I would like to clarify that a wife should not go around looking to see if her husband has been looking at other women and suspect or accuse him of lusting after other women. Love does not think evil and does not operate in suspecting or exposing the sins of others. This would be a terrible thing for any married partner to be engaged in against their spouse and it violates the love of God included in the vows of the marriage. This is why we are under grace and not the law, not to condone the sin of others but to have a mindset of grace that operates by faith in the love of God to restore the guilty party and not to charge or impute the sin. I hope that is clear and balanced.
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John 4
Mathew 5
For we be with the knowledge that nothing is hidden, even our thoughts are known.
So when Yahshua the Messiah taught to even look on a woman in lust, was adultery.. we know it is because our Spirit is not hidden from Yahvah God, sure we could look good outwardly and be evil inwardly... another teaching of Yahshua the Messiah cleaning the outside does not change us within, it is through the New Covenant that we be given a New Spirit to worship Yahvah God in truth and Spirit.
It is that Spirit in me that strives to obey the 10 Commandments knowing that Yahvah God put into 10 Commandments, a guide to living in obedience to him.
Why the Sabbath seems to be debated so much, i know not.
I share what i feel and do, and if it be contrary then so be it.
I feel no conviction from people telling me Sabbath Keeping is not required...
Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
Mathew 5
For we be with the knowledge that nothing is hidden, even our thoughts are known.
So when Yahshua the Messiah taught to even look on a woman in lust, was adultery.. we know it is because our Spirit is not hidden from Yahvah God, sure we could look good outwardly and be evil inwardly... another teaching of Yahshua the Messiah cleaning the outside does not change us within, it is through the New Covenant that we be given a New Spirit to worship Yahvah God in truth and Spirit.
It is that Spirit in me that strives to obey the 10 Commandments knowing that Yahvah God put into 10 Commandments, a guide to living in obedience to him.
Why the Sabbath seems to be debated so much, i know not.
I share what i feel and do, and if it be contrary then so be it.
I feel no conviction from people telling me Sabbath Keeping is not required...
Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
Good post Red33.
It is truly only the Holy Spirit who can convict our hearts of when we do not follow the higher/purer words of Christ than the written law of the Ten Commandments. As no one ever perfectly obeyed those commands, no one by looking to literal commands/laws will ever succeeed in obediance to them
I believe Christ was also showing us that in ourselves we have not a hope of living according to his teachings, for as he said. 'Apart from me you cannot do a thing.' The Spirit convicts us of sin, and leads us to look to Christ, knowing that the law/commandments cannot condemn us as Christ paid the price of our failings at calvary. It is only when we are secure in that knowledge and security that we can live far closer(though never perfectly) according to the good and Holy laws of God he would have us keep.
For surely if we believe faliure to obey the ten commendments leads to death/hell then we give sin a mighty foothold in our lives, for it then can use the good and Holy laws of God to condemn us, but in Christ we are free.
For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace
Rom6:14
It is truly only the Holy Spirit who can convict our hearts of when we do not follow the higher/purer words of Christ than the written law of the Ten Commandments. As no one ever perfectly obeyed those commands, no one by looking to literal commands/laws will ever succeeed in obediance to them
I believe Christ was also showing us that in ourselves we have not a hope of living according to his teachings, for as he said. 'Apart from me you cannot do a thing.' The Spirit convicts us of sin, and leads us to look to Christ, knowing that the law/commandments cannot condemn us as Christ paid the price of our failings at calvary. It is only when we are secure in that knowledge and security that we can live far closer(though never perfectly) according to the good and Holy laws of God he would have us keep.
For surely if we believe faliure to obey the ten commendments leads to death/hell then we give sin a mighty foothold in our lives, for it then can use the good and Holy laws of God to condemn us, but in Christ we are free.
For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace
Rom6:14
It is one thing to be a law unto oneself in having the truth inscribed on the tablet of the heart, and it is a totally different thing to create ones own rules and regulations and attempting to impose them on others.
I confess, I am under grace, the grace of the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh. In so being I do have a commandment to obey, and that is the commandment to hear Yeshua and obey what He teaches. If fault is found in this, then I am afraid the fault finder is terribly misinformed and unlearned of Yahweh. If anyone can twist this to mean I am not living in grace, that one is simply reprobate in thinking.
I confess, I am under grace, the grace of the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh. In so being I do have a commandment to obey, and that is the commandment to hear Yeshua and obey what He teaches. If fault is found in this, then I am afraid the fault finder is terribly misinformed and unlearned of Yahweh. If anyone can twist this to mean I am not living in grace, that one is simply reprobate in thinking.
