Sabbath: The Lord's Day

[cenallen]

I don't think these Sunday worshippers know what sin is?

Let's look at the definition of sin

What is sin?

1 John 3:4 (KJV)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Now Sunday worshippers what law is John speaking of?

you follow Moses.
and you rely on a Covenant that no longer exists.
good luck with that.

CURSED! you think you equal JESUS????

Romans 3 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

Acts 13 39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

James 2 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Galatians 3 10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

 

[Abishai]

You worship another Jesus it's that simple

2 Corinthians 11:4 (KJV)
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him .

Listen to the words of Jesus

Luke 24:25 (KJV)
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Job's comforters were best at what you are doing and you know the result: not that they had said anything wrong but they passed their wrong judgment on a wrong person at a wrong time. Your judgment won't deter me from defending the faith that I've received from my God through my Lord Jesus Christ by His Spirit, confirmed in His word (the KJV Bible). My only fear is that you are judging your brother (because you called me so, or you didn't really mean it) before the final judgment of our Lord Jesus Christ before whom we all must stand to give account of our deeds; whether good or evil.
You don't know me nor my life which is hidden in Christ Jesus. You don't have anything to defend except these judgmental words which pertain to God alone.
But I'll pray for you and I am sure you'll do the same for me. God bless you and your family with abundant life and peace.

ps: please remember the wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God

 

[cenallen]

Read the bible

i do.
your nonsense isn't in it.
perhaps you should be circumcised and celebrate purim.
perhaps The Lord will mistake you for a jew, and....oh. right.

unless they repent of their dead works and are born again by faith in Christ they're not inheriting the kingdom.

but in the meantime you can act cool and religious and say to God "I have kept all the commandments since my youth. I lack nothing"

i wonder what He'll say?

goodbye.

 

[TheAristocat]

The ceremonial laws did not stand alone as the covenant. If you don't understand what the covenant from Mount Sinai actually was, then you are bound to error when you read Galatians 4:21-31 until you know what it was.

What was the covenant from Mount Sinai ACCORDING TO scripture?

Read the context of the scripture below and notice that Moses was on Mount Sinai when receiving the tablets of the covenant, which were the 10 commandments.

Deu 9:11 "And it came to pass, at the end of forty days and forty nights, [that] the LORD gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.

No need for me to explain anything here. The scriptures say it all.

Now read Galatians 4:21-31 and take in what it says about the covenant from Mount Sinai now that you understand what it is.

I just want to add something to this. God exiled Israel from the land they were living in for 70 years - each Sabbath year that they had neglected to obey. The Sabbath years aren't in the Ten Commandments I don't believe. Anyway, I'm just throwing that out there, and I don't mean a lot by it. Something to think about.

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

Who told you this ?

The same laws he gave israel in the OC is the same laws in the NC

What does Galatians 4 have to do with the sabbath an commandments
OC and NC?


Go back and read the NC he kept the same laws and made the covenant with the same people

The Bible told me this. Galatians 4 has everything to do with the 10 commandments.

The scriptures show that the covenant from Sinai is the 10 commandments.

Exd 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

That's pretty significant when the New Covenant says to throw out the covenant from Sinai (Galatians 4:21-31)

Jesus kept and taught the OC, while establishing the NC. You don't know the difference between the OC and NC according to scripture, which is why Galatians 4 is so confusing for you.

 

[TheAristocat]

Loa,

The scriptures say that the covenant is the 10 commandments.

Exd 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

So, now that you understand that the words of the covenant are actually the 10 commandments, read through Galatians 4:21-31 , and learn what you are supposed to do with that covenant from Sinai- the 10 commandments.

That's an interesting verse, but the context just before it seems to say that there was more to the covenant that was written down than was written on the stone tablets (and perhaps more than the Ten Commandments written on the stone tablets, depending on the grammar). Consider, for example verses 17-26 which I believe are key in interpreting the following underlined phrase:

Exodus 34:27-28 Adonai said to Moshe, “Write these words down, because they are the terms of the covenant I have made with you and with Isra’el.” Moshe was there with Adonai forty days and forty nights, during which time he neither ate food nor drank water. [Adonai] wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Words.

The phrase Adonai wrote is translated as such, because some people believe the pronoun refers to God - not Moses, and it was therefore God who wrote on the tablets of stone. And if it were Moses in this passage then there would be a possible contradiction elsewhere in the Bible. So Moses wrote down at least some of the terms of the covenant, but God wrote on the tablets of stone. And the terms of the covenant seem to be the commands preceding the Ten Commandments as well.

Let's consider some versions of Exodus 24:12:

Exodus 24:12 (CJB) Adonai said to Moshe, “Come up to me on the mountain, and stay there. I will give you the stone tablets with the Torah and the mitzvot I have written on them, so that you can teach them.”

