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Re: How do 'predestination' & 'free will' tie into 'You do NOT die until God says so
LOVE indeed!
This is Jesus (Son of) God who took on (added to Himself) human nature (Son of Man), asking if He could avoid bearing the wrath of God for every sin ever committed, by every man, ever.
He knew He wouldn't...that is what He came for.
This was Jesus, the Man. The Sinless Man about to endure unimaginable wrath. In our place.
Isaiah 53:4-5
Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
Isaiah 53:10
But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering
Philippians 2:8
Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Romans 5:19
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Hebrews 12:2
Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Matt 26:39
39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
I am sure that you guys have seen this verse of course, I think He said this out of sorrow, had he known about predestination this would have never been said. Or, it could be argued for predestination in the sense that He knows that He has to go through with it, or else. To me, it means that he asked the Father if it is possible to change His will for a second, then Jesus' realizing that this is or would be selfish and out of Jesus' love for us corrected Himself. And, If you throw free will into the equation then, what the verse equals is love, John 3:16.
39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
I am sure that you guys have seen this verse of course, I think He said this out of sorrow, had he known about predestination this would have never been said. Or, it could be argued for predestination in the sense that He knows that He has to go through with it, or else. To me, it means that he asked the Father if it is possible to change His will for a second, then Jesus' realizing that this is or would be selfish and out of Jesus' love for us corrected Himself. And, If you throw free will into the equation then, what the verse equals is love, John 3:16.
This is Jesus (Son of) God who took on (added to Himself) human nature (Son of Man), asking if He could avoid bearing the wrath of God for every sin ever committed, by every man, ever.
He knew He wouldn't...that is what He came for.
This was Jesus, the Man. The Sinless Man about to endure unimaginable wrath. In our place.
Isaiah 53:4-5
Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
Isaiah 53:10
But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering
Philippians 2:8
Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Romans 5:19
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Hebrews 12:2
Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
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