If the Sabbath is to be kept, is it to be kept by all believers in Yeshua or just the Jewish believers? What do you say to those believers who have entered into God's rest through His Son (Mt 11:28-30, Heb 4:9-11) and live their life unto the Lord of the Sabbath? They may even do work on the Sabbath by plucking corn or feeding their farm animals and cleaning up after their mess. They may even prepare food on the Sabbath to feed their family or have to work at the local convenient store to pick up some extra money to make ends meet. To these the Sabbath is not only to be remembered but is a life of rest to be lived in Christ.
They are resting in the promises of God by faith. They are resting in God's provisions for them that provides them with all things that pertain to life and godliness (2Pt 1:1-4). They walk by faith in the promises of God and rest in and keep themselves in His love (Zeph 3:17, Jude 21) and have access to the manifold grace of God by that faith Rom 5:1,2). They have no conviction from God to keep the Sabbath as you do living under the dictate of its precept because they freely live in Christ and understand that the liberty of the Sabbath-rest was made for man and not man for the Sabbath (Mk 2:27,28).
They are resting in the promises of God by faith. They are resting in God's provisions for them that provides them with all things that pertain to life and godliness (2Pt 1:1-4). They walk by faith in the promises of God and rest in and keep themselves in His love (Zeph 3:17, Jude 21) and have access to the manifold grace of God by that faith Rom 5:1,2). They have no conviction from God to keep the Sabbath as you do living under the dictate of its precept because they freely live in Christ and understand that the liberty of the Sabbath-rest was made for man and not man for the Sabbath (Mk 2:27,28).
Do what you can the day before and take a rest.
If my sons want food and drink it is good for me to give it to him on Sabbath...
I also get them dressed on Sabbath....
But the washing of their clothes can wait for another day, and i'll buy provisions to see us through the Sabbath so i do not need to buy.
Will add tho, my husband does not observe Sabbath.... and no one in my family does either....
Minimal = more rest.
Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
If my sons want food and drink it is good for me to give it to him on Sabbath...
I also get them dressed on Sabbath....
But the washing of their clothes can wait for another day, and i'll buy provisions to see us through the Sabbath so i do not need to buy.
Will add tho, my husband does not observe Sabbath.... and no one in my family does either....
Minimal = more rest.
Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
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If we love God inwardly it will be shown by leading others to the Lord Jesus Christ and His mercy.
It will not be shown by leading others to the Law or teaching others how to keep the Law.
Galatians 3:23-29
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
If God is our Sabbath it will be shown by resting from our own works of righteousness and trusting in His Son and His Sacrifice for us, sinners.
It will not be shown by leading others to the Law or teaching others how to keep the Law.
Galatians 3:23-29
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
If God is our Sabbath it will be shown by resting from our own works of righteousness and trusting in His Son and His Sacrifice for us, sinners.
H
Incorrecr, if the laws are now written on our hearts, we no longer need the written law. Just as you highlighted above...8) And when he is come, he will reprove (convict) the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: When we aare under the law, the law convicts us of sin, as Paul said, he wouldn't have known what sin was if not for the law. Now the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin because the laws are on our hearts and in our minds... thus, no need for the written law.
H
So why is it that you can say that it is by faith that we keep His commandments, but you can't believe that God is capable of leading us directly through the spirit? Why is He incapable of writting His laws on our hearts and in our minds without us studying the written law? Why does Paul contradict what you believe in every book he has written? Why is Jesus not capable of being the DIRECT HEAD of His Church?
I will tell you that He is capable of all I questioned above, and Paul thought so as well. He is my master... not the written law!
I will tell you that He is capable of all I questioned above, and Paul thought so as well. He is my master... not the written law!
I don’t see how such simple things that God teaches should be anything for us humans to toss around! And you all have bibles to read it in, I’m not going to paste your bible in here.
You can’t possible make yourselves holy for living with God forever by what you do. There is no scripture anywhere OT or NT or new covenant or old covenant that says so. You can call it living under grace, New covenant, or label it anyway you want, this is simply so. We are saved through Christ, called the blood of Christ. The Old used a symbol of that blood instead of what happened in the gospels, but this blood has always been so.
I think we can all agree on that, so that part is done, almost all of us here have been saved through Christ, and we can say it another way by saying we are under grace not law. Done. Over and Out. We are in the family.
Now what about the law? We are a baby in the family of God, included in that family. Will our Father raise us without any instruction? He has us as His son, but there will be instructions all along. He isn’t going to say, even, that you know about your inheritance in your heart so I don’t have to say anything to you. Our Father wrote those instructions in a book, and our Father says we are to read them and listen. We are given the HS, or a good inheritance through our rebirth into the family of God, but our Father is going to add to that with words of instruction that we can call law if we want.
Some of our brothers and sisters can give us rules they make up (like the Jews did for the gentiles) and call it law. It is our Father we are to listen to.