Exodus 24:12 (NLT) Then the Lord said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain. Stay there, and I will give you the tablets of stone on which I have inscribed the instructions and commands so you can teach the people.”

Of course other translations don't imply as much, but all of the other translations seem to say that God was at least giving Moses more than the Ten Commandments. And of course we have the above translations which say that God inscribed more than the Ten Commandments on the tablets of stone.

This is something that I've been wondering about, and thankfully I've finally had the motivation to research it a bit. One of the things that had made me think twice about it is that people have their traditions, and I had always heard about the Ten Commandments and only seen them illustrated on the tablets of stone. I became curious if that was so. Another thing that made me curious was that the stone tablets could have been rather large if they were placed in the Ark of the Covenant. One source has the Ark of the Covenant being 2.25 feet in width and 3.75 feet in length. Those can be some pretty hefty stone tablets. And I'm sure that if God were writing both the commandments and the mitzvot (other regulations) down, he could write as small as he wanted. To me, it just seemed kind of weird if 1. the tablets were fairly small in comparison to the ark and 2. if they were large that there could be so much space to fill on them.

 

[TheAristocat]

The Bible told me this. Galatians 4 has everything to do with the 10 commandments.

The scriptures show that the covenant from Sinai is the 10 commandments.

Exd 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

That's pretty significant when the New Covenant says to throw out the covenant from Sinai (Galatians 4:21-31)

Jesus kept and taught the OC, while establishing the NC. You don't know the difference between the OC and NC according to scripture, which is why Galatians 4 is so confusing for you.

Here's an image of a tablet of stone from ancient times:

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

Awesome food for thought, Aristocat!

Obviously the Book of the Covenant was commanded by God and also involved the covenant. Maybe that's what was also written on the tablet that remained in the ark. Just not sure if all that writing could fit on one stone.

 

[LawofLove]

Awesome food for thought, Aristocat!

Obviously the Book of the Covenant was commanded by God and also involved the covenant. Maybe that's what was also written on the tablet that remained in the ark. Just not sure if all that writing could fit on one stone.

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

See the book of Moses is not the same as the tablets of stone notice they put the book on the side of the ark.

Notice the 10 commandments are in side the ark not out side like the book that Moses wrote. And the tables are the work of God not Moses as far as who wrote them that is. But the others are the work of Moses.

Exo 25:21 Put the two stone tablets inside the Box and put the lid on top of it.(GNB)

Exo 32:15 And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written.
Exo 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.


Now if you would of took the time to study this you would not have to guess.

 

[cenallen]

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

See the book of Moses is not the same as the tablets of stone notice they put the book on the side of the ark.

Notice the 10 commandments are in side the ark not out side like the book that Moses wrote. And the tables are the work of God not Moses as far as who wrote them that is. But the others are the work of Moses.

Exo 25:21 Put the two stone tablets inside the Box and put the lid on top of it.(GNB)

Exo 32:15 And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written.
Exo 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.


Now if you would of took the time to study this you would not have to guess.

"The Bible itself does not use the word moral to distinguish the Ten Commandments from the rest of the law. In fact it nowhere gives us a formula to distinguish which parts of the whole law are moral and which parts are ceremonial. At one time a Sabbatarian sect presented studies to show that the moral law was placed in the ark, while the book of the ceremonial law was placed in the side of the ark. This argument failed because any thoughtful person could see that the book of the law contained "moral" precepts as enduring as the Ten Commandments...."


Sabbatarianism Re-Examined - What You Should Know

 

[angelofmercy]

"The Bible itself does not use the word moral to distinguish the Ten Commandments from the rest of the law. In fact it nowhere gives us a formula to distinguish which parts of the whole law are moral and which parts are ceremonial. At one time a Sabbatarian sect presented studies to show that the moral law was placed in the ark, while the book of the ceremonial law was placed in the side of the ark. This argument failed because any thoughtful person could see that the book of the law contained "moral" precepts as enduring as the Ten Commandments...."


Sabbatarianism Re-Examined - What You Should Know

Like what? Please name something "just as moral" that was placed on the side of the Ark.

Remember beloved for that which was place on the side, God is NOT a man.

 

[meecha]

"The Bible itself does not use the word moral to distinguish the Ten Commandments from the rest of the law. In fact it nowhere gives us a formula to distinguish which parts of the whole law are moral and which parts are ceremonial. At one time a Sabbatarian sect presented studies to show that the moral law was placed in the ark, while the book of the ceremonial law was placed in the side of the ark. This argument failed because any thoughtful person could see that the book of the law contained "moral" precepts as enduring as the Ten Commandments...."


Sabbatarianism Re-Examined - What You Should Know

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Sabbatarianism Re-Examined - What You Should Know

read this the other night...excellent rebuttal of the SDA nonsense. My only dissapointment was that he didn't discuss the meaning of the Lord's Day in Rev 1 but really good nontheless. Thanks for that.

