Sabbath: The Lord's Day

[JaumeJ]

Please stop using the term "Jew" or "Flesh Jew" as if it is something derogative. The greatest Jew of all is Yeshua, Jesus Christ, the Savior of all who believe.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

 

[cenallen]

Please stop using the term "Jew" or "Flesh Jew" as if it is something derogative. The greatest Jew of all is Yeshua, Jesus Christ, the Savior of all who believe.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

JaumeJ, does making a claim to be jewish avail a man anything?
not to mention, making a false claim to be jewish?

no, neither.

 

[xino]

please watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rIWf0sh2V8&feature=plcp <--
now I want people to compare what this man says with this:
Hebrews 4:1

A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God

4 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.[a] 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

&#8220;So I declared on oath in my anger,
&#8216;They shall never enter my rest.&#8217;&#8221;
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: &#8220;On the seventh day God rested from all his works.&#8221;[c] 5 And again in the passage above he says, &#8220;They shall never enter my rest.&#8221;

6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it &#8220;Today.&#8221; This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

&#8220;Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.&#8221;[d]
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God&#8217;s rest also rests from their works,[e] just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

so how can Jesus be angry at people who worship him on Sunday?

and people please don't start with that garbage that "it doesn't line up with the scripture/bible" because I don't want to hear that trash.

Now for people who are serious and interested in bible meat and not bible milk.
The Pharisees tried to judge Jesus about him healing on Sabbath day and not washing hands on Sabbath.


So what do we have to do man?
*truly FOLLOW the sabbath day and keep it holy like it says in the old testament and new testament?
* Hebrews 4 saying any day for us can be sabbath day because it is the lord's day. Therefore whatever day we are free, we turn it into our sabbath?
*eve though we work on Sabbath day, do we have to love/do good on sabbath day? because even though Jesus worked on Sabbath, he was healing. And said is it wrong to heal someone on sabbath?

 

[ozell]

We worship on Sunday for one simple reason. It made it easier for pagans to accept it in ancient times. It also stopped them from worshiping false gods on Sunday. Let's not forget, the whole process of Christmas with giving gifts and such comes from winter solstice, another pagan holiday. Jesus wasn't born in December. Let's also not forget, the current calendar is incorrect. We are not in 2012, but years ahead. You can name off any number of things that are wrong, but does it truly matter, if you are worshiping God for the right reasons? No.

What did God tell you to do?

Sunday is the worship of the sun God

Who told you to worship on Sunday?

Does that individual supersedes Jesus words?

 

[ozell]

I gave you 3 scriptures on the matter.

Besides believing that every man who desires eternal life must be circumcised in their flesh, apparently you also believe that animal sacrifices by a levitical priest will atone for sin as well. Gotta love the 7th month on the 10th day, ya? What a special day for the Jews where their sins can be atoned for without Jesus.

Are you actually a Jew that practices the Mosaic law that hasn't accepted Jesus Christ as their savior and are trying to distort the teachings of the New Covenant that God provided through Jesus Christ?

What you gave me was scriptures with the word circumcision in it


Show me where God rescinded his laws ?

It's only one he took away and it is animal sacrifice

No I'm not a Jew

I'm a bible Chrisitan

 

[ozell]

Sin is only in children of the flesh. But those who are in Christ have passed from death to life.

Now I ask again, whether of your pride or your knowledge; is it good thing to worship God on any day of the week?

Let's read the word of God because my knowledge and understanding makes you emotional

Let's read what say the Lord told you to keep holy

Exodus 20:8,10 (KJV)
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Notice what missing

Day 1 to 6

You worship God in vain

 

[ozell]

With all due respect, either you don't understand my question or you are just trying avoid it by showing again vague verses.

