanding. 23“At the beginning of your supplications the command was issued, and I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed; so give heed to the message and gain understanding of the vision.
Seventy Weeks and the Messiah
24“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city[/quote]
Amen. Finally someone believes what I believe. YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR HOLY CITY. And END OF SIN.
7 plus 62 weeks you shall live in your city, even in troublesome times ( you will still be under Gentile agression and rule)
After THE 62 weeks ( or 69 weeks) Messiah will be cut off (killed)
After this.
1. City and temple destroyed by people of a prince who is to come (rome)
2. The city will be trampled until war desolations are determined (unknown time frame)
3. Future prince who is to come will confirm a covenant with MANY
4. He will place an abomination which makes desolate in the temple.
then we go to Matt 24, what happens after the abonination?
1. Great tribulation sich as has NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE AND WILL NOT BE SEEN AFTER. This did not happen in 70 AD.
2. Following tribulation. God will cut short because if he did not ALL FLESH (not all Jews) Will be destroyed if he did not put a stop to the great tribulation.
3. Christ returns.
it is easy, Just look with an open heart. and it is not dispensationalsim!
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The europe reference was to explain that war desolations could be plural in nature.
Gabriel said there would be war desolation is an undetermined time.
They said it was a single war. I used europe to prove desolations can occure in a long period of time, under different wars. thus war can be taken plural, and should not be assumed to be singular.
Gabriel said there would be war desolation is an undetermined time.
They said it was a single war. I used europe to prove desolations can occure in a long period of time, under different wars. thus war can be taken plural, and should not be assumed to be singular.
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right. After the 69 weeks.
There are only 2 choices here:
1) the 70th week directly followed the 69th as we would expect.
OR
2) Jesus was cut off after the 69 weeks but not in the 70th, so in some free-floating Time Warp hanging off the end of the 69th week (?)
Right.
Titus 70AD
and the Jewish Roman wars.
What? Future prince?
What Bible version are you reading?
Do you think it has to mean future just because it is described in a sentence AFTER the mention of Titus?
There are only 2 choices here:
1) the 70th week directly followed the 69th as we would expect.
OR
2) Jesus was cut off after the 69 weeks but not in the 70th, so in some free-floating Time Warp hanging off the end of the 69th week (?)
Right.
Titus 70AD
and the Jewish Roman wars.
What? Future prince?
What Bible version are you reading?
Do you think it has to mean future just because it is described in a sentence AFTER the mention of Titus?
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if the 70th week happened after the 69th week.
1. Why was jerusalem and the temple not destroyed with in 7 years of his death.
2. Why are there still wars and desolations today.
3. Why did the future prince not confirm a 7 year covenant, and commit the abomination within the 7 years after Jesus death.
What you call a time warp. Myself, Paul and others called a "mystery" as paul said, do not be confused by the mystery. and do not think to highly of yourself/. Blindness in part has happened to isreal until the time of the gentiles has been completed.
again. what time??
The city is still trampled in ruin today is it not? what temple sits on Holy Ground? Is it not the dome of the rock?? War desolations are still occuring are they not?
The one spoken of by daniel, You know the one who comes from the people who destroy the city and sanctuary? The "people of the prince who is to come) destroy the city. Not the prince himself/. Titus destroyed the city and sanctuary, he can not be the future prince. And it was not Christ,. he did not confirm a one week covenant with anyone, He confirmed an eternal coveant with you and I.
Gabriel gave his prophesy in order of events which would happen. He did not give aniel signs of things which would come, and then go back and forth.
1. seven and 62 weeks until messiah
2. In that time the city and streets will be rebiuilt, but in troublesome time.
3. Messiah cut off
4. People of prince who is to come destroy city (titus.
THEN,, here is what destroys your theory. Gabriel said then these things will happen/ He did not say lets go back to before titus destroyed and these things will happen.
1. THEN the prince will confirm a covenant with many
2. Then the prince will commit the abomination of desolation. while bringin an end to sacrifice and offering. (no one said the jews would be following God, they still are not. thats why they rebuilt the temple in the first place, and why they are not possessing the land, but need a covenant made to even live there.
Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
What is the cosnumation of things whihc is poured out on the desolate?? Is this not Gods wrath on the desolate spoken of by John?? Is this not the tribulation period spoken of by Christ?
1. Why was jerusalem and the temple not destroyed with in 7 years of his death.
2. Why are there still wars and desolations today.
3. Why did the future prince not confirm a 7 year covenant, and commit the abomination within the 7 years after Jesus death.
What you call a time warp. Myself, Paul and others called a "mystery" as paul said, do not be confused by the mystery. and do not think to highly of yourself/. Blindness in part has happened to isreal until the time of the gentiles has been completed.
again. what time??
The city is still trampled in ruin today is it not? what temple sits on Holy Ground? Is it not the dome of the rock?? War desolations are still occuring are they not?
The one spoken of by daniel, You know the one who comes from the people who destroy the city and sanctuary? The "people of the prince who is to come) destroy the city. Not the prince himself/. Titus destroyed the city and sanctuary, he can not be the future prince. And it was not Christ,. he did not confirm a one week covenant with anyone, He confirmed an eternal coveant with you and I.
Gabriel gave his prophesy in order of events which would happen. He did not give aniel signs of things which would come, and then go back and forth.
1. seven and 62 weeks until messiah
2. In that time the city and streets will be rebiuilt, but in troublesome time.
3. Messiah cut off
4. People of prince who is to come destroy city (titus.
THEN,, here is what destroys your theory. Gabriel said then these things will happen/ He did not say lets go back to before titus destroyed and these things will happen.