 

[cenallen]

Like what? Please name something "just as moral" that was placed on the side of the Ark.

Remember beloved for that which was place on the side, God is NOT a man.

God most assuredly is a MAN.
meet Jesus Christ, the GodMan.

 

[cenallen]

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Sabbatarianism Re-Examined - What You Should Know

read this the other night...excellent rebuttal of the SDA nonsense. My only dissapointment was that he didn't discuss the meaning of the Lord's Day in Rev 1 but really good nontheless. Thanks for that.

hey you're welcome. worth the read for certain. i wish all would be blessed by it.
he's to be commended for his faithfulness.
a good servant indeed, in that he remains to minister to those he loves, the SDAs in bondage.
he doesn't hold back from the rest of us either, which is good teaching.
yes, amazingly, i was admittedly disappointed at the same point (The Lord's Day)!
God bless, meecha.

 

[cenallen]

Like what? Please name something "just as moral" that was placed on the side of the Ark.

Remember beloved for that which was place on the side, God is NOT a man.

i would refer you to this brother, as he has understood where we find the commandments of Jesus for His people:

Spiritual_Plague

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

See the book of Moses is not the same as the tablets of stone notice they put the book on the side of the ark.

Notice the 10 commandments are in side the ark not out side like the book that Moses wrote. And the tables are the work of God not Moses as far as who wrote them that is. But the others are the work of Moses.

Exo 25:21 Put the two stone tablets inside the Box and put the lid on top of it.(GNB)

Exo 32:15 And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written.
Exo 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.


Now if you would of took the time to study this you would not have to guess.

Read post #426 from Aristocat. That's where my thoughts came from. I've studied what you are talking about, but not what Aristocat was talking about, and he makes valid points about it with scripture.

The things he brought up from scripture don't contract that there was a book and tablets, he just points out from scripture that the tablets possibly could have contained all that was in the book of the covenant as well.

 

[TheAristocat]

Read post #426 from Aristocat. That's where my thoughts came from. I've studied what you are talking about, but not what Aristocat was talking about, and he makes valid points about it with scripture.

The things he brought up from scripture don't contract that there was a book and tablets, he just points out from scripture that the tablets possibly could have contained all that was in the book of the covenant as well.

Yes, I think my point was largely that there was more written on the tablets, but I shouldn't neglect to mention that while God wrote on the tablets he also ordered Moses to write all of his words down. So what we might be looking at are two copies... a "book" written by Moses (if that was the form of Moses' writings) and the two tablets written by God.

So what I'm seeing is that both mediums contained the entirety of God's Torah.

 

[LawofLove]

Read post #426 from Aristocat. That's where my thoughts came from. I've studied what you are talking about, but not what Aristocat was talking about, and he makes valid points about it with scripture.

The things he brought up from scripture don't contract that there was a book and tablets, he just points out from scripture that the tablets possibly could have contained all that was in the book of the covenant as well.

I know what he was saying. My point is Moses wrote the book ex 24:4. God wrote the other then Moses went up to get the 10 commandments and ex32:16 that's after he wrote the book. He broke them and then God a second time wrote them again ex 34:1.

 

[LawofLove]

"The Bible itself does not use the word moral to distinguish the Ten Commandments from the rest of the law. In fact it nowhere gives us a formula to distinguish which parts of the whole law are moral and which parts are ceremonial. At one time a Sabbatarian sect presented studies to show that the moral law was placed in the ark, while the book of the ceremonial law was placed in the side of the ark. This argument failed because any thoughtful person could see that the book of the law contained "moral" precepts as enduring as the Ten Commandments...."


Sabbatarianism Re-Examined - What You Should Know

That dos not help your argument if some of the them where based off the 10 commandments that still dos not do away with the 10 it just shows you can do with out Moses's written "ceremonial" laws. And Just because I call them ceremonial laws or moral laws dos not means that those names have to be in the bible. You believe in the trinity right? That word trinity is not in the bible, with a basic study of the bible anyone can see 3 persons of the God head. therefor same thing applies with the names i use. I guess you would call it a educated observation.
I did not learn it from some web site that's for sure. I wish they had a site for ex-what ever you are it might do you some good.

 

[ozell]

you follow Moses.
and you rely on a Covenant that no longer exists.
good luck with that.

CURSED! you think you equal JESUS????

Romans 3 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

Acts 13 39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

James 2 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Galatians 3 10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

C

Where are you getting your doctrine from?

Let's read who Moses followed

Exodus 20:1-2 (KJV)
And God spake all these words, saying, [2] I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Who is doing the talking Moses or Jesus?

1 Corinthians 10:1-4 (KJV)
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; [2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; [3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat; [4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

It was Jesus in the cloud and fire leading Israel.