First thing is that the Synagogue belongs to the Jews and NOT to the Gentiles, so it is the Jews who decided to meet during the Sabbaths. The gentiles had no option but to come on Sabbath if they wanted to hear about the God of the Jews. If I ask you to meet me on Sunday to discuss about the word of God, does it mean that you have kept the Sabbath on Sunday? That is how you are trying to interpret the quoted verse. Paul and Barnabas were again supposed to meet on the following Sabbath and that's it. There is no mention of keeping of Sabbath here.

My question: ONE VERSE OF DIRECT INSTRUCTION for keeping sabbath in the NT TO THE GENTILES please......

Brother

When did the option change

The Israelites kept the sabbath before Jesus came in the flesh
They kept the sabbath when Jesus came in the flesh and they kept the
Sabbath after Jesus died and rose

Now the Gentiles came in to the church on the sabbath


There is no option it's God way,

Your understanding is limited to denominational doctrine and not the word of God

Your opinion don't matter the Gentiles went to church on the sabbath whether you like it or not

 

[ozell]

You need to read it again and again and again. Go word by word in these verses and tell me which sentences tell you to keep the sabbath.
If gathering together to pray on a certain day means a sabbath day to you, then lo here we are, we gather together everyday and if sabbath is everyday for us, then so be it, AMEN

No matter how many times you put, it will still show that you have put irrelevant verse there which does not show that the gentiles kept the sabbath exclusively. You will find sabbath in the NT when it pertains to the Jews.

Brother

What would you do in a church or synagogue on the sabbath day?

Let's read what we are suppose to do on the sabbath day in a synagogue

Luke 4:16-20 (KJV)
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. [17] And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, [18] The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. [20] And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

The God you say you serve went into the synagogue on the sabbath and read

Notice not on the 1st day of the week

 

[ozell]

Now let's read where Paul taught the Gentules in the sabbath by reading the scriptures

Acts 17:1-3 (KJV)
Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: [2] And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, [3] Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Who are these people Paul taught

Gentiles and Jews

Brother learn this bible and quit believing in someone's interpretation

 

[ozell]

Exactly. This is what I feel about Ozell. I guess he is a Jew and not a Christian.

People

Jew is a tribe a nationality
Israel is a nation of people


Christianity is your belief, your life style

I believe in Jesus
I follow Jesus

More than anyone here

I question those who don't keep Jesus commandments whether they
Are followers of Jesus

To be a Christian one must be Christ like

Jesus NEVER went to church or a synagogue on a Sunday

NEVER

 

[ozell]

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Who is this scripture talking about?

Ishmael - born after the flesh, Isaac - born after the Spirit

Was Isaac spirit then? Did Isaac walk through closed doors?

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Were these Galatians spirits? Was Paul talking to the spirits? Were these Galatians walking through closed doors?

You are making me to laugh. Lol

I am sorry to say this but you have a very strange doctrine.

Brother you don't have a clue

I told you with the verses that God words are spirit

Are you spirit like Jesus or the angels?

No

So what is the closes way of becoming spiritual

Keeping Jesus words

Let's read again

John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Pay attention to what Jesus says here

Now in Galatians 6
How would you restore a brother who has faults

Let's use Words which he said are spirit

This same Paul said

Ephesians 4:24-29 (KJV)
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. [25] Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. [26] Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: [27] Neither give place to the devil. [28] Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. [29] Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

These words of Jesus spoken of by Paul is how a spiritual brother would help a person in Fault using Jesus words which are spirit


You don't understand the many meaning of the word spirit in the bible
See brother stop laughing and get understanding

 

[ozell]

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Who is this scripture talking about?

Ishmael - born after the flesh, Isaac - born after the Spirit

Was Isaac spirit then? Did Isaac walk through closed doors?

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Were these Galatians spirits? Was Paul talking to the spirits? Were these Galatians walking through closed doors?

You are making me to laugh. Lol

I am sorry to say this but you have a very strange doctrine.

You don't understand do you

Mark 1:22,27 (KJV)
And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes.