You can’t possible make yourselves holy for living with God forever by what you do. There is no scripture anywhere OT or NT or new covenant or old covenant that says so. You can call it living under grace, New covenant, or label it anyway you want, this is simply so. We are saved through Christ, called the blood of Christ. The Old used a symbol of that blood instead of what happened in the gospels, but this blood has always been so.
I think we can all agree on that, so that part is done, almost all of us here have been saved through Christ, and we can say it another way by saying we are under grace not law. Done. Over and Out. We are in the family.
Now what about the law? We are a baby in the family of God, included in that family. Will our Father raise us without any instruction? He has us as His son, but there will be instructions all along. He isn’t going to say, even, that you know about your inheritance in your heart so I don’t have to say anything to you. Our Father wrote those instructions in a book, and our Father says we are to read them and listen. We are given the HS, or a good inheritance through our rebirth into the family of God, but our Father is going to add to that with words of instruction that we can call law if we want.
Some of our brothers and sisters can give us rules they make up (like the Jews did for the gentiles) and call it law. It is our Father we are to listen to.
L
So you trust your feelings rather than the word of God?
2 Timothy 2:15
(15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
What does God want us to study? It is the word of God, the Bible that we are to study.
John 16:13
(13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Why should we study when the Holy Spirit convicts of sin and leads into all truth? That is your reasoning. By your reasoning you throw out the need for the written Law then by the same reasoning you can also throw out the need for the Bible.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
(16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
(17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Romans 7:7
(7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Paul is referring to the written Law. As followers of Christ He wants us to study His word which includes the written Law and as we study the Holy Spirit will open our understanding if we have a willingness.
John 7:17
(17) If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
If you read Exodus carefully you will see the Law and the gospel. First God gave the Law, then God gave the sanctuary which teaches the plan of salvation. The sanctuary teaches about Christ. The Law and the gospel is all through the OT.
2 Timothy 2:15
(15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
What does God want us to study? It is the word of God, the Bible that we are to study.
John 16:13
(13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Why should we study when the Holy Spirit convicts of sin and leads into all truth? That is your reasoning. By your reasoning you throw out the need for the written Law then by the same reasoning you can also throw out the need for the Bible.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
(16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
(17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Romans 7:7
(7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Paul is referring to the written Law. As followers of Christ He wants us to study His word which includes the written Law and as we study the Holy Spirit will open our understanding if we have a willingness.
John 7:17
(17) If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
If you read Exodus carefully you will see the Law and the gospel. First God gave the Law, then God gave the sanctuary which teaches the plan of salvation. The sanctuary teaches about Christ. The Law and the gospel is all through the OT.
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I have often found the best way to disern truth in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh. 
Is the scripture where it says, God is not a God of confusion.
This tells us that anything that brings confusion, cannot be from God.
Let the truth be made perfect in all we debate and discuss in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
God bless
pickles
Is the scripture where it says, God is not a God of confusion.
This tells us that anything that brings confusion, cannot be from God.
Let the truth be made perfect in all we debate and discuss in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
God bless
pickles
That is good and right and after He fulfilled it, He expects us to fulfill it ONLY through abiding in Him and letting His words abide in us. To love thy neighbor we abide in Christ and let the Hoy Spirit teach how we do that with our neighbor in the circumstances of life. Let's say you have a neighbor that gets upset with your cats that keep making a mess in their flowers. You communicate with them that if it happens again to call you and you'll take care of it or just throw some water at them and give you a call. Instead of doing that they get upset and in front of others scream at you and says things to embarrass you in front of others.
How do you love your neighbor in this case. Perhaps the Holy Spirit would lead you to not say a thing in retaliation or in your own defense and just keep quiet and keep your cats i for awhile. Perhaps the Spirit would wait for an opportunity where you could bless them in the details of life and in a way that they were not expecting or could resist. Perhaps God would tell you keep turning the other cheek until it becomes a time to stop turning it and speak up in wisdom. There are number of things that God could lead us to do without reacting and getting involved in the flesh so that we could love our neighbor as ourself. You may not see the fruit of it for years down the road and have to wait through longsuffering.
How do you love your neighbor in this case. Perhaps the Holy Spirit would lead you to not say a thing in retaliation or in your own defense and just keep quiet and keep your cats i for awhile. Perhaps the Spirit would wait for an opportunity where you could bless them in the details of life and in a way that they were not expecting or could resist. Perhaps God would tell you keep turning the other cheek until it becomes a time to stop turning it and speak up in wisdom. There are number of things that God could lead us to do without reacting and getting involved in the flesh so that we could love our neighbor as ourself. You may not see the fruit of it for years down the road and have to wait through longsuffering.