1. THEN the prince will confirm a covenant with many
2. Then the prince will commit the abomination of desolation. while bringin an end to sacrifice and offering. (no one said the jews would be following God, they still are not. thats why they rebuilt the temple in the first place, and why they are not possessing the land, but need a covenant made to even live there.
Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
What is the cosnumation of things whihc is poured out on the desolate?? Is this not Gods wrath on the desolate spoken of by John?? Is this not the tribulation period spoken of by Christ?
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Because Calvary was not about daniel and his people. Calvary was about "All nations will be blessed because of you" If calvary was just about Isreal. we have no hope of being saved!
When God removes their blindness.
Paul said they ARE blinded in part) until the times of the gentil has been fulfilled.
THEN ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED.
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
This is not calvary. Calvary had already happened. Paul spoke of a future even, NOT A PAST EVENT (CALVARY)
When God removes their blindness.
Paul said they ARE blinded in part) until the times of the gentil has been fulfilled.
THEN ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED.
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
This is not calvary. Calvary had already happened. Paul spoke of a future even, NOT A PAST EVENT (CALVARY)
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yeah it does seem like duh but obviously you don't see the irony in your statement since Matthew 24 is answering the questions about the Temple being destroyed... but I have a test in an hour so I'll just let someone else try and explain that one to you if anyone has the patience and love enough to try.
injecting your interpretation into plain words Jesus and Daniel spoke doesn't make it true...
so just to get it straight you think this is referring to some future king and not a past king?
you see I don't think those two things tie together. you just assume they do. Abomination and defying of the temple has been prophesied and fulfilled time and time again in the OT. they set up idols, not to be worshipped themself. you buy into the ANTICHRIST is a PERSON idea. I don't. There are MANY antichrists and MANY deceivers, not just one.
actually I quoted that from an article and did cite the article as well as a discussion point since I'm not a historian and haven't checked his historical facts.....
wow should I even TRY to debate such sound logic
the fact that I gave you three opinions means its not fulfilled? never knew I had the ability to makes something fulfilled or not fulfilled just by giving too many opinions on the topic.
good to know....
I don't have a time based theology. I have the eternal theology that is taught by the Holy Spirit.
Oh that people would remember the song of Moses and know what it refers to...
Deut 31
16 And the Lord said to Moses: “Behold, you will rest with your fathers; and this people will rise and play the harlot with the gods of the foreigners of the land, where they go to be among them, and they will forsake Me and break My covenant which I have made with them. 17 Then My anger shall be aroused against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide My face from them, and they shall be devoured. And many evils and troubles shall befall them, so that they will say in that day, ‘Have not these evils come upon us because our God is not among us?’ 18 And I will surely hide My face in that day because of all the evil which they have done, in that they have turned to other gods.
19 “Now therefore, write down this song for yourselves, and teach it to the children of Israel; put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for Me against the children of Israel. 20 When I have brought them to the land flowing with milk and honey, of which I swore to their fathers, and they have eaten and filled themselves and grown fat, then they will turn to other gods and serve them; and they will provoke Me and break My covenant. 21 Then it shall be, when many evils and troubles have come upon them, that this song will testify against them as a witness; for it will not be forgotten in the mouths of their descendants, for I know the inclination of their behavior today, even before I have brought them to the land of which I swore to give them.”
its in Deuteronomy 32 but the intro is worth reading if you haven't recently....
injecting your interpretation into plain words Jesus and Daniel spoke doesn't make it true...
so just to get it straight you think this is referring to some future king and not a past king?
you see I don't think those two things tie together. you just assume they do. Abomination and defying of the temple has been prophesied and fulfilled time and time again in the OT. they set up idols, not to be worshipped themself. you buy into the ANTICHRIST is a PERSON idea. I don't. There are MANY antichrists and MANY deceivers, not just one.
actually I quoted that from an article and did cite the article as well as a discussion point since I'm not a historian and haven't checked his historical facts.....
wow should I even TRY to debate such sound logic
the fact that I gave you three opinions means its not fulfilled? never knew I had the ability to makes something fulfilled or not fulfilled just by giving too many opinions on the topic.
good to know....
I don't have a time based theology. I have the eternal theology that is taught by the Holy Spirit.
Oh that people would remember the song of Moses and know what it refers to...
Deut 31
16 And the Lord said to Moses: “Behold, you will rest with your fathers; and this people will rise and play the harlot with the gods of the foreigners of the land, where they go to be among them, and they will forsake Me and break My covenant which I have made with them. 17 Then My anger shall be aroused against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide My face from them, and they shall be devoured. And many evils and troubles shall befall them, so that they will say in that day, ‘Have not these evils come upon us because our God is not among us?’ 18 And I will surely hide My face in that day because of all the evil which they have done, in that they have turned to other gods.
19 “Now therefore, write down this song for yourselves, and teach it to the children of Israel; put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for Me against the children of Israel. 20 When I have brought them to the land flowing with milk and honey, of which I swore to their fathers, and they have eaten and filled themselves and grown fat, then they will turn to other gods and serve them; and they will provoke Me and break My covenant. 21 Then it shall be, when many evils and troubles have come upon them, that this song will testify against them as a witness; for it will not be forgotten in the mouths of their descendants, for I know the inclination of their behavior today, even before I have brought them to the land of which I swore to give them.”
its in Deuteronomy 32 but the intro is worth reading if you haven't recently....
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