People read Galatians 4:22-31

We have Sarah
We have Hagar

We have the wife
We have the bondwoman

We have the law
We have the adultery

Which one is right
Which one is wrong

Who told Abraham to take this bondwoman God or his wife


Go back to Genesis a tea the story

Them come tell me what is Paul saying here in Galatians

Who is the first born
Who is the covenant with

Ishmael
Isaac

Who is the Heir?

Who is mad even today?

Let's read the bible and it will interpret itself

 

[ozell]

In Galatians 4

Who is born after the promise and why?

Who is born after the flesh?Why?

This chapter has nothing to do with taking away the law

The one born after the flesh was born because of the flesh

The one born after the promise is exude kept the commandments, laws and judgement of God


Pay attention to what you are reading and Go back and read the OT

This is how foolish these people are

They tell you the OT is done away with but they run across names like Sarah, Isaac, Hagar, Abraham
Moses , how do you know anything in the NT when you say the OT is fulfilled

This lets me know you have not the OT

People read Galatians 4 and show me where the law is no more

Tell me your understanding

 

[cenallen]

What you gave me was scriptures with the word circumcision in it


Show me where God rescinded his laws ?

It's only one he took away and it is animal sacrifice

No I'm not a Jew

I'm a bible Chrisitan

Galatians 5 2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.

Galatians 5 3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.

James 2 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

 

[angelofmercy]

Let's read the word of God because my knowledge and understanding makes you emotional

Let's read what say the Lord told you to keep holy

Exodus 20:8,10 (KJV)
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Notice what missing

Day 1 to 6

You worship God in vain

I'm not emotional beloved. And if I am, it is only because you would slay millions with "your" mind of Christ.

I asked you if it is a good thing to worship God on any day of the week. And in your pride, you refuse to answer the question. This is not an answer you can simply post a verse on, although it is as simple as a yes or no.

What you talk about, I've longed since moved on from.

 

[cenallen]

You don't understand do you

Mark 1:22,27 (KJV)
And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes.


People read Galatians 4:22-31

We have Sarah
We have Hagar

We have the wife
We have the bondwoman

We have the law
We have the adultery

Which one is right
Which one is wrong

Who told Abraham to take this bondwoman God or his wife


Go back to Genesis a tea the story

Them come tell me what is Paul saying here in Galatians

Who is the first born
Who is the covenant with

Ishmael
Isaac

Who is the Heir?

Who is mad even today?

Let's read the bible and it will interpret itself

Galatians 4 24 These two women serve as an illustration of God's two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the law that enslaved them.

 

[ozell]

Galatians 5 2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.

Galatians 5 3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.

James 2 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

C

where do it to not get circumcised?

 

[ozell]

Galatians 4 24 These two women serve as an illustration of God's two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the law that enslaved them.

Let's read

The covenant with Hagar

Hagar son will many children

Genesis 16:7-8,10-12 (KJV)
And the angel of the Lord found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur. [8] And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai. [10] And the angel of the Lord said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. [11] And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction. [12] And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Let's read the covenant with Satah

Genesis 17:15-16 (KJV)
And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be . [16] And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.

Sarah is the mother of many nations
Sarah son is the son of the covenant

 

[ozell]

I'm not emotional beloved. And if I am, it is only because you would slay millions with "your" mind of Christ.

I asked you if it is a good thing to worship God on any day of the week. And in your pride, you refuse to answer the question. This is not an answer you can simply post a verse on, although it is as simple as a yes or no.

What you talk about, I've longed since moved on from.

I put what the Lord wrote and said, this will suffice.

I don know what you moved on from

 

[ozell]

Read Galatians 4 again an read Genesis 16

Genesis 16:1-5 (KJV)
Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. [2] And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the Lord hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai. [3] And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife. [4] And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes. [5] And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the Lord judge between me and thee.

Is this relationship blessed by God or Sarah?

Genesis 17:4-8,19,21 (KJV)
As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. [5] Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. [6] And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. [7] And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. [8] And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. [19] And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. [21] But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Now who is the child of the covenant?

Who is the covenant made with and passed down to